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Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Religious Research (about Jesus) vs UFO Research (about Roswell et cetera)

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Some of you have read or heard about this:

Dalmanutha, a Biblical town described in the Gospel of Mark as the place where Jesus sailed after miraculously multiplying a few loaves and fish to feed 4,000 people, may have just been discovered by archaeologists, reports LiveScience.

And some of you may have read or heard about this UFO tale:

At noon, June 19th, 1951, in Sonderborg, Denmark, a mechanic named Joseph Matiszewski encountered a flying saucer that landed in a meadow with a whistling noise. As he approached the saucer, he became paralyzed, and noticed that cows in the meadow had also become paralyzed, and that the birds had ceased to sing. Four handsome male figures with brown ski, wearing shiny clothing, emerged from the saucer, and appeared to be making repairs to the craft. Several objects came out of the craft and hovered over it before departing along with the saucer. Matiszewski was no longer paralyzed. [From David Ritchie’s UFO book, op.cit.]

Now I ask you, what would be the essential difference in the research methodology for both the Jesus story found in Mark 8:10 and the UFO story found in Ritchie [Page 192]?

And further, why is the research methodology for Roswell, by the ill-named Roswell Dream Team, different than the research methodology by the so-called Jesus Seminar?

Just as some think that a continuing study of the Jesus era and the man/God is important and should be ongoing, some UFO buffs think that Roswell should be studied in a likewise serious manner; after all, Roswell has more substantiating material (a press release, living witnesses, and newspaper accounts) than the story of Jesus has.

The fussy attacks by some UFO aficionados toward the Randle Roswellians seems to be antithetical to what is accepted elsewhere when it comes to the Jesus mythology.

If old UFO tales are available, UFO mavens can or should pursue the truth of them, just as religious followers can and should pursue the truth or not of the hagiographical Jesus.

P.S. Is this part of the rumored, new Roswell evidence?


  • Rich,

    Concerning your picture in your Post-Scriptum.
    It comes from the second USAF report "case closed", in figure 41, page 36.
    It is a "dummy" and its insulation bag in order to protect the temperature sensitive equipment.



    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, September 18, 2013  

  • Where did that picture on the front page of the Roswell Daily Record come from? Has the Dream Team finally located something of real value?

    (Much more exciting than the picture shown at the end).

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, September 18, 2013  

  • No RR,that photo I have never seen and has nothing to do w/ anything that the team is working on...


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Wednesday, September 18, 2013  

  • RRRGroup-

    ...very reassuring to read the words of the Zarathustra of The Roswell Dream Team (tm), Professor Bragalia...

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, September 18, 2013  

  • Consider the modality of this phenomenon as it presents itself as it focuses on human consciousnesses.Compare this to theological accounts of experiential visions.
    I will take one example; Christian and Islam.
    I have spent four decades researching this. Contemporaneous authoritative figures clearly labelled the majority as dreams.
    Religion termed "strange" translates all accounts as a literal manifestations. That being said there is a hidden side to this as both Christian and Islamic texts were legominisms. I used the example of Jacobs Ladder.A great deal of these were intended as psychological examples. I can refer you to reference material. Its too involved to relate here. You can see the evolution of materialism in how these texts were viewed as being literal examples.This is still a bane. See my section on scatter technique. They are not meant for everyone.
    The transition of these texts as metaphors in a Christian setting to a literal interpretation was intentional, promulgated by a certain individual as a political movement aimed at the Roman Empire. After the battle was one, there was a protracted battle with the ranks over this. We know who won.
    In Islam, the same thing. Look at Islam in terms of current political events. One sect won over another.
    It takes research to determine this. Nobody bothers as most are good parrots of what they were told.
    The intention and design of Islam was to further expand Christianity. That fell on its face. Muslims "worship" Jesus as an example. If you desire to research Jesus, you must research Islam as well.
    The reason I am focusing on this to provide an example of the why and how in examples that reflect the influences that deflect critical thinking. How self disclosure became a "belief system"

    Here is the problem of theology and ufology. They must be examined beyond their own context. Frankly critical thinking as it relates to intellectual wherewithall harnessed to a key component, of skepticism , in turn,attached to curiosity is at a nadir. Everyone believes any old tale. This has created institutionalized lunacy.
    My theory points out that it is not a "coincidence" that learning developmental techniques by our friends mirror esoteric meaning at it's most deeply buried positioning. Gurdjieff ( as an example only) while rewriting "Beelzebub" told his assistant, he not only wanted to bury the bone, he had to bury the dog. You get the drift.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, September 18, 2013  

  • Tony wrote: No RR,that photo I have never seen

    Strange to read it by a man "expert" about the Roswell case, and part of an autoproclamed "DreamTeam", from which "I" attempt (at least) a minimum readings of the references already available.

    And better a closed reading of the two productions by the "Monster" they pretend hidding us the true, aka the USAF in their mythmaker narratives.
    Yes, in the academic field and not the ufoology, we read the "state of the art", and propose new things... Well, Ufology have its own practice, I suppose.

    This picture is in the second USAF report about Roswell, as I stated above...

    Dear Tony, read a minima what should be your "classics", if you want to present a "fortean" thesis (aka an Alien crash in Roswell in 1947).

    If the rumored photo evidence(s?) you are promising are of the same vein, and you as the expert of photography, well...

    I remember a simple USAF footage of the B2 was enough to have you becoming "crazy" (and so, so naive...) about memory form. And then this footage as a proof of retro-analysis result of your chimeric Alien crash.

    I guess the "new Roswell evidences" will be in the same vein. Dunno why... In fact, yes: because that's ufology for years now. A modern myth we are the witnesses ;)



    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Thursday, September 19, 2013  

  • Well Gilles- the photo simply did not 'ring a bell' with me at the time. The point is that it bears no relation whatsoever to anything that we are working on. I am trying to correct a 'rumor' before it gets started.

    And I have 'promised' nothing. Any physical evidence of any type that may surface would not be mine to 'promise' anyone anything. It would not be mine to do that.


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, September 19, 2013  

  • As Bart Ehrman said, historians cannot prove the resurrection happened -- because the process of history involves determining what most LIKELY happened. That precludes miracles.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Thursday, September 19, 2013  

  • The Jesus Seminar tried to chip away accretions to find the most authentic data. I think Mr Randle has done this too the last few years (after getting burned several times by frauds). But the recent Area 51 book by two Dream Team members -- panned by RRR as "schlock" and Magonia as a "dog's breakfast" -- suggests those researchers have no interest in cleansing measures.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, September 22, 2013  

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