UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, December 27, 2012

UFOs: What’s the signal and what’s the noise?

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Turner Classic Movies, recently, aired The Song of Bernadette, the story of the young girl who was visited by the vision (perhaps the Blessed Virgin Mary) at Lourdes which established the miracle spring that is aid to cure illnesses and disease.

That event – the presumed visitation by Mary, the mother of Jesus/Christ – followed by the alleged visions of Mary at Fatima was preceded by a slew of visions and appearances by supposed divine entities earlier in human history.


From time immemorial mankind has been subject to either quasi-psychotic hallucinations or intrusions into human reality by entities from another reality.

The story of the Saints is replete with visions and voices, considered by The Church (of Rome) to be authentic contact by holy beings.

Joan of Arc had visions, Moses was confronted by a burning bush, Muhammed heard voices, Joseph Smith was visited by an angel.


Jesus mother had an angelic visitation which affected her son, causing him to either hallucinate visions and sounds later in life or he, like she, actually was contacted by ethereal beings he thought was God or God’s angels.

Saint Paul had a grand psychotic episode on the road to Damascus, Ezekiel saw a divine entity in a chariot, Elias [Elijah] went up to heaven in a fiery chariot, as did Enoch [Enos] before him.


While some religious cults were started by such experiences or co-opted the instances, the manifestations were so bizarre and extraordinary that their intrinsic meaning was layered by errant human explanations and exploitations,

Did transcendental beings actually make contact with certain human beings? Or did some human beings have psychotic episodes that were painted as divine interventions, for lack of a not-yet-understood psychiatric etiology?

Paul Kimball and his friend Mac Tonnies, along with Jacques Vallee and a few other persons feel that humankind may be the brunt of contact by forces or entities trying to relay a message – a message that we are to dull to perceive correctly.

This is the same as that in he religious sphere. The divinities have proscribed behavior and messages that have been thwarted or perverted by humans.

The AmerIndian myths, the Hindu, Mayan, Aztec, Olmec, Buddhist, Sikh, Shinto have created theologies that are not only abstruse but ill-defined as precepts for human conduct.


So, let’s assume that from the religious haze that had gone before, entities or beings (ethereal or not) tried a new approach.

Since human beings have primarily thought that divinities came down from the heavens, the beings hoping to get our attention instigated appearances of flying machines, sometimes with entities aboard, to get our attention once more as happened in the formative years of mankind’s evolution.

The modern appearances of the heavenly machines or message-intended artifacts came as airships – the 1890s airships of UFO lore.


But in the absence of any cognitive resonance by those who saw or interacted with the airships, the aerial constructs went on to become flying disks or cigar shaped craft, and today they show up as triangular objects flying above, all without the kind of verbal or visual contact that occurred in the heady days of the Hebrews and other Middle East tribes.

What does this tell us?

That the messengers are incompetent, not able to conceive a cogent message that we can understand, or they are playful, even devious creations out to have fun with humankind, as they’ve been doing for all of man’s history (and prehistory): the Vallee thesis.

I get the impression that Mac Tonnies – and Paul Kimball will correct me if I’m wrong – felt the “others” were not being obtuse but proffering important messaging that we humans are still too stupid to understand – Tonnies’ Post-Human Blues as it were.

UFOs and other ethereal, evanescent beings and appearances have a meaning that is profound but we just don’t get it.

We can nail the physical aspects provided by the “others” as Paul Trent did with his now (in)famous photographs or the Hills encountered and reported eventually.

But we can’t fathom the meaning, yet, of these visitations.

The prophets of old made a stab at meaning but muddled the already muddled message.


Some contactees, as Nick Redfern understands it, also received actual messages from the “others” but these too became warped by human interpretation or, as I see it, the inherent madness (insanity) of the messages or the entities providing them – exampled by Jose Caravaca’s Distortion Theory and thoroughly exampled by him.

Yes, there is a message in the UFO phenomenon, but is it a sensible message or a devious ploy? Or is it just an imposed hallucinatory phenomenon telling us something worthwhile but still obscure.

Or is it the psychotic manifestation of an Evil omnipotence and His/Its minions toying with a creation (human beings) which evokes jealousy in this Jungian/Gnostic God who can’t create things as beautiful as that created by mankind: art, music, architecture, literature, even iPads, tablets, computers, and other things mundane but out of creative ability for this malevolent God.


Are UFOs a vibrant distraction to keep man on edge, unable to create beautiful things while contemplating this ornery phenomenon?

Or are UFOs a message that we need but can’t grasp and haven’t grasped since way back when?

You tell me…



  • What is the message in a Bach fugue, or a painting by Pollock?

    Does there have to be a particular message, along the lines of "give up your nukes," or "worship the one true God"? Maybe the whole point is much simpler, and profound - to just get us to think, and question, and imagine.

    Or maybe it's all just for our entertainment, and "theirs" - the co-creation with an audience that all artists, regardless of medium, work towards.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Paul:

    Just to think or imagine?

    There must be a purpose, or life is a total abstraction, without meaning, as the Existentialists have it.

    So far the Existentialists have been right, as best as we can tell.

    But I like to think that there is a profound meaning to our lives and some interactions (and, yes, UFOs) fir into that.

    Artists, film-makers (as yourself), and writers, composers are those endowed with the talent to find meaning in life.

    But like ufologists, science, and religious adepts, artists, too, have been befuddled by their own talents, using that talent for personal purposes rather than as a template leading to a transcendental understanding of why we're here....why humans exist.

    As you've seen in the Trent dialogue here and elsewhere, people talk around each other, all with a personal ax to grind.

    WE want to score points, to be important and relevant in society, but death sneaks up on us and we all, all!...end up being irrelevant, some leaving behind snatches of meaning, hints of profound things, (Bach's masses or Jackson Pollack's existential abstractions, for instance).

    The UFO mystery is part of the "Waiting for Godot" experience we of the modern era share.

    Just as the early Christians awaited the return of Christ, to no avail, or the Jews awaited salvation from God during the Holocaust, nothing comes to our aid.

    We are alone, without sustenance from those who've badgered us with nonsensical contact (Fatima, Lourdes, the Burning Bush, et al.) with UFOs being the latest effort to confuse us with visual stimuli that ends up being meaningless.

    The "others" of Vallee's thinking or Mac Tonnies, along with Jose Caravaca's External Agents play with us....they interact with us for their entertainment and ours as you have it, or we humans suffer from an ingrained psychosis that is evolutionary, not endowed by divinities....it's Augustine's Original Sin perhaps.

    UFOs lie at the edge of the game, while the plights of the world (wars, starvation, oppressions, et cetera) continue unabated ,as we mere mortals play around with Paul Trent's flying disk photos.

    We are a sad lot, aren't we?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • I suspect that human memory is a repository of relations, images and comparisons that are analogous to genetic memory. Potentiality in the genome that is adapted to the environment in terms of local conditions, however the nature of cellular intelligence and the nature of intention are two aspects of the same phenomenon. One is the library and the other is a reader. I suspect there is a repository for non cellular memory that has been organised by energy rather then by biochemistry although they are two sides of the same coin in relation to a shared environment. In a sense we are the artists Paul mentioned without the benefit of certainty dependent on imaginable processes of what may be. I suspect there is a plenum of shared memory that is an energetic atmosphere just as a gaseous atmosphere. Two sides again of the same coin. What is produced when conditions are right is the reader as an artist to produce hybridized manifestations not entirely solid, not entirely energetic. Science has confirmed this possibility with a number of materials. No one does this "for us" as a agent of control which is completely in opposition to the principles of the manifestation of life. Perhaps no memory is erased but all networked memory is recombination with literally billions of perspectives in this energetic plenum.
    The reader can perhaps only pull from this library what they already have which is sort of a very limited coherence. I suspect we are an bridge or isthmus between two types of "lifeforms" or if you will, two differing recombinate memories.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • The examples you cite are those of "witnesses" who interpreted the "message" in a very specific way, who for whatever personal reasons, felt they needed to act on their experiences. There might be thousands or even millions more over the millennia with similar experiences who neither reported, interpreted the experience that way (that is, took it as a "message"), nor acted on it.

    But the biggest caveat is that there is no proof these "events" and "messengers" existed outside the brains of the witnesses.

    You have to admit, though, it takes a well-developed level of self regard to believe some higher spiritual entity anointed you as a leader, when for example, what you experienced was a drunken hallucination or a psychotic episode brought on from eating ergot contaminated bread or mistakenly identified mushrooms.

    Fatima is the only case that stands out because of the multiple witnesses, but even then some who were there never saw the miraculous events others claimed to see. That grainy, blurry photo supposedly taken during the miracle looks like a solar eclipse.

    As for the young children interacting with the Virgin, there are cases of children unwittingly led by adult questioners to claim sexual abuse where none existed (the McMartin day care center case being among the most prominent). In that light, we should have at least a niggling suspicion what the children reported was actually shaped by adult questioners. Also, Lucia seems to have been the alpha dog in that little trio as well as the one to whom the Virgin spoke. Did the other two really share the experience or did they just go along with her story?

    Over time, so much myth and folklore has been built up surrounding the people and events you cite, it's impossible to tease out any truth. In the end, it's speculation and no proof of UFOs or UFOs shaping human development.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Hi Rich,

    You should know by now that I consider myself an existentialist. And I think your point about artists is only partly correct - it depends on the artist. Take filmmakers, for example. Whilst most are in it for reasons other than to enhance the human condition, especially these days, you can look to someone like Ingmar Bergman, and his films, and find a definite attempt to ask questions (and sometimes hint at answers) as to the nature of the human condition (or is that predicament?).

    Bet's just say, arguendo, that there is an advanced non-human intelligence out there, and it is trying to communicate with us. I don't think we should expect it to provide us with the "answers," anymore than a parent should be providing his or her children with the answers. What would be most logical (in a non-linear sort of way) would be to stimulate the imagination, which is what the best parents do, and then let the children find their own path. You might hope that the kids will go in a certain direction, but a good parent would never force them in that direction.

    That is the "sustenance" of which you speak. It might not be enough for most people, primarily because I think most people are lacking in imagination, but for some, it's all that's needed.

    In other words (borrowing from a Facebook post I made last night), the older I get (and therefore the closer to the grave), the more I think that all of these visions, signs and wonders throughout the ages - if there's anything to them, and I believe that there probably was / is - are designed to get us to think, not about petty little things like paying the bills, or whether we're going to get the job we want, but about the big picture. Who are we, really, and what are we making of our limited time on this mortal coil? How do we treat each other? Are we just marking time, or are we really living?

    Is God "real"? Are UFOs? Fairies? Ghosts? I have no idea, but I think they may all be signals from the same source, far beyond us, encouraging us to retain a sense of wonder about this life. But even if we created them ourselves, it's because we want to imagine that there's something more than the society of the spectacle.

    Either way, I think that's a good thing.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

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    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Paul:

    Your position is not anathema to me.

    While I wanted to accept Kierkegaard's views, I've ended up being a devotee of Sartre; we are alone (now) and responsible for our lives and moral behavior.

    But I listed the alleged divine contacts (with Jeanne d'Arc et al.) because they ended badly, all of them.

    Hildegard de Bingen died sick, as did Bernadette of Lourdes and everyone else who tried to follow the dictates of their voices and visions.

    The Jews have always been tricked by their God, until the final ignominy of the Holocaust.

    Likewise, to lesser degrees, obviously, UFO experiencers (not abductees) have also been tricked or fooled by what they've seen or experienced.

    The illusory manifestations have caused irreparable harm to anyone exposed.

    Artists (musicians, painters, writers, et al.) who've outGodded God by their creations have more often than not been brought low by early death or illnesses.

    The Gods are a jealous lot, as the Greek myths tell us.

    The "message" is that the Gods, the "others," are a malicious gaggle of the Universal creation....the Gnostic view.

    (See The Book of Job by Jung for a concise summation of that view.)

    Although I have generally eschewed the Trickster scenarios so beloved by UFO mavens, it is not far from the truth I think.

    You see a benign benevolence in the "others" -- I see a malevolence that has been either subtle or tremendously mean, never beneficent.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • You may be correct, Rich. Perhaps the mistake is to view the advanced non-human intelligence as a monolithic single entity when there may be multiple actors, all with different motivations - just like we humans.

    Still, I'm an adherent to the concept of free will, so I'm less inclined than you are to blame the "gods" for how we treat ourselves. We make our own choices, and then have to live (and often die) with them. The "gods," I think, might be providing us with a vision of a better way - a sense of wonder, and of possibilities, and the understanding that (a) we're not alone, and (b) there is more than this single life.

    That there is untold tragedy in the human story is indisputable. But even within something like the Holocaust there were examples of individuals who chose a different course. And that gives me hope.


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • As an adherent of Schopenhauer, I've always had a depressive, non-optimistic demeanor, even though I was the "class cut-up" in high school.

    You have a rosy, happy look on life.

    I'm an accumulator of Evil and rude behavior tactics, which have shown up in the UFO community statistically more than the mean should allow.

    It's warped me further.

    For me, artists (of all cultural stripes) have made humanity a divine enterprise.

    The gods are jealous, the "others" are envious; they can't create the beauty that mankind has created, and it irks them, has always irked them.

    My anthropomorphic definitions for the gods or others isn't intellectual but I do think that there is an external reality that interacts with us, and it has been mean-spirited or worse.

    You project upon them your own "sweet" nature -- I project upon them my own deep-down nasty nature I'm sad to acknowledge.

    And I have to note that my and our approach here about UFOs is philosophical rather than scientifically-oriented.

    I like what I read today at Olmos' Fotocat site about the Templeton photos, for instance.

    It's an exegesis, while the stuff here, by me mostly, is fluff or loopy conjecture.

    That's pathetic, but I blame it on the gods -- they make me do it.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Maybe that's the key - to get us to project our own selves onto them, like a blank slate, and then use that as a springboard for a journey of self-awareness.

    As for the "gods" not being able to create beauty, hard to argue with a magic hour sunset. :-)

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • P.S. You wrote:

    I have to note that my and our approach here about UFOs is philosophical rather than scientifically-oriented.

    Thank "God" for that! ;-)

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Paul:

    I'll give you that some natural beauty is magnificent: your sunset, the rings of Saturn, galaxies, ocean creatures, flowers, et cetera.

    But "artists" sit down with a camera (as you do) or a pen or paint and some brushes or staffed paper and create, ex nihilo, 2001, A Space Odyssey, Hamlet, The Birth of Venus, Ode to Joy, and so on.

    And if UFOs are mechanical creations (as experienced in in your RB-47 incident) or as Trent photographed, humans created jets, stealth bombers, helicopters, rockets (to the moon), et cetera.

    This has got to irk the "others."

    Unless, as you believe, UFOs (flying saucers) were introduced to lead us to Stealth, and other craft, for purposes s yet unknown.

    It's all quite mysterious, but shouldn't be.

    AS Charles Ives tells us with his The Unanswered Question, we ask the gods for an explanation but none is forthcoming; we become more hysterical at the silence from the "others."

    This is parodied in the UFO community: the geezers quietly try to find an answer while skeptics and rabid ET believers (Rudiak for one) get more hysterical at the unanswers, the silence.

    It's maddening, and rightfully so.

    But like Melville's Bartleby, I'm not going to get worked up (and never have) about the silence.

    Nor am I pursuing UFOs, like Ahab (as Jerry Clark noted for some UFO aficionados) in pursuit of an answer for the UFO riddle.

    It's a game and I play it quietly, as you do....eating some apple pie with ice cream and saying life is good, wihn amiable companions and a fire in the hearth.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Unless, as you believe, UFOs (flying saucers) were introduced to lead us to Stealth, and other craft, for purposes s yet unknown.

    Actually, just to be clear so that this doesn't take root and spread, I definitely don't believe this. I think that an advanced non-human intelligence has better things to do than provide us with the inspiration to make better flying machines (most of which are used to kill people).

    In the RB-47 incident, assuming that it was a real encounter with something "paranormal," there was no mechanical object sighted - rather, electronic signals, and a bright white light (but no report of a structured craft). Not quite a burning bush, but not entirely dissimilar.

    AS Charles Ives tells us with his The Unanswered Question, we ask the gods for an explanation but none is forthcoming; we become more hysterical at the silence from the "others."

    By way of reply, I leave you with the words of Saint Augustine, which I'm sure you'll appreciate:

    "God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed."


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • That Augustine...

    So perceptive for a sexual reprobate.

    (I'm Thomistic, but appreciate Aisgustine's brilliance.)

    If the "others" are represented by factions (as Genesis hints about angels), some could be trying to provoke us into developing advance aircraft -- for warfare or other purposes.

    And what if the non-human intelligence is not advanced but mentally disturbed, as a Star Trek tale once had it?

    We are far afield here, perhaps, but there is much to consider.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Being far afield is the whole point, n'est ce pas? ;-)

    You mention madness, and perhaps that's a part of it, at least "madness" to us. I've known enough artists in my life, from all disciplines (and studied many more) to realize that the best ones all have at least a hint of madness in them. They "speak" a different "language" than everyone else, and communicate in different ways. Maybe that's what the advanced non-human intelligence, aka God, is about.

    After all, wouldn't immortality drive one mad at some point?


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • P.S. If you're a Thomist, I'll add one more thing:

    Deus absconditus


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Richard Friedman (no relation to your uncle Stan I presume) details the absence of God -- The Hidden Face of God (a title also used by other authors).

    Since I see Nietzsche's "God is Dead" metaphor as something more tangible.

    God isn't hidden, but dead, actually no longer existent.

    Or is it the demiurge that is dead?

    I'm uncertain.

    At any rate, God no longer communicates with mankind, and hasn't since before Christ appeared.

    If that is so, what do UFOs represent?

    Are they leftover shards of the godhead?

    Are they impersonal artifacts without any meaning at all.

    Do they contain entities that are ethereal or tangible?

    The early reports of UFOs, as in the Ezekiel story or the ascent of Elijah, disappeared pretty much, only to resurface in the 1890s prominently, evolving into the flying disks of the 40s and 50s, the egg-shaped UFOs of the 1960s and early 70s, and now luminous blobs or triangle-shaped aircraft.

    What is the meaning.

    Or are the manifestations rafts of hallucinations, common to mankind in times of stress?

    Since the "communication(s)" of the gods, the elves, ghosts. UFOs et al. remain cryptic, what do we have?

    It's a kind of insane game, or collective mental quirk.

    Have you tried, Paul, to communicate with Mac Tonnies?

    We have, and got electronic responses that pretended to be or were from Mac, with prophetic indications of UFO deaths that turned out to be correct by time but not by individual, unless we misconstrued the contact -- which I informed Nick Redfern about.

    For me, UFOs, as I've seen a few, are real, and enigmatic.

    What they are and what they are trying to communicate remains unknown.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Have you tried, Paul, to communicate with Mac Tonnies?

    Each and every day since he passed away. Of course, the "communication" for me takes an inward aspect, as opposed to what you suggest. I mentioned it in passing at the end of my book.

    As for "God" I'm with Augustine - we'll never understand. But understanding isn't the point - I really do believe that the journey is the destination. Which brings me back to the idea that these "visions" (of whatever) are guideposts on that journey, designed not to answer questions, but to get us asking them.

    And so here you and I are, with no answers, but lots of questions.

    Mission accomplished. :-)


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • And on the subject of the "gods," you may appreciate this, from one of my previous lives:


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, December 28, 2012  

  • Interesting comments..
    I think the universe wants to know what it is and does so by comparisons through us. We consequently want to know our nature and do so through the universe. God is one of those loaded words. What is material becomes energetic. Food becomes consciousness and the energetic becomes material much like the mind, the brain and the body. I think most people are stuck in a sort of binary reality tunnel. It is material or it is not when it is both. That just might be a clue.
    I think all that we do is a mirror how the universe does what it does. More art than science. You could take apart the chemistry of paint but that is missing the big picture, the act of creating art.
    What is a space\time distinction that embodies the metaphor of a vehicle? The human vehicle and one that surpasses our own by being both material and yet immaterial as if both are a unified field. It is incommensurable to our experience, and so our own perspective becomes tangible as a visual cognition of a metaphor representing this relationship of comparisons. If we take the loaded word of God out of this, I would say magic is afoot that cannot be pinned like a bug.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, December 29, 2012  

  • We've been mourning since the gods left us. Sometimes we discern a sign of their presence, and hope and fear they have returned.



    By Blogger Don, at Saturday, December 29, 2012  

  • b"h

    Thus saith the omniscient Prophet Reynolds:

    "God no longer communicates with mankind, and hasn't since before Christ appeared."

    My experience, after leaving naturalism, is in sharp contrast to your assertion.

    By Blogger hetz barrur, at Monday, December 31, 2012  

  • A neurological intrusion hetz barrur?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 31, 2012  

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