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Saturday, February 18, 2012

Anti-Semitic Socorro?

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One of our readers discovered a United Press article [4/20/64] about the Socorro sighting which you can read by clicking on the link here:

From UFO Digest

In that article, the false Socorro symbol is proffered:


This is the symbol that Hynek, the Air Force, and Ray Stanford tried to foist off on the public and media as the insignia that Lonnie Zamora saw.

Their contrived insignia didn’t fly as ufologists and researchers subsequently discovered the original drawing that Officer Zamora provided:


But there is an interesting aspect of the concocted, fake insignia:


The contrived symbol resembles an image used by anti-Semitics, as in the cover for the despicable Protocols of Zion:


Why did they select and promote use of the Zion symbol they wanted the public to see as the insignia of an unidentified craft?


Or is this just a mere coincidence?


Friday, February 17, 2012

The Roswell Hat

Ufologists and especially Kevin Randle's "Dream Team" -- if they find out whose hat that is behind General Ramey, circled in red here, in one of the famous 1947 Roswell debris photographs, they will have the key witness to the alleged debris switch.

Find out whose hat that is and Roswell will be solved, once and for all....if the owner is still alive (or has left a diary and/or notes).

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Jose Caravaca's List of UFO Crashes

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Jose Antonio Caravaca, our Spanish colleague and esteemed UFO reseacher, has provided a list of UFO crashes, with these caveats:

"...the vast majority of incidents [might] be false, inventions or prototypes -- recovery secrets. Perhaps only a few (very few) may have a difficult explanation."


When two or more data appear separated by this character / it is taken as more reliable, the first starting from the left.

M Indicates that the occupants were dead
V indicates that the occupants were alive
H Occupants, badly wounded, dying in military hands
X Unoccupied Accidents
? Data not known
number Z = ships recovered in perfect condition


Year-Date-Month -- Location, Occupant

1897 (17-4) Aurora, Texas (USA) 1 M
1908 (30-6) Tunguska (Russia)?
1939-46Spilzbergen (Norway)?
1941Goszevo and Dubroski (Belarus) (Russia)?
1947 (2/4-7) Roswell (New Mexico) (USA) 6/4 MH
1947 (2/4-7) Magdalena (N. Mexico) (USA) 4 M.H
1947 (2/4-7) San Agustin (N. Mexico) (USA) 4 MHV
1947 (? -10) Paradise Valley (Ariz.) (USA) 2 M
1947? Great Falls (Montana) (USA) 3 M
1948? Globe (Arizona) (USA)? M
1948 (25-3) (13-2) Aztec. (N. Mexico) (USA) 14/12 M
1948 (7-7) Nuevo Leon (Mexico) 1 M
1949 (30-1) Roswell (N. Mexico) (USA) 1 V
1950 (6-12) Indian Warrior (Texas) (USA)?
1952 (? -5) Spilzbergen (Norway)? -2 M
? Germany (North Sea)?
1952 (14-8) Ely (Nevada) (USA) 16/12 M
1952-50 (10-9) Albuquerque (N. Mexico) 3M
1953 (18-4) N.A. of Arizona (USA) 4 M
1953 (20-5) Kingman (Arizona) (USA) 1 M
1953 (19-6) Laredo (Texas) (USA) 4 M
1953 (10-7) South Africa Johannesburg SA 5 M
1953 (13-10) Dutton (Montana) (USA) 4 M
1954 (12-4) New Mexico (USA) 4 M
1955 (5-5) Brighton (England) 4 M
1955? Kasahstan (Russia) 1 = Z
1957 (18-7) Carlesbad (N. Mexico) (USA) 4 M
1957? Semipalatinsk (Kasahstan) (Russia)?
1958? Kasahstan (Russia)?
1961 Timmensdorfer (Germany) 12 M
1962 (18-4) Las Vegas (USA) 1 = Z
1962 (28-4) Lake Korb (Leningrad) (Russia)?
1962 (12-6) Holloman (N. Mexico) (USA) 2 M
1962? Semipalatinsk (Kasahstan) (Russia)?
1962? North of Russia?
1964 (10-11) Fort Riley (Kansas) (USA) 9 M
1965 (9-12) Kecksburg, Pennilsania (USA) 4 V
1966 (17-6) Elista (Caucasus) (Russia)?
1966 (27-10) N. E. of Arizona (USA) 1 M
(The UFO got off the ground)
UFO crashed in 1966-1968 5 states of Indiana, Kentucky and Ohio. (USA) 3 M 1 = Z
1968 (29/11) Urals Sverdlousk?
1972 (28/18-7) Sahara (Morocco) 3 M
1973 (10-7) Arizona (USA) 5 M
1976 (12-5) Desert Australia 4 M
1976-1977 Puebla (Mexico)?
1977 (22-6) Arizona (USA) 5/11 M
1977 (5-4) Ohio (USA) 11 M
1977 (17-8) Region Tobasco (N. Mex.) (USA) 2 M
1978 (18-1) McGuire (N. Jersey) (USA) 1 M
1978 (5 -?) Bolivia?-X
? Nepal?
? Spain 1 M
1978? Kazahstan (Russia)?
1978 to 1988 (-11) Afghanistan 7 M
1979? Ural Region, near Rinburg (Russia)?
1983 (5-5) Ordzhonikidze (Caucasus) (Russia)?
1983? Kazahstan (Russia)?
1984 (20-6) Baku (Azerbaijan) (Russia)?
1984? Taymyrian (Russia)?
1987 (-8) Vyborg (Leningrad) (Russia)?
1988 (22-11) Al'myakovo (Tomsk) (Russia)?
1989 (-5) Sudafica 2 V
1989 (-6) South Africa 2? 1 = Z
1989 (-7) Siberia (Russia) 9 V
1989 (16-9) Belaya Pashnya (Russia)?
1989? Dushanbe (Tadjikistan) (Russia)?
1989? Omsk (Russia)?
1990 (26-9) Kyzlkumy (Uzbekistan) (Russia)?
1990 (2-9) Megas Platanos (Greece)?
1990? Vladivostok (Russia)?
1991 (-11) Ezibastuz, Pavlodar (Kazahstan) (Russia)?
1992 (-11) Long Island NY (New York) (USA)?
1992 (25-6) Moldova (Ukraine) (Russia)?
1994 (-6) Kiev (Russia)?
1995 (15-9) Lesotho (South Africa) 3 H
1996 (20-1) Varginha Brazil 2 V




UFO ACCIDENTS IN ARGENTINA (Compiled by Luis Burgos)

1934 - 1992



01 12/01/34 NO de Chubut Chubut C
02 21/07/47 Tartagal Salta B
03 03/05/49 Sgo. del Estero Sgo. del Estero B
04 12/06/49 Loreto Sgo. del Estero B
05 22/07/50 Tres Isletas Chaco B
06 31/10/53 Venado Tuerto Santa Fe A
07 27/11/53 Paso de los Libres Corrientes B
08 08/11/54 Paso de los Libres Corrientes B
09 fines/55 Cerro Macón Salta D
10 21/08/57 Los Corrales Entre Ríos D
11 01/04/58 Zona de Neuquén Neuquén D
12 19/02/60 Zona Río Colorado Buenos Aires A
13 28/03/60 Córdoba Córdoba B
14 17/11/60 Rauch Buenos Aires C
15 07/08/61 Guaymallén Mendoza B
16 25/10/61 Mar del Plata Buenos Aires A
17 28/07/64 Golfo San Jorge Chubut C
18 24/11/64 Tío Pujio Córdoba D
19 01/65 Villa María Córdoba D
20 13/01/65 Lavalle Mendoza D
21 30/01/65 Luján Mendoza E
22 10/05/65 Lucio Mansilla Córdoba B
23 24/05/65 Cerro La Guayquería Mendoza E
24 65 San Luis San Luis E
25 18/03/66 Golfo San Jorge Chubut C
26 06/02/69 Sierra de la Ventana Buenos Aires C
27 25/01/70 Carlos Casares Buenos Aires E
28 07/02/70 Piamonte Santa Fe E
29 06/03/73 Mar del Plata Buenos Aires A
30 18/09/73 Don Torcuato Buenos Aires A
31 19/04/74 Jáchal San Juan B
32 10/01/75 San Rafael Mendoza C
33 26/06/75 Villa Carlos Paz Córdoba A
34 12/01/77 Nueve de Julio Buenos Aires A
35 06/05/78 Zona fronteriza de Orán Salta C
36 24/09/78 El Chocón Río Negro C
37 20/07/80 Cruz del Eje Córdoba B
38 03/10/80 Cañadón chileno Río Negro C
39 19/08/82 Resistencia Chaco A
40 25/01/85 Pedemonte Mendoza C
41 18/08/85 San Pedro de Colalao Tucumán C
42 14/05/86 Claypole y zonas Buenos Aires A
43 20/05/86 Santa Rosa La Pampa B
44 20/02/88 Miramar Buenos Aires C
45 25/02/88 Punta Lara Buenos Aires C
46 16/11/90 NE de Chubut Chubut C
47 29/03/92 E de Sgo. del Estero Sgo. del Estero D
48 /08/92 NE de Catamarca Catamarca C


Are crashed flying saucers ludicrous?

The continuing discussion about crashed saucers in the 40s and 50s is baffling.

UFOs no longer crash, that’s a certainty. They just appear, helter-skelter it seems.

But in the 1940s and 1950s it seems flying saucers crashed all over the place, and the near-Roswell crash still resonates among UFO devotees.

But how serious can one take such accounts?

If flying disks came from other galaxies, star-systems, or other cosmological venues, even from other dimensions or time, how feasible is it that the physical perturbations of Earth could down them?

Could radar observations disable such vehicles? Lightning? Or geomagnetic anomalies endemic to Earth?

Even one crash – Roswell? – seems unlikely, in an objective view of what it would take for an extraterrestrial culture to traverse here.

And if extraterrestrial travelers came to Earth early on – the so-called Ancient Astronauts – they must have had trouble with Earth’s chaotic atmosphere and bizarre stratospheric environment, but where are the remnants of any crashes? Where is the debris?

Yes, a fluke – unimagined or defined – may have taken a flying disk out of the skies near Roswell, or temporarily disabled a craft in Socorro, but what would that fluke be?

And what are the odds for the fluke being ubiquitous to the point that a number of out-of-world travelers were crippled by it?

The idea, on the face of it, should invite incredulity.

But instead it invites debate and ruminations of an ongoing, silly kind.

As our French colleague and UFO skeptic Gilles Fernandez says, that’s ufology…


Monday, February 13, 2012

Jose Caravaca pursues his Distortion Theory

Jose Antonia Caravaca provides an intriguing incident that bolsters his "theory" of Distortion.

Click HERE to read Senor Caravaca's latest posting at his blog.

Roswell Blunders

I've stopped touting Kevin Randle's latest book, for personal reasons...

But I have to tell you that his pages it it about his Roswell investigation goes a long way to showing how early UFO investigators -- Randle among them and foremost -- screwed up the story, with unintentional and stupid influence(s) on empty-headed "witnesses."

Also, how interviews weren't taped or botched.

And how Mr. Randle's abrasive demeanor often curtailed testimony from key participants.

Randle is not alone in the gaffes and inept procedures.

Others, who were quick to jump on the Roswell bandwagon, had motivations that were not pristine or ethical.

Mr. Randle is not among that crowd, but his failures were many, and I think his "Dream Team" effort is a mea culpa and/or attempt at some kind of salvation.

If you want an enlightening view of how Roswell got to where it is today, get the book.


Sunday, February 12, 2012

The Socorro Symbol [Redux]

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Do you find the Socorro Insignia/Symbol -- either the right one or the wrong one -- seen and drawn by Lonnie Zamora in the depiction above?

The symbol plays a part in the alleged hoax scenario and the real nature of Lonnie Zamora's sighting.

And it also factors into UFO sightings across the board which, to the dismay of the ETH addicts, will explain some important UFO events and sightings.


The Intersect of UFOs, Myth, Religion, and Metaphysics

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While there is, arguably, an intrusion of a phenomenon, UFOs, that intersects with mythological tales, religious origins, and metaphysics generally, we have always maintained that the intrusion of the phenomenon has been negligible.

That is, the phenomenon may have created gods or heroic figures, and ideas of other worlds (or heavens) but it didn’t create the tenets of belief (the moral fixtures or behavioral attributes) and it didn’t establish templates for action or life via the fables coming down to us in the form of mythological tales.

Moral thought sprung up in Egypt according to Egyptologist James Henry Breasted (noted in Jeffry Abt’s new book, American Egyptologist).

And moral precepts derived from human thought (Hammurabi, Moses, Buddha, et al.) without any intervention by extraterrestrial beings, or so the absence of them in ancient texts would indicate.

(Yes, Moses allegedly received the Ten Commandments from God, but the process as outlined in The Hebrew Bible and Old Testament lacks any hints of advanced technology so one can assume that Moses came up with his moral dictates from what he learned while in Egypt.)

Moreover, the metaphysical views of humankind are devoid of any reference to strange objects in the sky or on the ground.

The abstract nature of metaphysics undercuts any connection to UFOs in a tangible sense.

Metaphysical postulations are all over the place, so there isn’t one source for what lies in the ethereal realms as laid down by human thinkers in Egypt, India, Greece, or China during the early years of civilizational life.

The Greek myths outline human/god interactions that are so fraught with natural human flaws and behavior that UFO intervention is truly iffy, even though von Daniken argues otherwise in his book Odyssey of the Gods.

Skirting the arcane sightings of UFOs as listed by Aubeck and Vallee in Wonders in the Sky and still being pursued by Aubeck with his Magoniax colleagues, UFOs of the modern era are absolutely devoid of moral or religious precepts.

Coppens recent exegesis of the Fatima event shows that machinations by the Church had more to do with the apparitions detailed than any transcendental intervention, but Coppens still contends that UFOs account for the visions reported.

The Andreasson Affair, with its religious overtones is a contrivance so it’s dimissiable.

The Hill “abduction” presents a hint of cosmology, with that star map, but nothing profound came forth from Betty or Barney Hill, although I think they did have some kind of experience, real or neurological.

Other alleged UFO interactions – Pascagoula, Walton, et cetera – don’t have religious or metaphysical overtones or even subliminal undertones.

Modern UFO events have been devoid of attributes that some think infused ancient UFO accounts, and brought forth religions or moral constraints and templates for human behavior.

If there are moral precepts hidden in UFO events, past and present, no one has found them.

They are elusive, hidden or not there at all, which leads us to think UFOs are of a nature that has little or nothing to do with the evolution of human kind, spiritually.

So why persist in studying the phenomenon?

The purpose of life is to discern whom we are and why we have been conceived, is it not?

Or are we merely creatures of evolution, destined to live and die without purpose or meaning?

Whatever we, as humanity, are about, UFOs have nothing to do with us, in any meaningful way.

UFOs are phenomena that doesn’t intersect with us, morally, ethically, politically, economically, or in any other way that impacts us.

UFOs didn’t impact humanity in the past and doesn't today.

So why do we persist in giving UFOs a part of our short lives?

We should be seeking the meaning of life, should we not?

UFOs don’t help us with that.