UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, June 28, 2013

PurrlGurrl's Venn Diagram

Taking the challenge of producing a Venn Diagram which could be used to clarify the UFO controversy, our regular, PurrlGurrl, provided this:


Click HERE to see it full-scale on your computer monitor.



  • So, in other words, PG believes that no UFO reports are made by honest, (i.e., non-deceptive) unimpaired individuals, competent to distinguish what they are seeing from alternative explanations?

    By Blogger Larry, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • Isn't her Venn diagram the wrong way round? The generic term 'UFO' denotes the whole field of sightings, landings, abductions etc. Therefore it is the UNION of all the categories, not the intersection.

    This means 'UFO' encompasses the whole diagram, not just the small central area.

    At least that is how I envisage it.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • I think PG's Venn diagram is a good representation of the linkages that surround key events as reviewed in this venue. The only qualifier I could add would have been to focus on the theoretical basis of conceptual modeling rather than single events.
    Yesterday there was a synchronicity via a post at the Reality Sandwich website,that dovetails into this terrain as though it intentionally planned to detail the resulting psychological role playing depicted in PG's diagram, which I made a commentary upon within my own venue at Transit of Contingencies. The psychological framework of some in the "UFO" community adds to this portrait PG outlined.
    Well done.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • I tend to agree with Bruce, PURRLGURRL's Venn diagram points to a nice psychological component for the argument.

    Larry, I see no hint that PG ruled out "honest unimpaired individuals." You seem to think that its implied? Most alleged sightings appear to be from those that are honest and unimpaired, at least that's how I view it. PG indirectly adds context, which tends to be sorely missing in our arguments.


    Tim H.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • Tim Wrote:

    "Larry, I see no hint that PG ruled out "honest unimpaired individuals."

    But I can't see any place on her diagram that allows that possibility. Her diagram seems to be saying that all UFO reports are the result of either misidentification, deception, or impairment or, in the center of the diagram, all 3 factors simultaneously.

    I will submit my own Venn diagram to show you what I mean.

    By Blogger Larry, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • Hey, it represents only my viewpoint. You're all free to have viewpoints of your own.

    Remember, it's Ufology so none of us are right or correct because none of us can prove a damn thing (although some of us delude ourselves that we can). It's just all supposition and speculation.

    Thanks to RR for spurring me to brush up on my Powerpoint.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • And a fine viewpoint it is PG!

    Empires rise and fall on the wings of delusions...well sometimes.

    Tim H

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, June 28, 2013  

  • PurrlGurrl, Where would you place yourself in your Venn Diagram?

    I ask because I remember you mentioning your own UFO sighting in a comment on Mike Clelland's Hidden Experience blogspot.


    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Saturday, June 29, 2013  

  • Frankly, I really don't know what I saw. I can't define it based on anything stored in my cranial database. So by strict definition it was an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Does that mean it was an alien spacecraft or that I believe it was? Hell, no. Do I think I might have seen a rare natural phenomenon that I've never encountered before? That's a possibility.

    I was wearing my glasses, was wide awake and alert, and had ingested no alcohol or chemical substances within the week.

    Do I think I was hallucinating? No, but how do I prove I wasn't? I turned and drove away from what I saw and didn't see it through the windshield anymore, but rather disappearing in the rear view mirrors. Does that indicate I wasn't hallucinating or having a psychotic episode? I was alone so I don't think it does.

    Am I lying? No, but how do I prove I'm not when I was alone in the dark in a rural area with no other cars around? There's no corroboration so I could be.

    Did I report it to anyone? No. Any report to authorities would have been filed and forgotten as well as a waste of taxpayer money. Any report to a UFO Website would have been labeled an alien spacecraft sighting with no proof whatsoever.

    I saw a round, very bright light, slowly changing colors over a large farm field where no farm lights are installed or equipment routinely parked. It wasn't a crop duster because it was at a dead stop when I first saw it. It looked like it might have been as high as maybe a five story building, but there are no buildings in that field. The height is purely a guess based on what I know of the surrounding terrain.

    I spotted it after driving around a curve. I stopped the car and watched as it started to move very slowly across the field changing from red to orange to blue to white and repeating the sequence. It passed in front of the hills on the far side of the field that I could see outlined behind it so I know it could have been no more than five miles away, and it was lighting the underside of the clouds above.

    It was silent. There was no wind or other noise that I could hear with the motor off and the window rolled down, again confirming to me it wasn't a crop duster. They make a hell of a racket, and here they don't fly at night. And to head off black helicopter/cattle mutilation speculation, that field is used strictly for crops, never for grazing, and there are no cows kept nearby.

    I watched the light for a few minutes and then drove away because I got spooked being alone in the dark. Maybe if I stayed longer I might have discovered what is really was or maybe it would have remained a mystery. Who's to say?

    Did my car engine sputter and die? No. I turned it off to listen. Have I received any telepathic messages about saving mankind or the planet? No. Did seeing this profoundly change my life? No. It unnerved me for about a day is all. Have I seen anything like it again? No. Do I expect I will ever see anything like it again? No.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Wednesday, July 10, 2013  

  • Your response to the "UFO sighting" is not unlike my own -- I've had three over the years:

    A skittering light in the night sky (witnessed by a group of kids and me).

    The 1953 orange bar in the Detroit sky, reported by media and Fate magazine.

    And a 1970s v-shaped flight of glowing or dull gray objects in the early morning sky (in Indiana).

    I found the sightings slightly exiting and interesting but ended up, like you, merely observing the things -- only calling a Detroit newspaper about the skittering light(s) -- the paper didn't care.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, July 11, 2013  

  • > PG believes that no UFO reports are made by honest, (i.e., non-deceptive) unimpaired individuals, competent to distinguish what they are seeing from alternative explanations?

    Larry, that is a huge non-sequitar. I have read several reports where honest, competent, unimpaired people see chinese lanterns but will say they are non-human craft because, even after they've been told of a nearby lantern release.

    Their reasoning:

    1) they don't resemble earth craft: "There’s nothing I’ve ever seen that comes close to this. It goes to show that we are not in charge."

    2) they don't make any sound: "Anything we have that flies makes noise."

    3) they appear to fly in formation (therefore, intelligently controlled): "There is no way these were Chinese lanterns. Some people will say that, I’m sure, but that is not what we saw. What we saw were moving in an intelligent kind of direction. They were going in a trajectory. They weren’t moving up. These were moving across, side to side."

    These are actual quotes (see links).



    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Friday, August 02, 2013  

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