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Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Piling On……Kevin Randle

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Why have we (the regulars to this blog and me) vented our spleens so vehemently over Paul Kimball’s podcast with Kevin Randle, hitting Mr. Randle from all sides?

Are we angry with Paul?

Some are, because he didn’t broach the “new evidence rumor” that I’ve played with here.

And some want Paul to be nasty, like other podcast and online forum or “radio” hosts.

But that’s not Paul’s style.

Paul Kimball is a true Canadian; a moderate, sensible polite guy whose smarter than most of us, and who keeps a temperate demeanor -- except when it comes to Gene Steinberg and Don Schmitt perhaps.

Paul conducted a revealing interview with Mr. Randle, asking the right question and summing up the current Roswell status for most UFO buffs.

PurrlGurrl provides the best counter, in her comment for the posting, to those who would give Paul an elbow.

So, are we out to nail Mr. Randle for the past Roswell gaffes that he and other UFO researchers have made, which has created the Roswell mess?

Yes, that’s part of it, but not all of it.

At this blog resides those who know there is something new in the works that seems to pertain to Roswell but Mr. Randle refuses to address this alleged new thing.

And I know why…

Mr. Randle and his Dream Team have been made privy to a “startling” item that could, supposedly, bring Roswell back into the UFO spotlight, in an interesting, dynamic way.

But the Dream Team doesn’t have permission to provide that “evidence” and are in a legal bind, some of them, that doesn’t allow disclosure without a litigious fall-out.

Moreover, the Dream Team wants to disclose the rumored “evidence” in a way that doesn’t besmirch it, before its significance is rendered properly: all the vetting that needs to be completed to make sure the “thing” is what it purports to be.

Mr. Randle, not talking about this new thing, irks some visitors here, me among them.

But you can see that it is an iffy proposition at this point in the renewed Roswell game.
So we are left to quibble over Mr. Randle’s regurgitation of the Ramey memo, which has been the providence of David Rudiak, one of the Dream Team members.

Mr. Rudiak is an avid ET proponent of the UFO ET hypothesis, and he believes, wholeheartedly, that an extraterrestrial flying saucer crashed near Roswell and the Army covered up the story, smothered the event with circumlocutions of many kinds.

So part of our pique is with Mr. Randle playing up Mr. Rudiak’s, wacky some say, Ramey memo content.

(I’ve addressed Mr. Randle’s statement in Paul’s podcast, about the supposed rendering of this part of the Ramey memo: “the victims of the crash.” That could refer, if legitimate, to an Earthian airplane crew or some people on the ground, not an ET contingent.)

And many don’t like it that Mr. Randle is tethered to Don Schmitt, a fellow with a set of UFO luggage that has never smelled right. (Mr. Schmitt is a Dream Team member.)

Also, some of us are vexed by Mr. Randle trotting out the names of Roswell ne’er-do-wells who are better forgotten that revived: Frank Kaufmann for one and Glenn Dennis for another.)

But what makes us go after Mr. Randle, primarily, is his status as a Roswell expert, even with his admitted mistakes over the years.

We want to nail Mr. Randle for those mistakes, even though he has apologized for them and the Dream Team’s instigation is partly to address and correct those mistakes.

These are some of the reasons we have piled on Kevin Randle, but not all.

One wordy regular here hates it that Mr. Randle uses as his online presence a photo of himself in a military uniform….to provide some kind of honorable cachet?

And a few regulars are just naturally snarky; they attack everything and everybody. It’s in their nature to be unforgiving of human frailty and/or human flaws, even little ones.

So, we’ve given Kevin Randle a kick in the shins here, even though many of us like and admire him.

That’s what we do at his blog. No one is safe from opprobrium, me included…but I control the comments so wayward attacks about me don’t see the light of day.

I feel a little badly that Paul’s podcast opened the door to a Randle-bashing but he (Mr. Randle) is a battle-scarred UFO and military veteran. He can handle whatever we throw at him surely.

Now who’s next?



  • The rumor swirling around the "new evidence" (that it can't be released because permission to do so has been refused, there will be litigation if it is, blah, blah, blah) has the strong aroma of Eau de BS, and it appears to wafting in from the direction of said "evidence".

    If the Dream Team ever does publish its "research" in a book, it has to hold something back in order to sell the thing when it's finally in print. Duh.

    Going out on a limb here, I predict whatever the "evidence" is, after the book comes out it will be regarded as highly questionable and will do nothing to finally prove Roswell was an ET event.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • Ah, so we are back to the non-disclosure agreement, something which was categorically denied by all concerned when last it was broached.

    Of course even if one were disposed to believe anyone could be mad enough to sign such an agreement in relation to the matter at hand, the greater madness would be to believe it would be legally enforceable.

    If Randle wants his secrecy then there must be a quid prod quo with him refraining from offering up Roswell fag-ends in blog posts and interviews.

    Lastly, is it really a good idea for the job of securing a potentially hugely significant piece of the Roswell story to be left to egregious bunglers who leave in their wake a trail of Roswell related mea culpas? And if it is merely a matter of lucre, then there are benefactors with a long-term interest in this topic who should be made aware of these developments.

    By Blogger Ross, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • Please stop with all of this folks...if you ever want disclosure and the results of our investigation-stop this now.

    I am frankly stunned at why anybody here feels they are "owed" an update on this? Why? Who are you to insist this of us?

    Evidence must be vetted, no? So give us the time to do so.

    Frankly I am stunned at RR, PK, and others who are trying to "out" the evidence before it is ready. Why?

    Pile on KR? You must be kidding. For what reason?

    You all can make assumptions, comments, etc. but until you get on the phone and make the research calls and until you spend your own time and money in pursuit of this as KR and I and others have done- hold your tongues- you have no right to demand anything from us.


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

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    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • I've written to Mr. Bragalia who obviously didn't read my posting very well, coming to a totally opposite view of what was in it and what was meant.

    Paul Kimball stayed away from the "rumor" item -- diligently -- and made that abundantly clear in his comments.

    And I have skirted the issue, but will present a full-blown account if I keep getting accused of disclosing something that the Dream Team wishes to keep secret.

    I have three sources for the "rumor" and I'll use their info if I have to.

    Mr. Bragalia's allegiance to the Dream Team is troublesome for me.

    Truth being set aside for some kind of camaraderie.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • As I said, two of the consortium have already published their findings in their recent book on Area 51. This is while the Dream Team are, supposedly, still investigating the new evidence.

    May we take the Area 51 book as a partial revelation of what the DT are eventually going to tell us? Or is this book quite separate from the DT's investigations?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • As far as whats his face is concerned, the damage is done and anyone with a modicum of common sense knows he was the guy up front waving this flag along with the infotainment corporate media. As a wordy guy, I thought the cammo as a fashion statement was disconcerting as a mindset, and thats as far as I care to go. Frankly I don't give much thought to him or the others.
    1. There are no experts.
    2. Roswell is a footnote, not the story.
    3. It's a conspiracy theory and not a theory as to the nature of the phenomenon.

    Whats his face needs an audience, needs attention, wants to be the man who pulled a rabbit out of a hat. I am sure he's a nice guy, but thats beside the point..If I stirred up a bunch of rubbish, what would I expect? To be crowned?. He put himself there. Treat him with kid gloves to be politically correct? Paul did a great job, as best he could. It seems the expectation levels don't match the potential import of something that has not gone anywhere for decades.
    I honestly do not understand the interest in this pathetic saga.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • CDA-

    Yes, the Area 51 book by TC and DS is in part resultant from renewed Roswell investigation. In it you will find new information including the confession of famous mathematician Dr. Knox Missaps and the confession of the grandfather of Ben Hansen (of the SyFy's Fact or Faked series.) More on the memory metal is included as well.

    In the past two months alone I have released articles on the Roswell Base photographers and on the hangar guard order to shoot to kill.

    KR and DR have re-examined the Mogul theory and the Ramey Memo is undergoing even more scrutiny.

    So you all have been updated as much as is possible at this point!

    So we are releasing new testimony and witness info and it is available if you look for it.

    At some future date there will, I am sure, be some publication or report from the DT formally- but at this point we are still very much in the midst or our work.

    Why the rush everyone? I hate to break it to everyone- but sometimes such investigations take years- not months.

    Any purported physical evidence will be vetted and tested six ways from Sunday- and may take a very long time to be released.

    We have waited 64 years for the whole Roswell story- whats a couple of more?


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • I had listened to C2C this past weekend where the new Area 51 book was discussed by the authors.

    So what was revealed? Roswell has now shifted to Wright-Patterson AFB, Bldg 18 (not to be confused with Hanger 18, or deliberately confused with Hanger 18, which is near Hanger 23).

    The Wright-Patterson angle is not new, but maybe new names associated with this story has surfaced to take the place of others affiliated with Roswell.

    And this train meanders slowly along twisted and kinked track...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

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    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • Anthony,

    Really? That's the gambit is it? Don't question us or our efforts to bottle unicorn farts may be all for nout.

    Here's a dose of cold hard reality for you Anthony. This is too important (regardless of what it ultimately suggests) for Team Dream to prevaricate whilst raiding their piggie banks in the hope of satisfying the indifferent avarice of the individual(s) in control of this material.

    You aren't going to be the ones to bring it to light, and your jealous guarding of it is infantile.

    By Blogger Ross, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • RRRGroup- I suppose, given the accuracy of PK's observation:

    "The problem is that you want to have it both ways - you want to release what it is convenient for you to release..."

    ...that what we really have here, in the works of Professor Bragalia, is the rise of The Best Roswell "Twerker", Hands Down...

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, August 28, 2013  

  • One might also suggest that the appellation 'Dream Team' was ill-advised if the intention was to keep their investigative efforts low key.

    By Blogger Ross, at Thursday, August 29, 2013  

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    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Thursday, August 29, 2013  

  • Paul,

    The conclusion is the same, but the respective beliefs on which that conclusion is based differ.

    In any event, I doubt or collective ire will cut much ice with those upon whom it has been heaped.

    By Blogger Ross, at Thursday, August 29, 2013  

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    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Thursday, August 29, 2013  

  • Paul,

    A jury provided with all the 'facts' renders a verdict (often an erroneous one) based on their collective belief as to what the evidence shows; and such is the folly of our endeavour too

    As to 'Dream Team', a clear case of indefatigable hubris.

    By Blogger Ross, at Thursday, August 29, 2013  

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