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Sunday, April 07, 2013

The only UFO sighting/event that affected Human Destiny

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In the whole of the UFO and UFO-like litany of sightings and events, there is only one that has affected human evolution or social evolution: the 312 A.D. appearance of a flaming cross during a battle near the Roman Milvian (or Mulvian) Bridge.

That sighting, by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, helped establish the Holy Roman Catholic Church or religion, which controlled the lives and activities of Western civilization’s humankind, up until the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

While UFO enthusiasts think that Roswell or Kenneth Arnold’s iconic flying saucer sighting of 1947 are important or purposeful in the human scheme of things, neither are.

No UFO or flying saucer related activity has caused a ripple in the ongoing movement of mankind, forward or backward; that is, no UFO event or sighting has been or is relevant to what happens inside the human continuum – except for that 312 sighting of Constantine’s.

But who or what precipitated that sighting?

In our God Game thesis or The Divine Matrix hypothesis, one can ascribed the sighting to the gods (or God if you wish), or to a natural, intelligent physical force that has worked within the Earth’s evolutionary cycles from the beginning.

Or was it a perverse insert by that which some UFO mavens wrongfully name the Trickster – a designation we find egregiously ignorant and woefully unimaginative.

That it was a game ploy by the demonic side of the divine being – the Evil side of God as Jung would have it?

Or was it a salvational prop from God as religious types believe? (We are open to the possibility.)

In the God Game. UFOs are irrelevant, but are present, as sidebars or footnotes of an inconsequential kind.

We’ll deploy our thinking on the matter as we go along here….

RRRGroup

19 Comments:

  • You are correct, Rich, if and only if Roswell (assuming it happened) did not start a chain of national security measures which have snow-balled up to the present and fundamentally changed the nature of government in the U.S. Now I'm not saying that UFO secrecy is the only explanation for the massive growth and power of the military/intelligence community since 1947. But if researchers like Rich Dolan and others are correct, UFO events and UFO secrecy have contributed mightly to turning our tenuous Republic into a "national security state." As important as that 3rd century (alleged) sighting? Probably not, but to those of us who value liberty, certainly very worthy of our attention.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • The problem is that we have absolutely no idea whether the "sighting" actually happened, or whether it was just some clever PR by Constantine to fire up his troops (which seems more likely).

    And so it goes...

    PK

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • Dominick...

    You are right to cite that influence and direction of the government but, for us and for me such influences (exampled throughout history) are quantum in nature, almost insignificant --almost.

    In human evolution, social evolution, such cabals and secret machinations end up being diverted or changed by something wholly unexpected, as the JFK assassination or the assassination of Julius Caesar, or any number of other seemingly minor events one can conjure up inside the vicissitudes of history.

    Even the 70 year long hold on Russia by the Communists -- a real
    national security state -- didn't have a long-lasting impact; Russian society is back to what it would have been under the Czars.

    So, yes, your concern is laudable, as it was when I was a John Birch Section Leader, but it is small beans in the great scheme of things.

    RR


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • Paul,

    Whether metaphorical or real, the result is the same.

    Later UFO events, Roswell et al., whether actual or mythical, were not and are not a contributing factor for humankind.

    That's part of the "game."

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • ...I, given my background, have always thought of the flying "flaming" cross account as akin to a straight wing planform polished aluminium B-17 reflecting a low-angle orangish solar disc, somehow projected back down the flow of time.....

    (there is likely an old SciFi short story out there somewhere that uses a device like this...)

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • sort of like a straight wing planform reflecting a rising or setting sun?:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planform

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • Good article, interesting point.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • Unlike Fatima, the "vision" was seems to have been seen only by Constantine. I don't buy it as a UFO, but maybe rather a moment of inspiration prompted by a sun dog or some other atmospheric phenomenon. Musings about adopting Christianity were likely already going on in Constantine's brain prior to his great “Aha!” moment. After all, Christianity had shown itself to be a growing movement for which many adherents were gladly willing to give their lives.

    I don't think it would take a very great leap to make the connection that having that level of devotion on his side would be a great weapon against his enemies as well as a powerful force to bind his empire together. Constantine seems to have been a smart enough cookie to have figured this out on his own.

    In fact, I think the story of the flaming cross is merely apocryphal.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Sunday, April 07, 2013  

  • Apocryphal, like Roswell, PG?

    If Constantine's vision was only his alone, I would assume that his troops would have linked him to the likes of the demented Nero or Caligula.

    That aside, the story, as I indicated to Paul, of a sighting that we would call UFO-like, brought about the change I'm discussing.

    No UFO sighting or similar vision, hallucinatory, concocted, or real, brought about any such significant change in the human condition -- not Roswell, not Ezekiel's, not Arnold's, nada.

    I'm surprised that you miss the point.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • I don't accept the flaming cross story as fact. The Church invented PR and did it better than anyone ever has since. And that's where the flaming cross story belongs -- PR.

    The idea of "UFO" is something you're assigning to a religious fable 1700 years after the fact. It's a concept foreign to that time and culture. You're projecting backward a current symbol that's both irrelevant and inapplicable to those times.

    Constantine was an opportunist who saw Christianity as his ticket out of a very hard place. And it worked for him. He was an intelligent man who took a well-calculated risk and it paid off. That it ultimately changed the whole world was an unintended consequence.

    I see no parallels whatsoever to Roswell, which is the obsession of a handful of aged adolescents stuck in a 1950s science fiction time warp.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • Sorry PG...

    You are wrong here.

    The flaming cross was tantamount to bringing dying Christianity back to life.

    That is may be counted as a UFO-like sighting or event is clear, whether PR or not.

    Without that singular "sighting," Christianity would have died along with the cult of Mithras and other
    belief systems of the Roman world's rabble.

    Constantine didn't know or see the potential of a Christian-based Roman society; that would be a prescience he didn't have.

    The cross was seen by him and his men; it turned the tide of battle and established a template for the gods and men to play with.

    Constantine couldn't have picked a lousier cult to establish his reign and legacy: Christians were scum.

    Now if the cross thing is a fable, as you propose, it was not unlike Roswell or Aztec, or any other UFO event or sighting, which are likewise fraught with a fable-like patina.

    My point is that Constantine's cross altered where humankind was going.

    No other UFO sighting, cross or otherwise, has done so.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • I'll split the middle here. PG is right, in that most historians who specialize in ancient history view the story of the cross in the sky as apocryphal, and more likely invented after the battle as before. It was the result of a complex set of calculations and circumstances, and not nearly as simplistic as Rich would suggest.

    However, that doesn't change the fact that the story was almost certainly believed, at least by the majority of people at the time, and that belief did indeed influence events, although not nearly to the extent that Rich posits. Still, I think it can be fairly (if simplistically) said that the story of something seen in the sky, which we can reasonably call a "UFO" in the broadest definition, did have some influence on the course of events... and I have to agree that it's the only time in history that I can think of where this was the case, although I'm sure there have been others of which I am unaware.

    Pk

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • Thanks Paul...

    As you are an historian, I accept your view.

    However -- I always have an however -- the consensus, among the materials I have on Constantine, seem to indicate that the cross was seen and recorded by others.

    (I'll cite the references when I can get to them.)

    But your point that the "tale" -- whether real or not -- helped alter history, in a profound way, is what I'm driving at.

    There are no other like events -- an evanescent image in the sky, imagined or contrived or real, that helped bring about a sea-change in humanities social evolution.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • "Although Eusebius says that Constantine saw a vision in the sky, Lactantius says it was a dream."

    Lactantius:

    Constantine was directed in a dream to cause the heavenly sign to be delineated on the shields of his soldiers, and so to proceed to battle. He did as he had been commanded, and he marked on their shields the letter X, with a perpendicular line drawn through it and turned round thus at the top (P), being the cipher of CHRISTOS. Having this sign, his troops stood to arms.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • "There are two other versions of the events of that day, both written closer in time to the actual events, neither of which refer to a vision, and one of which was written by Eusebius himself. Eusebius’s first account appears in his Ecclesiastical History (c325). Here, the battle is described in somewhat myst­ical terms, the hand of God being more visible than the sword of Constantine. Maxentius is accused of sorcery, but there is no mention of a vision or a dream.[4]

    The final account is that of Lactant­ius. In his book On the Death of the Persecutors, he writes: “Constantine was directed in a dream to cause the heavenly sign to be delineated on the shields of his soldiers, and so to proceed to battle.”[5]

    No mention of any vision. But note the use of the phrase “heavenly sign” – usually taken to mean the Chi-Rho monogram. Could Eusebius have interpreted this as a “sign” actually seen “in the heavens”? For despite his claiming that Constantine saw a vision, there is simply no mention of it anywhere else, not even in his own works. Only the Life, written some time after Constantine’s death, mentions it. "

    http://www.forteantimes.com/features/commentary/5509/constantines_vision.html

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • Our friend Parakletos clarifies the issue considerably.

    Paul Stephenson, in his splendid biography, Constantine: Roman Emperor, Christian Victor [The Overlook Press, NY, 2009, Page 134 ff.] recounts the events of Milvian Bridge and how the alleged sighting (or dream) played out in the time period.

    Lactantius, a Christian historian, is a critical factor in how the "omen" was used to further the cause of Christianity.

    But, as Paul Kimball, has gently pointed out, the matter is rather complex, not as simple as I have made it.

    Yet, the image, -- "caeleste signum dei" -- must be considered UFO-like; it represents one more example of what was used to explain visions of a heavenly nature, whether real or imagined.

    (See Vall/Aubeck's Wonders in the Sky for myriad examples.)

    For me, that image -- dream, hallucinatory, propagandistic, or real -- is the sole example of a UFO or UFO-like configuration bringing about, or helping to, transformational change in humanities social evolution.

    No other UFO story, event, sighting, or hoax has done so.

    Roswell, the Arnold sighting, and all the other ballyhooed sightings in UFO lore lie dormant, and without consequence in the life of humanity -- except for the rabid UFO enthusiasts who persist in trying to convince others that their obsession is important and relevant.

    It isn't, and it never has been, except once in 312 A.D.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • I tend to agree with Parakletos, as the version that I had always known was Constantine dreaming (vision?) and being told to paint the symbols on the shields thus guaranteeing a victory in battle.

    I'm a big "fan" of Eusebius, but he had a knack of being overly dramatic at times.





    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • If you look deeply into Constantine, his mother was not surprisingly, a great influence who, in turn, was deeply influenced by the Jesus Movement. All of this in historical context fits into the survival ( reinvention) of the Roman Empire that attempted to ride on the coattails of the movement after the panoply of Gods had obviously deserted and left the Emperor's to corrupt themselves. As a political move used time immemorial since by even the Pope's Armies that slaughtered that is to cloak ambition with a moral cause. God is on our side boys! Rally round the flag and praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Propaganda knows no bounds when it comes to lunacy cloaked as righteousness.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

  • BTW..his mother was officially declared a Saint as if to blur these distinctions further. I forgot about that routine.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 08, 2013  

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