UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, February 23, 2013

Cuban Cave Art -- a link to the past and future?


Although I often excoriate UFO UpDates for its slovenly format and useless lister dreck, one sometimes comes across a link or bit that is genuinely interesting.

And that was the case here.

A link to an essay by Virgilio Sánchez-Ocejo for the MIAMI UFO CENTER about Cuban cave art (and more) provides conjecture that, despite potential reservations by some, will entrance others, as it did me.

Click HERE to read Senor Sanchez-Ocejo's offering.

The image above comes from the essay, and is a 3-D rendering of a drawing that seems to show a flying machine cruising over a pyramid.

Whether that is the case or not isn't important, particularly.

What's important is that someone thinks through an image or a document, providing a new, possibly unique view of the thing.

That's what hypotheses are for and what we should be doing when it comes to the UFO phenomenon, which is so bizarre that any hypothetical suggestion cannot and should not be dismissed out of hand.

Nothing is impossible......improbable perhaps, but not impossible.



  • My only comment is that Sr. Garcia seems to have given himself quite a bit of “artistic license” in creating his 3D images. Looking at the originals, where he went from the them is not where my imagination would take me. But then, interpretation of such unfamiliar imagery without a frame of reference is 100% in the mind of the beholder. He sees machines; I see insects.

    We’re probably both dead wrong.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Saturday, February 23, 2013  

  • Yah, I see insects too, PG.

    But I like that someone sticks their neck out and proffers a view that is possible....again, maybe not probable but possible.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 23, 2013  

  • All:

    Like PG, I feel there has been a lot of artistic license in moving from the the line drawing to the computer graphic image.

    Have you ever been to Central America and seen the Blue Morpho butterfly?

    Google on it and you will find the resemblance striking.

    By Blogger Larry, at Saturday, February 23, 2013  

  • What proof is there that the pyramid doodle is meant to be connected to the thing with three spokes sticking out of it? Maybe we just have the illusion of connectedness, which we infer from proximity. But if the entire cave wall is covered in these sorts of things, it is reasonable to question whether the two doodles were created at the same time, let alone by the same 'artist'.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Saturday, February 23, 2013  

  • This article confirms me in that ufologists grow pareidolia and confirmation bias until their pararoxisme via the filter "I want to believe in weird things", to paraphraze Michael Shermer Book's title.

    It is quite in the continuity of ufologists and Ancient Aliens aficionados fallacious interpretations of cartouche of Abydos or electrical ampoules of Denderah, and so on...

    It is always with the same bad pots that ufologists made ​​the same bad dish...


    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • You might want to check out Graham Hitchcocks talk at TEDX for an alternative theory regarding cave art, shamanic practices and our ancestors discovery of naturally occurring hallucinogenic drugs.Much more compelling as a theory in my book.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • I find the shamanic and hallucinogenic drug explanation a bit overblown, Bruce, as does Mircea Eliade, as noted in a previous posting here on cave art.

    It accounts for some drawings/art maybe, but I doubt a person under the influence of hallucinogens would even care to create art.....good art; some scribblings maybe, but not good representational art as reproduced here in earlier notes.

    The drug premise is sloppy and a personal cause explanation for the persons proposing it I think.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • Did you watch the video?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • BTW..The cave paintings of horses in particular in France have been demonstrated to be a motion study of their leg articulation, something that only centuries later ended up leading to the invention of motion pictures based on a bet by the mogul Leland Stanford who wagered a bet..these drawings were shown in sequence in a similar manner and this is undoubtedly what they are. Our ancestors, once again were not as stupid as we assume they were.
    What I find amusing is "The drug premise is sloppy and a personal cause explanation for the persons proposing it" while you opine that spacemen are improbable but not impossible and then dismissing out of hand other possibilities without explaining your logic. But that's ufology..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • Yes, and I'm a Hancock fan; he's a Facebook "friend" and I read what he posts there regularly.

    For me, the idea that an artist can produce representational art while under the influence of hallucinogens is ludicrous.

    As somewhat skilled in the surrealistic art history, and knowledgeable about Jackson Pollack's views about art, I think I can speak with some kind of credibility.

    The Detroit newspapers made much of my association with Andy Warhol when I lived in New York.

    The art/drug discussion was rife back then, and I assure you that drug use and good art did not go hand-in-hand.

    That would be the case with cave art, good cave art.

    You are a fan of LSD use if I recall correctly, right?

    So you'd be inclined to favor the thesis that our ancestors would be doped up and wishing to draw or paint rather than doing other things like hoping to fly or f*cking.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • And Bruce, I accept the possibility that shamanic practices might allow for cave art, or some cave art.

    Otherwise I wouldn't insert your link and suggestions here.

    I'm merely presenting my view which you differ with.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • Just for the purposes of clarification, I am not a advocate of LSD use. I could agree with you if I thought these and other images were proven to be created while under the influence, which, if I understand you correctly is your assumption. I think they were done after the fact, illustrating their visionary experience. There are countless examples of this I am sure you would be somewhat bored with. As they say, each to their own.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

  • If the images are produced as memory remnants after hallucinogenic use, Bruce, they are damn good recreations of what was imagined, distorted by the vicissitudes of dream-states of course.

    Forgive me about the LSD thing; it's my buddy Anthony Bragalia who thinks there's an advocacy for LSD use, as did Oliver Sacks.

    Graham Hancock would see an efficacious use of hallucinogens also, I believe, as he, like you, sees something significant in shamanic activity.

    I find, from the literature, that shamanic processes were subordinate to sexual activity, as outlined by Freud in Totem and Taboo.

    I'd rather see cave art as a sublimation of the primitive sex drive, rather than an output derived from hallucinogenic ingesting,

    But who really knows, as PG might suggest?

    We're all operating in the dark on this.

    Conjecture is all we have, and that is a tenuous thing at best.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 24, 2013  

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