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Thursday, April 18, 2013

ROSWELL CRASH DEBRIS GUARD: “I WAS ORDERED TO SHOOT TO KILL” by Anthony Bragalia

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A team of investigators (of which this author is part) has renewed efforts to find and contact the very last living veterans of the Army Air Force who were at Roswell during the time of a UFO crash that occurred in early July of 1947. Some of these now octogenarian witnesses have opened up publicly for the very first time- and some of what they say can only be described as chilling. If the testimony of one particular Roswell vet holds true, then the Air Force explanation of a Mogul balloon train accounting for a crashed UFO cannot be. This is because the vet maintains that the Provost Marshal of the base had issued to him the most extreme and dreaded of commands: He was ordered to “shoot to kill” anyone who ever tried to enter the hangar in which the crash debris was stored. One would not be commanded to kill over a balloon. Serviceman Calvin Cox has held secret his disturbing Roswell experience for decades. He was ordered to never speak of it. And he never has...until now.

THE ULTIMATE COMMAND

To “shoot to kill” on officer’s orders supersedes the normal protocol to apprehend and arrest. It means to instantly end another person’s life as judge, jury and executioner.

One such serviceman dutiful enough to do this was PFC Calvin Cox. Cox is pictured in the Roswell Army Air Field Base Yearbook for 1947 and other information indicates that he was attached to the 3rd Photo Lab. Cox was found by me during the course of trying to locate those who were with the Photo Lab at that time. One serviceman who was also affiliated with the Lab, Gene Neiderschmidt, had suggested that I contact a Calvin Cox “who knew some things he might now be open to talking about.” Gene explained that Cox had actually guarded the hangar where the debris was taken. Gene added, “and what he tells you is true. He would have done anything if he was ordered to, anything. He was a tough kind of guy.”

I reached Calvin Cox by phone very recently. His story was one that he was at first reluctant to tell. But what he did relate was remarkable. Calvin explained that he held Top Secret clearance. When the debris from the Roswell crash was being brought to base, Calvin states the he was commanded to perform very urgent guard duty at Hangar 84. It would be a four hour shift. The Provost Marshal, Major Edwin Easley, instructed Calvin to guard a portion of the inside of the huge hangar. And Calvin did this. But what gives him pause even today are the forceful orders that he was given that extraordinary day:

Major Easley had commanded Calvin in absolute terms to “shoot and kill anyone who tried to enter the hangar that was not authorized to do so.”

And Calvin adds that he was then told by the Major that he would not be using his standard-issue weapon for guard duty. Instead, Easley issued Calvin a submachine gun to be used with deadly force should anyone try to cross:

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THE ROSWELL DEBRIS GUARD’S OTHER REVELATIONS

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Hangar 84 at Roswell Base Today

Cox said that there was a guard placed both outside and inside the entrances to the hangar. He was not to go beyond a rope that was placed just a few feet inside the hangar entrance. Despite this, Calvin had the opportunity to view some of the incoming Roswell debris from a distance. He saw some of the crash material sticking out of a 60 foot flatbed, filling perhaps just half of the trailer’s capacity. He indicates that it appeared that the crash material may have been metal-like, but that he could tell it was protruding out in beams and appeared shiny and smooth. Some of it may have had a burnished or tarnished coloring. Far back in the poorly lit hangar he could see about 30 feet of strange, structured metal-like material that was similar to what he had seen in the flatbed.

Cox states that at no time during this event did he see anything resembling a balloon or balloon train. He remembers the newspapers later stating that the disc was found out to have been a balloon after all- and personally knowing that was not true but being unable to say anything.

Calvin believes that Intelligence Officer Major Jesse Marcel’s late-in-life disclosures about finding material in the desert not from Earth are true. Calvin says that Jesse was “straight forward” and that Jesse was set up as a “fall guy.”

After the crash Calvin noticed that there were personnel around the base in great numbers that he knew to have been affiliated with intelligence agencies, including both the FBI and the OSI.

When I asked him what happened to the debris, Cox said that he knew that pilot Captain Oliver “Pappy” Henderson was involved in flying out some of it out to another location. (Many years ago researchers documented that Henderson had confessed to family that he had personally seen the alien bodies and strange debris.)

Calvin today maintains that what he guarded must have been of such importance that it affected national security. And he believes that what crashed was “piloted.” When I asked by whom, he replied with a question: “Do you believe in aliens?”

THE MAJOR, HIS ORDERS AND HIS CONFESSION

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Major Edwin Easley, Provost Marshal

Major Edwin Easley was the Provost Marshal at Roswell Army Air Field in July of 1947. A Provost Marshal is the head of the Military Police group at a base of military operations. He is the officer in charge of this unit and thus is responsible for military discipline, maintaining order and other police functions. Easley was the one who issued the kill order to Calvin Cox. It is believed that Easley, as Provost Marshal, also secured the crash site.

When Easley was reached in 1991 by researcher Kevin Randle, he was asked if he thought that they were “following the right path” on the true nature of the Roswell crash. Easley asked, “What do you mean?” When it was clarified as referring to “the extraterrestrial path” Easley responded, “Well let me put it to you this way- that’s not the wrong path.” He would say no more, indicating that he was “sworn to secrecy.”

His daughter, Nancy Johnston Easley has stated that her father said to her that he had made a promise to President Truman not to reveal anything. During his last days Easley finally confirmed to his family members (and to his physician Dr. Harold Granik) that there was a ‘real crash’ that occurred “North of Roswell.” When asked what he had seen out there in the desert, Edwin replied:“Creatures.”

AJB 

47 Comments:

  • Hello Tony,

    Hihi, I like your new finding! It smells the past books...

    That's interresting because you are stating (among others to follow) that, inside the 509th RAAF - an Hangar -, MP or own military of the base they are part from too, have order "to shoot to kill"...
    That's serious or Ufology?

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Thursday, April 18, 2013  

  • The fact that Roswell was a nuclear capable Bomb Group, the only one in 1947?, the establishment of a shoot to kill policy would not have been unusual...under certain conditions.

    During my time in SAC, it was called "Use of Deadly Force Authorized." This was standard around "National Resources" and nuclear weapon systems.

    Bragalia's shoot to kill scenario would not have been initiated by the Provost Marshall, but rather from a written official policy by DoD allowing the Provost to implement said policy. Basically, what else was in the hanger in conjunction with the alleged crash material? Find that answer and you may have the reason for the posting of the sentries.

    I'm assuming that no one was shot at Roswell?

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Thursday, April 18, 2013  

  • Giles,
    It seems that it never occurred to them to lock the hanger. Shooting themselves in the foot? It sounds as if they did not trust their own guards at a already secured base against presumed hostile agents in their own ranks by issuing non standard machine guns.
    This is serious ufology. Read it and consider it to be inconsequential.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, April 18, 2013  

  • Tim-
    Calvin was well aware of nuclear related activities at the base as he was with the base photo unit and possessed Top Secret clearance to photograph atomic bombs and the planes that delivered them. He made it clear that this had nothing to do nukes.
    Bruce-
    Who said if the hangar door was locked secure or not. In either case guards would be required to secure items vital to the national security.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, April 18, 2013  

  • Tony
    Guard against whom? Back in the day, the goal of most was to be an "average joe" and I cannot imagine any private citizen who was going along to get along risking getting past the secured perimeter, etc out of simply curiosity just to peek. If the goal was secrecy, placing armed guards around your average hanger put a red flag or X marks the spot on the location. The air force personnel in a nuclear strategic base if anybody, followed their orders. If a higher up said stay out of the hanger, they stayed out of the hanger. Is something went wrong and someone tried to force their way in, if true, they would have been shot. So, if they had been shot, if true, then they have a major problem much greater than the need to keep what they had secret. Beyond this, if anything in this story is true, intimidation without shooting anyone worked just fine. If the hanger was locked and there were guards, were they supposed to guard against someone picking the lock? Again the question is whom? To be in hostile territory is one thing, but to be in your own backyard, if so, seems more than a little overwrought. A rifle would not suffice, if one were facing a hostile mob, but to use a machine gun in the middle of the desert at a secured base seems more like something out of Hollywood than reality.
    Again we have an uncorroborated tale, one of a nearly untold number. Each step in this narrative more resembles the definition of folklore than meat on the bone, and this verbal transmission of tales is as old as the history of tribal mythos. I don't envy your task because in the end, I suspect we will have a collection of such tales that rival the Grimm Brothers, if we don't already..so whats the point? Unless you have hard evidence, it's folklore as plain as the nose at the end of my face. That is why this is inconsequential and does nothing but repeat the same narrative until it is repeated often enough that no one can tell what is imagined and what happened.
    Isn't this where this tale is now, this state? All you have managed to do is gild to an artifice of a rose, and in doing so, this is simply contaminating the contaminated. Personally, I would have kept this under my hat. I suspect you are wading into a deeper swamp rather than approaching land, but "it's your thing"

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Yes Bruce is quite right. Tony's tale is just another anecdote to add to the ever-increasing list of tiresome Roswell anecdotes. "Shoot to kill" is something picked up from the earlier accounts and will not impress anyone familiar with the tale since 1980. We urgently need another 'dogfood' episode. (Ha Ha!)

    If this is the sort of evidence the 'dream team' are producing, then I despair for them.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Bruce/CDA:

    Or perhaps Calvin, in the winter of his life, decided to come clean and honor his higher obligation, which is to truth and to history.

    AJB

    PS: Bear in mind:

    -I found Calvin. Calvin did not "come forward."

    - He told his story reluctantly.

    - His story is corroborated by another vet from the Photo Unit and by the family of Major who gave Calvin the kill order.

    PSS: Calvin was trained as a guard as well as a photographer and had 'pulled guard duty' before. And he knew Easley from prior top-secret photo assignments.

    I suspect that many of the MPs were actually at the site and additional personnel with TS clearance were needed as guards who were not MPs themselves.

    And perhaps this was intentional on the part of Easley's plan- use MPs and non-MPs. Mix them, separate them. Calvin did add that he did not recognize any of the other guards assigned to the Hangar 84...

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • CDA-

    Your calling my efforts "sad" if this represents the kind of work the team is doing is disingenuous.

    You know full well that we are obligated to locate and contact the last living people who who there during the crash incident. To not do so would be a dereliction in investigatory duty. Gaining oral histories of those in the know who were there at the time must be done for the historical record. Vetting the testimony by considering how it was obtained, looking for corroboration, internal consistency and what we already know to be true helps us to separate the facts from the fictions.

    And gaining the last Roswell vet testimony does not mean that we are not engaged in pursuing and evaluating documentary evidence, physical evidence, official paper trails, etc.

    Why you would imply this escapes me.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Certainly search for, and produce, some "documentary evidence, physical evidence, official paper trails, etc" if you can. Even some actual ET bodies (if you can).

    But please, please, do not regale us with any more of these "shoot to kill" anecdotes. This is NOT a war. Neither was it in '47. You will merely turn Roswell into more of a fantasy tale than it already is.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • cda,

    It seems that you don't want to know anything about Roswell other than physical evidence. I believe that ALL evidence is pertinant to this case, physical or otherwise. I commend Anthony for digging deep into the Roswell matter for every bit of evidence.

    By OpenID 9cf94f96-a92d-11e2-804d-000f20980440, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Good work as usual Tony.

    Grant Cameron

    By Blogger presidentialufo, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • The "official" story from the USAF has some glaring inconsistencies. (The following is an excerpt from Richard Dolan's book "UFOs and the National Security State Vol 1):

    [1. In neither report did the air force make any attempt to interview still-living witnesses of the 1947 events.

    2. The air force ignored its own experts, such as Lt. Col (Ret.) Raymond A. Madison, a project officer on Project High Dive, who told the Associated Press that there is no way dummies could be confused with aliens. Each dummy had a reward notice, and were stamped as property of the USAF.

    3. The USAF ignored the fact that that not dummies fell near Roswell.

    4. The dummy tests were known to the public through extensive air force publicity as the time, a fact the air force mentioned.

    5. The description of Mogul's apparatus in no way fits with the consistent description of Roswell reckage by the people who say they were there. Can one truly consider glue-treated balsa-wood sticks to have the toughness and durability ascribed to the Roswell Wreckage? Were Marcel, Brazel, Blanchard, Wilcox, and the rest unable to identify rubber, tinfoil and balsa wood debris?

    6. A Mogul balloon was not large or heavy enough to have caused the kind of widespread remains and incisions into the ground that witnesses ascribed to the Roswell Crash.

    7. Neither report tried to answer why the army incarcerated Brazel, interrogated him for a week, and held him incommunicado. Brazel's detention by the military was corroborated by his family, friends, neighbors, Roswell base provost marshal, and Wilcox's family.]

    The next comment by Mr. Dolan that is very very interesting Once again an excerpt from Mr. Dolan's book UFOs and the national security state Vol 1.

    [ 8. Other Mogul launches did not exhibit the level of security that Roswell witnesses attributed to the crash recovery. For example, Mogul flight #7, launched July 2, 1947, crashed off course. Before the balloon train could be recovered, some of the balloons were stolen by civilians. In this case, however, no military squad was sent to round up thieves. ]

    Comment number 8 was the most compelling, if indeed the Roswell incident was simply standard military operating procedure, then they should have followed the same procedure in the July 2, 1947 - which incidentally was before the Roswell incident (July 5, 1947)!!! The very fact that Mogul flight #7 was stolen by thieves, the USAF never sent out any squad, and was never recovered indicates that the Roswell incident was significantly different from the Mogul #7 crash. In fact there was no cover story, no detention of the thieves, no military squad sent to pick up debris by hand., no flight of the wreckage to Wright Field Ohio, no reports of alien bodies, no handling of the material. In fact I haven't seen anything about the thieves who stole the wreckage, -- the USAF treated Mogul #7 crash as if there was nothing really sensitive about the balloons at all.

    By Blogger JohnG., at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Thanks Grant!

    JohnG- I have chatted with both Ray Madson and his wife (who also worked at Wright Patterson) and did an article on this on Iconoclasts some years ago. John felt that he was used by the USAF in their debunking report.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Tim wrote: “…..Basically, what else was in the hanger (sic) in conjunction with the alleged crash material? Find that answer and you may have the reason for the posting of the sentries….”

    To which AJB replied: “…Calvin was well aware of nuclear related activities at the base as he was with the base photo unit and possessed Top Secret clearance to photograph atomic bombs and the planes that delivered them. He made it clear that this had nothing to do [with] nukes….”

    By “nukes” I assume you mean nuclear weapons. There is no necessary implication here that what was recovered out in the desert and observed by Calvin was a lost, nuclear weapon (or “Broken Arrow” event) that he somehow misidentified. The question is whether Hangar 84 was placed under the authority of the Atomic Energy Commission for purposes of that operation. If so, then it would have been an exclusion area to personnel without AEC clearance—period.

    So Anthony, one question is whether Cox had a Q clearance (or higher). Did he say? Did you ask?

    His Top Secret clearance would have been granted by the Air Force. The clearance for access to AEC Restricted Data and to be in proximity to nuclear material can only be granted by the AEC. When both of those clearances are packaged together, the result is the Q clearance.

    An AEC exclusion area carries with it a number of mandatory practices and policies which Cox described.

    As Tim accurately described and CDA so ignorantly dismissed, an AEC exclusion area REQUIRES the authorization for use of deadly force (or “shoot to kill”, if you insist). It’s not optional and not at the discretion of the local commander.

    In spite of Bruce’s disbelief, it also REQUIRES use of the two-man system for personnel who could have physical contact with restricted material. You quite literally cannot go to the bathroom by yourself. This covers guards and all individuals, even those with the appropriate security clearances. So in answer to Bruce’s question, no, they don’t trust their own guards. That’s the policy. This is to prevent sabotage and diversion.

    When I’ve been in these facilities in recent times, the guards always travel in pairs, and carry the M4 fully automatic version of the AR-15 assault rifle. This is because a possible intrusion at a facility covered under the Atomic Energy Act is considered a national security event, not a police action. There is always backup force immediately available, in the form of HUMVEEs with gatling guns, armored gun tower turrets, hand grenades, etc. So the idea that Cox may have been given a submachine gun to replace his M1 is exactly in line with this practice.

    I have suspected for quite some time now that a decision to treat “recovered alien artifacts” with the same seriousness as though they were nuclear weapons was taken pretty early in the history of US contact with such artifacts--quite possibly some time before Roswell. Given that one decision, most if not all of what follows—including Calvin Cox’s story-- needs no further explanation.

    There are several ways that decision could have been taken. First, the artifacts may have had Special Nuclear Material (U235 or Pu239) in them. Indeed, some (disputed) reports claim as much, explicitly. Another way is if someone decided that the artifacts had some hidden linkage to knowledge about Atomic Power. In either of these cases, then the artifacts and all information about them would automatically become the property of the AEC, without debate, and without appeal. A third way would be if the President simply declared that the artifacts were the property of the AEC. There is one sentence in the Atomic Energy Act of 1946 that permits that.

    If Calvin is still willing to talk, I would be interested in hearing his opinion about this possibility.

    By Blogger Larry, at Friday, April 19, 2013  

  • Very interesting and not a surprise. What IS interesting are the doubtcasters and how the cling to any trivial reason to cast doubt. I've heard far more then enough evidence to believe in a very reasonable theory that an alien ship from another world crashed. What is so hard to believe about that? There are so many other excellent cases to confirm they exist. Come clean US Govt. It's about time.

    By Blogger Enginerd, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • I enjoy your reports. Thank you for the hard work you are doing.

    By Blogger Chris Perridas, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • I can at least verify that Cox's orders were not outlandish. My father was in the 509th. He told me and my sister late in his life that he had been flown out to the "middle of nowhere" in the N.M. desert to guard 'something'. Everyone had to face away from it. Then on the plane coming back was something covered that was guarded by MPs with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to look inside. Unfortunately that's all the detail he gave us.

    By Blogger Michael Denham, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Hi John G-

    I only know that Calvin possessed Top Secret Clearance, had been on photo-related assignments for atomic-related shoots, and I am not certain if he did or did not possess Q Clearance.

    I do known that he saw nothing to make him think that this related to the storage or transport of an atomic bomb or component- broken arrow/errant or otherwise.

    He saw large protruding metal-like beams that were shiny and smooth with some having unusual coloration. The material was on a flatbed which had just arrived from the crash site (with the engineered material filling about half the capacity of the flatbed, or 30 feet) with the other half of the material (about 30 feet of it as well) apparently stored deep inside the hangar Calvin was guarding. Nothing he noted related to balloon or bomb.

    Chris-
    Thanks for the kind comments.

    Enginerd-
    Some skeptics have a will to disbelieve. If even one of the vets is telling the truth, the skeptics would have to change their world-view, and that they cannot handle.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Larry:

    "I have suspected for quite some time now that a decision to treat “recovered alien artifacts” with the same seriousness as though they were nuclear weapons was taken pretty early in the history of US contact with such artifacts--quite possibly some time before Roswell."

    Are you saying that the USAF may well have recovered alien craft and bodies some time BEFORE Roswell?

    Can you please point to a UFO case where this might have happened. Undoubtedly I would expect considerable documentation on such a case, just as I would expect volumes of documentation on Roswell, if it was indeed ET.

    You seem to suggest that the US had contact with alien artifacts maybe years earlier. So why does the scientific world know nothing about it?

    Enginerd:

    It is a wholly UNreasonable theory to expect the US Govt (or any other govt) would still be sitting on such a secret for 65+ years. "Come clean" you say. I am one of those "doubtcasters". It is certainly not a "trivial reason" to say the idea of such an event being kept secret by one country for 65+ years is utter nonsense. So the whole of the scientific world is to kept in ignorance - seemingly forever? Baloney.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Is there a possibility that the extraterrestrials intentionally crashed a UFO near Roswell airforce base in 1947?

    If so, then can we ask ourselves "Why?"

    Could it have anything to do with the 509th atomic bombing group stationed there?

    Could our kind elders be 'Marking' Roswell and sending us a message of some kind? What could it be?

    "Magnitude of the deception?"




    By Blogger Patrick Sullivan, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Michael-

    Thanks for sharing with me this very interesting "tidbit." Servicemen were indeed brought in from elsewhere post-crash. More to come on this soon...

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • I think your locating the "shoot to kill" order is relevant. If the guard in question knew he was guarding the Roswell crash debris, whatever it may have been, then a shoot to kill order would not have been appropriate for balloon debris, unless said debris was itself of major national security significance, which it was never claimed to be.

    This government is notorious for hiding important matters from the public. The Roswell crash debris is only one of them. If there was nothing to hide, then nothing would be hidden. Thus, when government takes extra pains to hide something from the public, how can one not conclude that the government considers it important?

    Would it be important to hide harmless, otherwise meaningless balloon debris from the public as if it were of critical national import? Of course not. Thus, any intelligent human being has to conclude that the Roswell crash debris has at least received the same kind of top secret treatment that a crashed ufo would have achieved.

    Next question, if it were not real ufo debris, then what else could have been so important? Well, maybe the Colonel was hiding and protecting his wedding ring in Hangar 84 because he didn't want anybody to realize it was made of brass.

    By Blogger Adam Evenson, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • wow amazing how ignorant people are.i did not want to say stupid but brainwashed.it has been proven that all media are propaganda dispensers controlled by this shadow government and the only thing alien that is shown is always negative,not positive. the media sensationalize everything but this they are not allowed.a few years ago the ex producer of abc was given classified documents on aliens along with some testimony from some 300 first hand witnesses of aliens being here but two weeks later dr. steven greer called and asked about him airing it on 20/20 he said they would not let him. when asked who he said you know them.the federal reserve is a private institution run by the Rothschild,rockefellers,morgan to name a few.these people in this shadow govt. is a criminal org. outside of the law.but things are now beginging to change as members of congress,the senate,cia,the joint chief of staff,president are being briefed on this and much more by dr. steven greer.most are scared of this change but it will happen dispite the brainwashing of the American people and the world.these people are capable of things you can not even imagine.

    By Blogger luther renfroe jr, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • If you look at what is deemed secret or important for national security for the most part has to do with either a competition or conflict with another nation, not it's own citizens, nor, more importantly, the scientific community. Paranoia arose after Kennedy was killed and it's been downhill ever since. The scientific community would have been rewarded enormous sums to fully explore the potential of a new technology for the sake of warfare. Loose lips are also more likely in a non military context when dealing with subcontractors..where are their fables after over a half century? No great boon or applied technology has arisen from this in nearly seventy years and Corso's claims are simply more folkloric selling of wish fulfillment to the gullible. If you read the accounts of the crash site, they are all over the map, and the contradictions as well as fabrications are rife. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's more probable to be a duck than a swan despite the theology of the Grimm brothers.
    Dream Team, indeed.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • What is amazing me about the Roswell myth, is (among others) we have a sort of super hidden secret, menace against civilians, and supra-secret or hyper-ressources allowed by dunno who to protect the thing.

    But, but...

    But a vulgate "Postman" (Don Schmitt) and the so-called Dream-Team members and all the storytellers/mythmakers of the "case" are not blocked in their Chimera Quest/"investigation" by the powerfull ressources hidding the secret they told us to be.

    You see the paradoxe between "shoot to kill" and best-sellers success, Museums, tons of articles, emissions, etc consacred of your Roswell folklore ?

    Iknow, that's ufology, and they can have both ^^

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Luther Renfroe,

    I would have took your comments to mean that you are a "real" acolyte of the conspiracy crowd. Yet I doubt your sincerity since you omitted such esteemed organizations such as the Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergs.

    I doubt seriously that Obama is receiving briefings by Greer. How could he, since he has been busy being transported back and forth to Mars?

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Gilles:

    Remember that Donald Keyhoe extensively promoted ETH throughout his UFO career, yet NEVER ONCE mentioned Roswell in his writings.

    This implies one of two things:

    1. Keyhoe was never told the great truth for fear that he might divulge this in his books, with catastrophic effects.

    2. Keyhoe knew the great Roswell truth (through secret informants) but had to keep quiet for fear of being shot dead by the USAF, whilst at the same time being allowed to publicise numerous other sightings of far less significance.

    Which do you prefer?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • CDA : Which do you prefer.

    Excellent!

    I prefer the Roswell DreamTeam!
    They are my contemporan heroes & epics figures. Why?

    Read the Roswell Gospels: despite an USA "entity" taking place in their myth, which have made all in order the secret to be hidden concerning Roswell, have menaced civilians, not hesitating to order "to shoot to kill", "fearing" people, etc;

    You know what?

    The Roswell DreamTeam is beyond the tale and "facts" they are narrating themselves:
    The UFO mythmakers have no fear of being shot dead by the supra-entity they have themselves made to take in place in their own myth (the USAF) ...

    Despite, in the same time, and from 1978 (90's for recent Roswell mythmakers) they published or are allowed to publicise the great secret they told us to be hidden by some powerfull entity (ies), this entity is making them free to publish and publicise...

    That's the Roswell ufology paradoxe.

    My explanation is that Roswell mythmakers/storytellers have a sort of "special Might and Magic card" (supra-super epic one) in the role game of Roswell ufology:

    On this top M&Magic card, it is writted:
    "imunization against the great gouvernement KOMPLOT and "shoot to kill" tale, you however are narrating..."

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Roswell...the subject is as interesting now as beating a dead horse yesterday! You know the horse is dead, you see the dead horse, people have told about the dead horse...good bet it is dead...so Roswell is real, it did happen, there were folks on board.
    Move on...all the old farts are just that old...or dead.

    By Blogger John, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Hi, Tony.

    We haven't spoken in awhile. I hope you are doing well.

    If an "alien" vessel had crashed, and was recovered, and if it was immediately apparent that there were pilots, or crew of some sort, then it could be possible to contemplate the idea of protecting from unknown sources - that one doesn't know if there might be some type of rescue operation to take place, or not.

    If it was ours, and we knew our crew had been spirited away, we might commit to such an operation.

    I guess my point would be that those involved would had have to have been contemplating quite a few different scenerios to prepare for. Those "in-the-know" would be wise to be a little nervous. And, this would be especially true if there had truly been one captured alive, as has been mentioned by some.

    I personally have no problem considering all of these possibilties.

    I hope you can keep working on this, Tony, regardless of what the all-knowing "great" minds that continue to rant say that it not only couldn't have happened, but also that it didn't happen.

    Take care,
    Bob.

    By Blogger Bob Koford, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • John-

    You say that Roswell is like beating a dead horse. Yet you took the time to read this lengthy Roswell account and to comment on it!

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Saturday, April 20, 2013  

  • Bruce Duensing makes sense. Here's what also makes sense. What is
    the next most secret technology in the world in the year 1947 next to the A-bomb? The ability to track it.
    That certainly sounds like technology
    that a trained military guard might
    be ordered to protect, even if that meant a "shoot to kill" order against any intrusions. You're right, they were paranoid, paranoid enough to post guards..even for just a "weather balloon" . Enjoy your fairy tale gang....Good night and good luck.

    By Blogger Dare_Devil, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • At the time of the Roswell UFO crash in 1947 there were possibly a few dozen atomic bombs in the arsenal of America. Since then Over 150,000 Atomic bombs have been built. Why?

    Read Bitch interpretation at:
    http://bitchworld.weebly.com/ufo-prevent-nuclear-shots.html

    By Blogger Patrick Sullivan, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • How did a PFC get "top secret clearance?"

    By Blogger Lynn, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Dare Devil-

    Please do some rudimentary research (including the writings of Mogul Project Officer CB Moore) to find out about how the balloons were handled. The material itself was not classified- only its mission. At no time ever was a recovered Mogul treated in this matter. Quite the opposite, actually.

    And Lynn, yes. I have clearance and am a civilian never in military!

    AJB.

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Lynn said..."How did a PFC get "top secret clearance?"

    The same way anyone else gets one.

    First, you get assigned to a job which, if you perform it, would naturally put you in contact with classified information like--say--photographing B29s carrying atomic bombs. This establishes your "need to know" material classified at a certain level.

    Then you fill out some forms that tell in exhausting detail where you have lived, where you went to school, your work history, organizations you've belonged to, friends and family, etc.

    Then the US Government sends investigators around to check up on every facet of your history to see if you're telling the truth. In 1947, when you were being investigated for atomic secrets, the investigation was required to be done by the FBI.

    Then, if you pass the background check, an official high up in the chain of command who is authorized by law to do so, certifies that you have a security clearance at a level appropriate to the job you are supposed to perform.

    Then you sign a nondisclosure agreement.

    Then you are given a briefing reminding you what you are supposed to do and not do in order to keep classified information secure.

    Then you are given a badge with a "Top Secret" clearance on it.

    I suppose you are disbelieving that an ordinary schlub (like a PFC). Could get such a clearance because he wouldn't be "important enough"?

    I encounter this erroneous belief all the time. The level of clearance associated with a location or a particular activity (like B29s being used to carry atomic bombs) is set by the importance and sensitivity of the information that resides there. A top secret site contains information which, if revealed to an adversary (like the USSR) could cause "exceptionally grave damage". "Exceptionally grave damage" usually means that people would die, and battles would be lost.

    The security clearance of an individual is attached to the personal character of that individual, not to the particular job that is being done. It is based on an assessment that that individual will keep his/her word and abide by the non-disclosure agreement. The character of the individual is independent of whether the individual's body is wearing a PFC uniform or a General's uniform, or no uniform at all.

    Those who have no experience in working in a classified environment often don't think about the fact that a complex project (like building a stealth bomber, for example) requires people to work at all different levels of skill. At one level, you have the chief engineer who designs the thing and knows how everything works, and at the other level you have the janitor who sweeps up the scraps at the end of the day. If the project is "top secret" they all have to have a minimum of "top secret" clearance.

    By Blogger Larry, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Larry is correct. The level of security clearance is dependent upon the classified level of the required duty...and NEED TO KNOW. Just because someone has a TOP SECRET clearance, that does not mean that they have access to ALL T.S. material or information...still need to know only.

    Going back to my "what else was in the hangar" theme, there could have been other "critical components" associated with the Bomb Group's mission, such as sophisticated bomb sights, bomb release mechanisms, classified navigational systems, etc. An actual nuclear weapon/device would not have been stored in a simple hangar, unless something highly unusual dictated it to be so...there were weapons storage bunkers for that task.

    Larry is further right concerning the use of two security guards, this would eventually morph into the SAC two-man policy and in the case of certain critical components, two officer policy.

    Speaking of the two officer policy, why was that not the case at Roswell? Something that highly classified would have meant the need for individuals that would have been considered "trusted agents" for the Bomb Group...two officers with the appropriate security clearance inside of the hangar combined with two security guards on the perimeter.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Our colleague Andreas Muller has translated Tony Bragalia's piece here for his European site visitors:

    http://grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.de/2013/04/roswell-zeitzeuge-erinnert-sich-als.html

    We thank him.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Hello! This is my first time making a comment , and also at your site. It appears to me [I'm 70 and a long-time researcher for historical & literary subjects], that you are sincere people doing an excellent job at getting to the heart of the matter. That you have detractors is unfortunate, as it's a waste to deal w/them. Most are likely grinding an emotional or ideological axe of some kind; one comes up against this all the time in my fields of research, i.e., who really was Shakespeare, etc.

    Dr Greer is not a fool, neither are the people researching crop circles, one of whom I've been in direct telephone conversation about her applied findings in horticulture.

    Good will come out of all sincere work, never let the grinders stop you!

    By OpenID josephbc69, at Sunday, April 21, 2013  

  • Have concluded that if anything really crashed outside Roswell in 1947 (about which I still have monumental doubts), it was a terrestrial craft flown by a hostile government that conducted a successful incursion of US air space then got into trouble near Roswell (akin to the Francis Powers U-2 incident). I'd also bet my second to the last drop of blood that this isn't the only case that involves incursion of US air space that was reported as a UFO.

    This is something the US government and military would cover up in perpetuity (and issue shoot to kill orders for). And if you can't figure out why they would do so, I'll be happy to pay for your brain scan.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, April 29, 2013  

  • purrlgurl-

    So you believe in Annie Jacobsen's Area 51 scenario? Is Russia the "hostile government" that you speak of?

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, April 29, 2013  

  • No I haven't read Jacobson's book (I won't read another book relating to UFOs; enough is enough) nor do I personally believe in any alien back engineering at Area 51. I never bought Bob Lazar's BS about the place, and I wouldn't buy a car from him either. I believe the base just does cutting edge, black ops R,D, & testing. And that's plenty spooky enough in my book.

    Yeah, Russia and maybe others. But "friendly" governments could have overflown as well. The myth of US invincibility when it comes to protecting US airspace is just that to me, a myth. While we were scanning the skies specifically looking for missiles and nuclear bombers, other stuff could have gotten through and likely did, including surveillance balloons.

    I am completely convinced UFOs have provided a convenient cover up for both our own and foreign aircraft operating in our skies. I don't believe all UFO reports represent this activity, but I believe a significant portion of them do.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, April 29, 2013  

  • purrlgurl-

    That was Ms. Jacobsen's premise- that Russia had overflown the US with a novel disc that they built that contained genetically altered midget children. A bizarre book and a bizarre premise. You should at least read on online summation of it...

    There is not an iota of evidence that piloted craft from a hostile foreign government had ever crashed in the continental US during that time period.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, April 29, 2013  

  • Disk, my patoot. Conventional aircraft. We're just not that good, and we never were.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Friday, May 03, 2013  

  • Hi Mr. Bragalia, my name is Trinidad Peter Hernandez, grandson of Trinidad Peralta Hernandez. My grandfather told me about his experience as a perimeter guard at the crash site in Roswell when the event happened sometime ago. I don't know how to look up my Grandpa's records of service with the US military so I'm asking for help to identify and confirm he was there. According to my Grandfather, the debris from crash site could not be burned with a torch or cut and would fold back into shape after being crumbled/folded into peices. He also told us there were non-human bodies that were recovered and that everyone was told to say nothing about it. My grandfather had 11 kids total and served honorably in the military for a long time before passing away after many years of service. At the time of the crash, he was stationed in Roswell with only 3 kids. I later confirmed the story with my father whom I had not known for most of my life until recently. My father also mentioned that my grandfather had told him and his brothers the same story as well when they were teenagers in the late 60's/70's. If you can help confirm my grandpas record or know of someone who can...that would be awesome. take care. trinidad.hernandez@gmail.com

    By Blogger Trin, at Friday, May 10, 2013  

  • Thanks Trin-

    I will check w/ others on the team to see if we can confirm he is in the yearbook, the City Directory, etc., what his rank and unit was..I will email you privately when I learn more...

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, May 10, 2013  

  • I really believe what happened in Roswell is a UFO crush. There is no doubt that aliens exist and I don't know why governments want to hide that. We are prepare for those creatures and the truth about their existence. There is a interesting video about Roswell on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOKkNR6ysBY with a lot of facts and experiments.

    By Blogger UFO_fanatic, at Saturday, October 26, 2013  

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