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Friday, April 26, 2013

Roswell's Balloons (and they're not Mogul)


A paper from December 1947 outlines what happened to meteorological balloons in the Roswell event time-frame.

David Rudiak and other Roswell-oriented researchers have provided reams of defensive material about how the Roswell incident couldn't involve Mogul balloons.

But in this paper here, Mogul balloons were not what made up the Brazel debris. The balloon pieces found were meteorological balloon bits and pieces.


N.B. The references to Clarke and Korff in this 1947 abstract are not Brit researcher David Clarke nor infamous UFO gadfly Kal Korff.



  • ..I totally resent your gratuitous "gadfly Korff" smear!!!!!

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • It's a compliment...Aristophanes called Socrates a gadfly.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • CB Moore has said that the debris collected and the location found matches that of balloon train #4.

    "Moore makes a strong case for the hypothesis that NYU Flight #4, which he helped launch on June 4, 1947, was the source of the debris Brazel found on the Foster ranch, and therefore the source of the “Roswell Incident” itself. Many of the materials used in Flight 4 bear striking similarities to pieces of the Roswell debris. ... Moore says the configuration for Flight 4 was quite similar to that shown. The large octahedral objects at top left and bottom middle are radar reflectors, which were used for tracking. Several small aluminum rings for handling the lines are indicated; the “payload” (a sonobuoy) was supported by slightly larger rings. The cluster of neoprene sounding balloons extended for hundreds of feet in flight."


    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • Forget Mogul....it was not the debris!


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • We have been down this road a gazillion times.

    Brazel's debris was concomitant with the Roswell incident but was only a messy coincidence.

    Don't confuse Brazel's balloon material with the real Roswell event.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • Zoam posted this comment which I inadvertently deleted, using my cell phone to handle it:

    "Yes, I knew what this was about of course, but this great revelation is so long in coming.

    Not that the NYU article has anything to do with that, or tells us anything about the balloon-train debris positively identified by CB Moore as a Mogul balloon. (g)"

    I don't want to get back into the Brazel/Mogul thing....even indirectly as that will bring forth the Roswell maniacs arguing about it all over again.

    The abstract I've provided provides the answer to the Brazel junk.

    And that's that!


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • What are you getting at?
    The flights described in the paper are the same as those given in the massive USAF Roswell Report (I cannot be bothered now to look up the details again).

    Also flight 11, given as on July 7, is the same one as given in the book that started off the whole idiotic saga: THE ROSWELL INCIDENT. There is even a diagram of it, and a photograph, supplied to authors Berlitz & Moore by Charles Moore.

    So what does this paper establish? Anything that we didn't already know?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

  • The point Christopher is that the balloons involved have nothing to do with Mogul.

    Mogul shouldn't even be discussed, as no Mogul balloon was gathered by Brazel or the Army Air Force.

    The debris consisted of meteorological balloons -- those defined in the abstract.

    Rudiak and you skeptical fellows keep going on about Mogul when Mogul isn't connected to the faux Brazel incident or the real Roswell incident, which is about to come to a head.

    Mogul merely muddies the waters.

    It's the worst kind of ref herring; one that is used by both sides to keep the debate going.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, April 26, 2013  

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