UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, June 15, 2013

Again -- The Socorro Insignia (or symbol)

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The clue to what Police Officer Lonnie Zamora experienced in Socorro in 1964 lies in the red-colored insignia he saw and drew,

Unfortunately there are two symbols extant that purport to be what he saw:



The second symbol, above, is said by Ray Stanford and others to be the real symbol.

The first, and better known symbol, is said by Stanford and others to be a ruse by the Air Force Captain on the scene to prevent someone from coming forward claiming to have seen the real symbol: the inverted V with three stripes through it.

(I asked Mrs. Zamora, when I talked with here in 2005, which symbol was what her husband actually saw. She indicated it was the "one with the half-circle above an arrow with a line under it.")

Most UFO buffs accept the common symbol as the one seen and authenticated by Officer Zamora as the insignia he saw on the side of  the egg-shaped craft.

We have scoured magazines, books, and the internet for several years, looking for a such a symbol spotted in other UFO sightings, especially those that were of egg-shaped UFOs,

The only thing that was similar -- to the "supposed real symbol" (the first one above) -- was this symbol seen by Gary Chopic in Simi Valley California, in 1973:


Not anywhere close to the common symbol or insignia and only slightly similar to the supposed real symbol.

This means, for me, that Officer Zamora's insignia was and is unique. It is a one-of-a-kind insignia.

And that indicates that the episode or 1964 event was a unique and/or one-of-a-kind event.

This goes to Tony Bragalia's hoax scenario -- where The New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology created a fireworks/balloon array to fool Officer Zamora whom they disliked because he allegedly picked on them.

The students created the symbol to mark their endeavor but I can find no connection with anything at their school or organizations that point to a creative hoax.

No, as much as Mr. Bragalia has marshaled material supporting his view, I find it wanting for a number of reasons, mostly to do with the departure of the craft -- the speed and height.

Yes, that departure is flummoxed by Officer Zamora losing his glasses and vision during the departure, which opens the door to Mr. Bragalia's hoax scenario, but others saw the craft flying overhead and Officer Zamora, even with poor vision, temporarily, would unlikely mistake a balloon tethered to some fireworks for a craft speeding away towards the mountains.....however.

All that aside, I and the RRRGroup maintain, still and continuously, that the explanation for the 1964 Socorro event lies in that damn insignia -- either one of them if you will.



  • Just as an aside, the first symbol as a representation of the identity of the craft or purpose is the only sample that could represent a sort of representation of a earthly connection, as I imagine it could be.
    The bottom character could be a representation of a vertical launch basis. The middle symbol could indicate vertical flight in relation to the bottom symbol and the uppermost character could represent the envelope of the atmosphere, where the arrow is indicating it's destination.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 15, 2013  

  • BTW..The second symbol down could represent that this craft is the third launch of it's type. The bottom set of characters are impossible for me to "play with."

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 15, 2013  

  • Bruce,

    I don't think it's a matter of interpretation.

    The symbol belongs to something or someone.

    I've argued, here at this blog and the RRRGroup blog, that it's too Earthly to be extraterrestrial.

    Matt Gilleece has provided for us:


    a Hughes Tooloc/Aircraft business card of Howard Hughes that mimics with his logo the Zamora symbol (the arc above symbol).

    Matt's argument is fecund but still unconvincing to ET advocates.

    There is a paper company whose logo mimics the arc above symbol of Zamora's drawing, this coinciding with the Indiana University engineer's story that he read a 1968 magazine story outlining a ballooning mishap near Socorro during the company's promotional foray in 1964.

    That idea has been savaged several times at UFO UpDates by the ET crowd.

    (We and that engineer have spent countless hours looking for the article, online and off, to no avail.)

    I have also provided, online here, symbols that engineering and computer geeks at Hughes Toolco and Aircraft might have used to cite their engineering feat for their boss -- our lunar lander hypothesis.

    Many very like the Zamora arc-above symbol.

    The idea is anathema to the ET crowd and some skeptics too.

    While one can conjecture as to what the symbol means, it's provenance is what we seek.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, June 15, 2013  

  • Another unsolvable mystery. But, that's Ufology. It always comes down to what someone fervently wants to believe, not what anyone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    No matter if an explanation for Socorro is finally uncovered, it will be rejected by the factions invested in other explanations.

    I see all three scenarios as possible, but only one, really, is the most likely.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Saturday, June 15, 2013  

  • Just an observation - the second symbol could be construed as occult. The three lines (no. 3 being important) crossing through an open triangle. This may or may not have meaning.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Sunday, June 16, 2013  

  • Appreciate your detective work Rich to try to get to the bottom of this. There are other alternatives though to either a hoax, a prototype experimental lander craft of some kind of an ET craft re the symbol.

    I will explain what I mean (this is unfortunately a bit long, but unavoidable, so in 2 posts)...

    Let's consider looking at it from a psychological/sociological angle (one could even go beyond that into a more way out paranormal/occult explanation, but one in which human psychology is paramount). Let's say for argument's sake that what Zamora saw was the first symbol, as appears to be the case.

    Then one just needs to interpret the symbol according to the dynamics of human psychology, and let us be prepared to go into Jungian symbolism here, archetypes, that kind of thing, and thus for argument's sake take into account the admittedly controversial notion of a collective unconscious. That is what Zamora saw would need to be appreciated at a symbolic and figurative level, not only in terms of his own personal psychology, but in terms of society's.

    The symbol of the arrow and vertical line beneath could easily be interpreted as a tree and the half circle about it, a symbol for the sky, the celestial sphere. In other words, it could be construed as nature symbolism (the tree could also be seen religiously as the Tree of Life/Knowledge). If this was an authentic UFO event (whatever the hell that actually means!), and if UFO events are some kind of interface between Nature and the Mind of Humanity, then we have an alternative explanation for the Zamora sighting. That is if we interpret ufology according to a theory of the collective unconscious and its interface with nature. We don't even have to go that far (I just choose to), we can arguably keep it within the mundane psychological/sociological hypothesis.

    Interpreting the Zamora sighting in this way is consistent with Jung's own ideas on UFOs. So what Zamora saw was just a hi-tech manifestation or dramatization of the 'World Soul/Animus Mundi' or if that makes you wince too much, the archetypes or symbols of the personal unconscious adapted and molded to fit into the times of the modern space age. Such an interpretation fits in with the admittedly unorthodox thinking on ufology over the decades from the likes of John Keel, Vallee, Hilary Evans, Jenny Randles, Patrick Harpur, George Hansen, Peter Rojcewicz and plenty others of course. Naturally there is considerable disagreement among them, changing ideas etc. However the point is that if ufology is an authentic mystery that cannot be answered by positing ET, then in principle its solution does not lie within orthodox and conventional science.

    By Blogger Lawrence, at Monday, June 17, 2013  

  • Second post, continuing where I left off...

    Zamora may have had an encounter with the rare, albeit extraordinary 'daimonic' manifestation of Nature, for humanity's 'benefit' and dramatized according to the conditioning and belief patterns of the particular society and individual concerned (the individual experient being inseparable from his community). In other words, if Zamora had been a cop on the beat in the 18th, even 19th century rather than the 1960s, he would have stumbled upon green garbed fairies who would have fled from him in a fairy carriage of some sort.

    The nature 'Tree of Life' logo/symbol on the Zamora craft is there to announce this is something from nature, from supernature even; because paradoxically such a symbol appears on a craft that defies and even runs counter to the natural world, the craft a symbol of advanced industry. Yet it's important to recognize (according to this hypothesis) that the 'spacecraft' itself is also a symbol. Appearances here are deceiving, yet let us not overlook the Trickster here, something I think fundamental to ufology. The paradoxical, or contradictory symbolism of the Zamora craft (the nature symbol, if that's what it is in contrast to the post-industrial spacecraft on which the 'logo' appears) has its own transcendent or higher symbolism and meaning. Namely the paradox of man, man an aspect of nature, dependent on nature, awed by it and yet at war with nature, shaping his own society that tends toward nature destroying industry and *alienation* from nature. The fact that we are so ready to interpret the Zamora event along mundane lines (either an ET craft or a man-made one) only evidences man's alienation from nature and supernature, our tunnel vision in our bleak post-industrial landscape.

    According to this sociological/collective unconscious and/or paranormal hypothesis (sorry to be so clumsy here) of the Zamora sighting, it has to be appreciated and understood according to dream logic. Zamora's sighting was a waking dream as it were. That doesn't mean I am saying it was a hallucination as is commonly understood, nor am I saying it couldn't have physical effects or traces in the physical world. I am not saying it wasn't real. On the contrary what Zamora saw was not only real, it was radically real. The whole ontology and phenomenology thing, the paranormal...

    By Blogger Lawrence, at Monday, June 17, 2013  

  • Thank you Lawrence...

    I cannot disagree.

    I actually am about to flesh out my God Game thing which allows for the "trickster" idea, but on a different plane.

    The evolution of humankind plays out at the whim of the gods but, on occasion, an immature entity inserts itself into the human mix.

    That entity isn't disruptive, just annoying to those paying close attention to the minutiae of human life....in this case UFOs.

    Zamora and Socorro may well have been one of those infantile intrusions.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, June 17, 2013  

  • Is there any evidenced at all to back up Ray Stanford's claim that the triangle + three lines is the "real" symbol that Zamora saw and, presumably? How does he account for the drawings, all of which are of the arrow/circle symbol which is so similar to the Hughes logo I found?

    Incidentally - I'm still not used to being referenced as if I'm a bona fide UFO researcher... ;)

    By Blogger Matt G. (NYC), at Thursday, June 20, 2013  

  • Matthew:

    You did a magnificent piece on the Hughes logo, tying it to the Socorro symbol plausibly.

    As for Stanford you might see Paul Kimball's comment in my post about Richard Hall.

    Paul provides an anecdote that tells us what one should expect from Mr. Stanford.

    The inverted V with three lines through it was dismissed by Mrs. Zamora when I talked with her by phone a few years ago.

    That clinched the arrow with an arc above it as the insignia that her husband saw.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, June 20, 2013  

  • ok here's my tuppence worth - it's a waste of time, regardless of the truth of the incident. At some point our race will need to be able to travel further than the nearest planets if it is going to survive, and the only way of doing that is by developing something that we don't currently possess. You either believe that we will be able to do that or you don't. If you believe we will then we'll be the little green men so whats the big deal if it was or wasn't a UFO ?

    By Blogger Digiface, at Monday, January 26, 2015  

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