UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, October 01, 2013

A 1960-like UFO Revolt or Revolution?

Here the names of some of the encrusted UFO Establishment:

Jan Aldrich, Don Berliner, Jerry Clark, (ailing) Wendy Connors, Stanton Friedman, Barry Greenwood, Loren Gross, Mike Hall, Don Ledger, Bill Moore, Kevin Randle, Jaime Shandara, Don Schmitt, Brad Sparks, Michael Swords.

There are others….Nick Pope, Richard Dolan, Timothy Good, et al.

But they are a mouldering breed, ossifying as I type, me along with them but nowhere in their league.

(CDA and I are odd men out.)

A new group of UFOnites and an older, but not old, group also proliferates.

Does this portend the end of geezer ufology, where biases and errancies are fecund?

One hopes so.

UFOs, past and present, need a new, creative look, and the scales from the past have to be shed to get at the mystery in a fresh way.

The recent Dream Team imbroglio indicates a shift in ufological values; values which are made staunch by ethics and morality, but not values which are hamstrung by old codes of behavior: holding mail (e-mails) or phone calls in a sacred bin where disclosure is verboten.

Truth is the new byword, even truth that is convoluted by the nature of its essence.

The old 1960 rebels, to which I belonged (right and left), raised hell with a kind of psychotic-like righteousness that moved society and establishments in ways that still resound.

The UFO “scoundrels” – as some have it – irk, because they chase the money-changers from the Temple (of ufology) and they call the establishment to account for their past missteps and ineptness.

I am too old to be part of the new UFO generation, but I can, with others, provide support and ammunition in the drive to cleanse ufology of it fetid past.

May the “revolution” proceed and become viable….



  • I know you don't like music posts here, but this one is perfectly apropos of your post.


    Vive le revolution!


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • I don't care for unnecessarily rain on a parade, but my sense of this from what I read, there seems to be no small amount of those who will carry the same torch forward in a hand off from the old guard.

    My own experience exploring this phenomenon from the many alternative takes that I have written, very few are interested as most of the public want to be spoon fed titillating fantasies.

    Cloak and dagger conspiracies, amazing tales, etc to feed a largely illiterate audience in terms of history, science etc.

    Anything even faintly academic bores them to death.

    There may be new voices that appear but I suspect they won't have much of an audience.

    Cest La Vie

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Well, The Sex Pistols, with over 6 million views, seems pertinent to me, Paul.

    Thanks.....I actually enjoyed it.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Hi Rich,

    Speaking of Michael Swords (whose indefatigable work on the subject I respect) and controversial Dream-teamer Don Schmitt -- I just read Michael's latest blog entry and it appears there is still an 'invisible college' (though like us -middleaged and up) that gathers.


    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Thanks, Susan...

    I happen to like Swords, even though he's a geezer....but then so am I.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Thanks, Susan...

    I happen to like Swords, even though he's a geezer....but then so am I.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Ufology is a collection of unsubstantiated assertions and fervently-held beliefs based for the most part on hot air, and it might be evolving because of its younger generations or it might not. Shrug.

    Given the state of our nation and the world, frankly, it’s a silly pursuit. It serves as entertainment and comic relief, but holds no more weight than that. Those of us interested in UFOs might just as well be collecting buttons given the negligible impact they have on mankind's travails.

    Yeah, a few of us have managed to hustle some money from others who share our interest. But all these few have achieved is to become the bigger gold fish in the self-contained and very small bowl in which we’re swimming.

    The future of Ufology is that, even if its viewpoint shifts, it will remain a marginal pursuit. After all, if we were saner or more rational we’d be collecting buttons.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • Button collecting PG isn't a bad thing, sort of interesting...mini mandalas.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, October 01, 2013  

  • The irony of all this is that our pet anomalies are still acting up..here is a good example of a case that occurred in 1980 from the always excellent Fortean Times..
    no hyperbole, just simply strange..


    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • A little off-topic, Bruce, but I've come to expect that from visitors here, since my postings are generally off-topic.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • It was meant as a juxtaposition between the sad and current state of the art in ufology ...which is largely archival gossip and rumors..and the dim chances of any revolutionary mindsets mentioned in your post.. appearing out of this...in opposition to a backlog of cases that are very strange outside of the Roswell nonsense that sucks all the air out of the room..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • I like to think that "UFOlogy" such as it is, is getting slightly away in certain circles from the long held ideologies and fervently held and aggressively defended beliefs. I've been trying 20 years to get people to recognize the import of stranger aspects (high strangeness) pioneered by Vallee and Keel, and the Trickster Theory by George Hansen (not a light subject) - up until a few years ago few were interested.

    The UFO "field" and it's major mavens have been relegating the high strangeness and self-negating aspects of reports of the phenomena to outlier data, deep sixing it, and the public never knows. The interested public (and other researchers) has been sold a fairy tale for decades that has been built upon - one that's going to be hard to break down or turn around.

    Likewise, when I brought up connections not so long ago to psychedelic drugs, altered states of consciousness and UFOs, I got a hell of a lot of shout downs from the public. Once people became aware of Dr. Rick Straussman's "Spirit Molecule", and Terence McKenna's "True Hallucinations" - more people started considering the possibility that the phenomena is far more complex than the nuts and bolts nonsense - which has gotten no one, anywhere since 1947 (except best seller lists in some cases).

    Dr. Jeffrey Kripal has an interesting approach as well: that we are co-creating reality by way of art, writing, and the creative process. This might lend well to explaining the cultural filters through which the phenomena is viewed.

    In the end, it's not just about UFOlogy's old guard dying off, or retiring. It's also about a new brand of scientist entering into their own. More and more legitimate scientists are becoming publicly involved without fear of reprisals.

    Roswell is a dead myth best off considered a ;earning experience on the long road to oblivion (because we'll likely never figure this thing out) and once you accept that, the search seems less arduous and far more interesting.


    By Blogger JR, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • JR:

    We're with you all the way!


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • "...and it appears there is still an 'invisible college' (though like us -middleaged and up) that gathers."


    ...sadly, no.

    what that blogpost pictures and mentions aren't some magical "Invisible College", but simply a sad assembly of some ex-CUFOS boardmembers and hangers-on... doomed to reliving their own personal 'Groundhog Day'....

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • JR - You bring up interesting points...Keel, Vallee and Hansen have interesting theories that might make more sense than the ETH, but I've noticed they contradict their own ideas.

    Keel assigning Ufos and their occupants to demonology but yet mentioning, more than once, in Operation Trojan Horse and Mothman Prophecies that Ufos could be a recon party before an alien invasion...Well which is it? If it's strictly demonic, there's no invasion as they've always been, in some way, alongside humans.

    And, Vallee with his "control system" of our beliefs/behavior but writes one of the best documented hard evidence books that could back up the ETH - Confrontations.

    Hansen's Trickster basically comes off to me as Satan, the opposer. And the anti-structure idea is questionable because there have been plenty of witnesses whose lives were not under stress when they had a close ufo sighting or encountered a weird entity. I recently read his take on someone's paranormal activity in the person's house and he thought that it might be manifesting from the dirty (literally) parts of the home where dust, feces, bugs, hairs, nail clippings were...So does this mean ufos and their occupants manifest the same way?

    I do think the outlier data is ignored by some ufologists (and abduction-focused researchers) because it's so bizarre, in an already bizarre subject. All should be included (which is what the late Karla Turner did). This is why books written by close encounter experiencers themselves are sometimes more interesting because they usually included their accounts of the 'sideshow' paranormal activity, psi-activity and apparent human black-ops harassment.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Thursday, October 03, 2013  

  • "Hansen's Trickster basically comes off to me as Satan, the opposer. And the anti-structure idea is questionable because there have been plenty of witnesses whose lives were not under stress when they had a close ufo sighting or encountered a weird entity.'

    Anti-structure doesn't always mean stress - there are many forms of anti-structure: out of routine, for instance doesn't really mean stress - but a departure from the normal structure of life. This could even include a vacation. The Trickster theory doesn't point to an entity of any sort, like "Satan" but more an undercurrent of how reality seems to work, and what surrounds a paranormal event rather than the event itself. I have found no case that didn't have elements in it of marginality, anti-structure, or liminality.

    For instance, George related something you mention later: the hair, feces, urine, nail clippings, etc. This came out of a discssion with him on-air when I asked about bathrooms seeming to have more paranormal activity associated with them than any other room in a house.

    I asked him, could it be that it's a private space - where more often than not people engage in...well lets just say things of a solo sexual act. Because another tenant of paranormal surroundings is "taboo" activity (or what the masses deem taboo, or deviant - which doesn't really mean they are - just that they are perceived that way by many)

    Hansen's answer was in the affirmative to my statement, but added that the bathroom is where feces, urine, nail clippings, hair, etc are deposited, and all those objects are used in "majickal" workings.

    Very curious.


    By Blogger JR, at Friday, October 04, 2013  

  • JR - Thanks for clarifying the Hansen interview. I didn't get all that because I was multitasking while listening (a bad habit).

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Friday, October 04, 2013  

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