UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, August 16, 2013

The Accuracy of UFO Reports

The Accuracy of UFO Reports

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PurrlGurrl and Kurt Peters observe that we UFO buffs only have UFO accounts/reports, not UFOs themselves, with which to deal or strive to explain; all we have are the reports.

That is basically true (unless one believes that Wright-Patterson Air Base in Dayton, Ohio houses UFO artifacts and remains, the thesis of the Carey/Schmitt book, The Real AREA 51, castigated by me in a review, you might recall).

But are UFO reports to be treated so dismissively?

I don’t think so, and here’s why…

A person who observes a UFO and reports it is subject to an intervention by a UFO organization, police report, or media member.

The report, the initial observation, will, generally, be succinct, pithy to the point of frustration by anyone who wants a precise, thorough accounting, but it will contain a gist of what was seen or experienced, with the salient details.

People aren’t devoid of descriptive talent, and usually accurate as to what was the essence of their observation, even though the consensus is that witness accounts are flawed by the observer’s errant sensory input or biased mind-set.

The gist, no matter what, is usually accurate, however; that is, the basic observation, stripped of errant accretions, is not far from the reality.

The problem with UFO reports is that those taking down the accounts often have a livid bias, one way or another – an ET tendency (MUFON) or an atheistic tendency (the cops).

That bias will end up, subliminally and often overtly, in UFO reports.

(I’ve included examples prior to this posted insert, and you are familiar with many elaborate UFO tales that are marred by falsehoods, erroneous additions, and errors of various kinds.)

But if one can get back to original accounts, by the witnesses themselves – sooner than later – one will have a substantive narrative worthy of exegesis.

(The problem with Roswell, as our skeptical friends continue to tell us, is that witness accounts at his late stage of the story, and even in 1978, are marred by the vicissitudes of memory, age, mental disfigurements of many kinds, and even purposeful confabulations.)

But what if we have pristine renderings, some found in the Vallee/Aubeck book, Wonders in the Sky, or in cave art and ancient clay tablet indentations?

Or what about this:

… I heard a roar and saw a flame in the sky to the southwest some distance away … Flame was bluish and sort of orange, too … Sort of motionless flame. Slowly descending.  … it was a narrow type of flame. It was like a “streamed down” --  funnel type – narrower at the top than at bottom. Flame possibly three degrees or so in width – not wide …
Flame was about twice as wide at bottom than top and about four times as high as top was wide. Did not notice any object at top, did not notice if top of flame was level. Sun was west … Could not see bottom of flame because it was behind the hill.

No smoke noted.

Noise was a roar, not a blast. Not like a jet …

Suddenly noted a shiny type object … Saw two people in white coveralls very close to object. One of these persons seemed to turn and look straight at my car and seemed startled – seemed to quickly jump somewhat.

…Objects [sic] were like aluminum – was whitish against the mesa background, not chrome. Seemed like oval in shape …

… Those persons appeared normal in shape – but possibly they were small adults or large kids .

Object was oval in shape. It was smooth – no windows or doors … noted red lettering of some type. Insignia about two and a half feet wide, guess. Was in middle of object like drawing. Object still like aluminum – white.

…I heard about two or three loud thumps, like someone hammering or shutting a door hard …

… I saw the object going way from me in a southwest direction …

The object seemed to lift up slowly and to get small in the distance very fast …It disappeared as it went over the mountains. It had no flame whatsoever …

I got my pencil and drew a picture of the insignia …

Excerpts of Lonnie Zamora’s Socorro report [1964] from Pages 214-218 in The Hynek UFO Report [Barnes & Noble Books, NY, 1997]

Could there be, is there, a finer UFO report extant? I don’t think so.

This is a pure, credible UFO report.

What it betokens is up for grabs, and has been since 1964, but as a report, it is without equal and a superb piece of “evidence” for the UFO researcher.

UFO not needed. The report is ample enough, and complete enough to allow conjecture and investigatory query.

If all we have are reports like this, or only this one, then Peters’ and PG’s plaint falls on deaf ears. A UFO at hand, while desired perhaps, is not necessary to see that something odd happened in Socorro in 1964. And that something appears (and has appeared) to be of such a queer nature that anyone with an inquisitive mind would see an explanation or, at least, offer a reasoned conjecture or hypothesis as to what Police Officer Zamora saw and reported.

And it is a report, after all….not a UFO, but a description of one that allows a sensible person to conclude that, in 1964, a thing was seen that provides objective mystery.

If we had other UFO reports, not unlike the Zamora report – and we do actually -- then one can make assumptions and statements about the reports and that which appears in them.

To pretend one can’t do so is obstinacy of an intransigent kind, something that belies scientific or scientific-like inquiry.



  • RRRGroup -

    ...please, I beg of youse guys, do not consider me a good example of anything...

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Saturday, August 17, 2013  

  • Actually this's a hugely significant point you've raised Rich because it's occurin' everywhere not just in UFO research.

    To give an example I was watchin' this British reality TV show about a doctor's surgery a few years back and the patient gives this description of his symptoms "It feels like I've got a metal bar fixed in the middle of me chest."

    The doctor looks nonplussed then merely notes down "...pain in chest."

    But that's actually one of my ones where it quite literally feels as if you've got a cylindrical bar of steel or iron weighing several pounds hanging inside your chest a very uncomfortable sensation to say the least.

    It's almost certainly related to reports by people of alien implants in their bodies or historical accounts by the likes of shamans of the gods replacing their organs with quartz or thunderstones etc.

    But in the doctor's case it was possibly laziness coupled with training overcoming natural curiosity to blame.

    In the case of coppers though as my police sergeant father-in-law pointed out to me many times coppers've always been masters of the art of subtly rewording accounts so the witness hardly notices they're now signing something which states practically the complete opposite of what they originally claimed.

    It was a possible awareness of precisely that fact which made Lonnie Zamora go out his way to put down an account which'd be hard to deliberately misconstrue.

    By Blogger alanborky, at Monday, August 19, 2013  

  • All of us Alan have a yen to get on with it, cutting short our conversations, note-taking, and reports.

    We often leave out salient points and details.

    In reviewing UFO reports, I was a little surprised that some got short shrift.

    That Zamora report stood out as an example of how a report should be made.

    Fortunately his report wasn't intervened by others initially anyway.

    It was afterwards when Stanford and others got their hands on Zamora's report, and insignia, that it got a little iffy.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 19, 2013  

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