UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, October 02, 2013

How little we know about UFOs (and everything else)

Nukes of Hazard, an article in The New Yorker issue of September 30th by Louis Menand, about Eric Schlosser’s book, “Command and Control” tells readers of all the possible nuclear accidents that the world barely escaped.

Many during the Cold War, some as recent as this year.

The article gave me a new appreciation of President Truman whom I’ve excoriated over the years, and the piece clarifies the personality of Curtis LeMay who figures in the Goldwater episode wherein Senator Goldwater was told by LeMay not to ever ask him about the Blue Room at Wright-Patterson Airfield.

But the Menand review of the Schlosser book provides an clear example of how little we know about events that could impact us, government agencies concealing, from us, essential, often do-or-die information.

This is true of the Roswell incident and also points to how little information is actually contained in UFO reports, some as heady and overworked as the Betty/Barney Hill “abduction.”

We, as outsiders to events, never get the whole picture of events we find intriguing or important.

Roswell has been scrounged to the point of banality, but the incident still contains elements unknown even to UFO cognoscenti. (The supposed “slides rumor” tells us that.)

The Mantell incident has been “researched” by Kevin Randle and explained pretty much, but not to the point that makes it dismissible to some UFO mavens; a Skyhook balloon being the thing sighted by Captain Mantell, but not really pinned own as the “object” floating in the area at the time Mantell’s plane took its nosedive.

Officer Zamora’s  Socorro UFO sighting, seen as a hoax by some (Anthony Bragalia) or a misperception of a Moon test-craft (us) or as a bona fide visit from extraterrestrial outsiders by other (Rudiak, Stanford, et al.) is still fraught with missing ingredients that could finally explain the episode: What was the nature of the insignia seen by Officer Zamora? Who else saw what he saw? Where are the alleged hoaxers? What happened to the supposed Hughes/ Raven test-craft that was said to be accidentally downed in Socorro in  April 1964?

The Rendlesham event is still considered unresolved, as militaries have co-opted the sighting with obfuscation and deceit, while participants befoul the “sighting” with discursive and divisive accounts.

You can cite a few UFO sightings, in the lore, that you find wanting, of more information or more detail, but which is not available or forthcoming: Kecksburg, for instance or the Maury Island incident(s).

Even the iconic Kenneth Arnold sighting is missing key information: Arnold’s mind-set during his sighting, what food or drink had he ingested before his flight near the Cascades, et cetera.

No, we don not have, at our disposal, much information about anything: near nuclear accidents, or UFO detritus that might dispose of the mystery,.

That’s how it is…..and we have to live with it…..or do we?



  • Some people consider an event, UFO case or other kind of event, unexplained unless and until EVERY conceivable question has an answer.

    That's why JFK, Martin Luther King and Princess Diana's deaths will remain a mystery. Because someone can always think of this or that which the authorities cannot provide an answer to, so the case becomes an unsolved mystery.

    Even decades later people can, and will, dig up things not mentioned before, and make a big deal over them.

    Hence conspiracy theory takes root. What was that mystery car seen behind (or in front of) Diana's car? Why has it never been traced? Or if it has been traced, why was there no residual damage to it - or why were its number plates changed, etc, etc. ?

    Get my point?

    Of course Marcel wasn't stupid enough not to immediately recognise a balloon. Of course Mantell ditto. It goes on and on and on.

    That is why we have always had mysteries, and why we always will.

    You can apply this to umpteen murder cases in the UK and the US, or in fact anywhere else. Were any murders ever really solved? No, because someone, somewhere, can always find some small aspect of it that is inexplicable.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Having spent the past week giving a fair bit of stick to the true believers, let me just say that CDA's comment betrays the skeptical "Yin" of lazy thinking to the believer "Yang". There are real conspiracies in this world, and not all of them are quickly or easily discovered - the ones that aren't almost always being very small (which is just one of the reasons why Roswell doesn't work as a conspiracy story).

    Not everything is exactly as it seems, and not all remaining questions about things like the JFK assassination are "small aspects".


    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • We all like CDA, Paul, but his view of things sometimes borders on naive.

    Secrets can be kept, conspiracies exist, and life is a puzzle or mystery, from top to bottom.

    It's not all cherry pie or fish and chips.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Talking of conspiracies, here are some real ones:

    1. Cover-ups by the Catholic church of child abuse in the UK, US and Australia, going on for decades (and maybe still is).

    2. Radiation experiments on unsuspecting humans in both UK and US.

    3. Nazi experiments on the Jews during the 30s and 40s (ovariectomies, sterilisation and eugenics).

    Now compare these with trivia like Rendlesham & Roswell. Quite a difference! But you'll get people who cite 1, 2 and 3 as evidence that it could apply to R & R.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • I don't know if the things you've cited, CDA, are conspiracies, but they are, indeed, evil human deeds, for which many have yet to be punished, on this side of the ethereal domain, anyway.

    Rendlesham and Roswell are totally impractical, innocuous events (so far), filled with inanities and duplicity.

    They are minor mysteries, but seen by some who don't have a world view as important or earth-shattering, worthy of great time and effort, as multitudes of humans suffer starvation or inhumanities that go unheeded by most of us.

    That's the nature of human folly.

    As Shakespeare's Puck had it, "Oh what fools these mortal be."


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Of course, there have been and always will be mysteries both surrounding and within us otherwise we may as well be frozen in amber

    However outside of the archivist perspective on old ufo cases,as they fade into the fog of the past versus the fog of the present... the question that frames this post is as follows.. Which mysteries are important to us?

    Needless to say, we cannot solve them all.

    Ufology looks backward instead of forward and so then the question is why this is so.

    My own view is that the past is sort of toothless tiger, a fairly idle set piece for armchair historians.

    The other side to this is that, while the past recedes away from us, the likelihood of any revelation is pretty nil.

    And so the dust gathers, the brandy is brought out, the fireplace lit and old geezers reminisce over when life was simple and a UFO was A UFO..

    Roll the credits...

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Bruce:

    I'll defend the rapture of old UFO cases one more time.

    They are not turgid but full of spicy elements and grist for speculation, not like the tepid sightings of today.

    Moreover, mysteries abound in the past, as I keep noting; the reality or nature of Jesus, did Moses part the Red Sea or the Reed Sea? Who really killed JFK? Was Achilles a real being? Was Buddha wise as his followers made him out to be? Who built and how the Mayan temples? Et cetera, et cetera.

    We mortals can pick and choose which buffet of mysteries that intrigue us.

    Some like to pursue ghosts? Some want to know that an orgasm can really feel like, and so on.

    That's the nature of the human beast: locked into a meaningless existence, one with a cascade of enigmas that may lead us into the Platonic reality if we play our cards right, and question or investigate what we have at our disposal.

    UFO sightings are as good as any mystery and better than most....especially the past, fecund ones.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Well it could just be a case of my own interest flagging toward the general subject of decades old aging cases which requires no defense nor does your interest in them as you expressed it, as a somewhat trivial pursuit in the light of weightier subjects.
    For myself the moribund circular conversations about a very old and very small set of cases recognizes that an unanswered question also entails the non acceptance of any answer that could be provided..a sort of existential frame that says..there's got to be more..that suits oneself as a subjective matter in lieu of facts, that in all likelihood the facts will never surface.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Yah, Bruce...

    Most old UFO sightings have become hackneyed and banal with the repetitive scrutiny and blather.

    But some things in them intrigue, like the Socorro insignia, or why Reverend Gill and his flock gave up waving to the beings on his UFO to go eat dinner.

    But in the great scheme of things, it's flotsam and jetsam.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • The chief feature of this post asks indirectly, what answer is acceptable and to whom..and the smart ass answer to the who built the Mayan pyramids are the Mayans.
    Since JFK was bantered as an example in this context, I could say that for me, the fact that his old man was involved in bootlegging, and the mob delivered several state elections for his kid..and then RFK double crossed them, and the old mob bosses said kill the snake by cutting off his head, and then the patsy was killed by a connected strip club owner. Good enough for me but is it for you.?
    This scenario as to facts is both plausible and yet is not. Its the nature of old history..subject to whether one feels there is a question in the first place that can be answered as a matter of consensus. I highly doubt this will ever occur.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • The Mayans?

    JFK snookered by the mob?

    Okay.....you're satisfied.

    Me? Not so much.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • Rendlesham is headed the way of Roswell - an effort in modern mythmaking. It doesn't look today the way it looked in 1980, and in ten years it will bear little resemblance to what we know now.

    But, if you look at it as a paranormal event, with the liminal aspects - one being a "between" or joint base of the UK and US, the antistructural or out of routine holidays in swing...I mean it goes on and on...then the notion of it self negating by separate accounts, and binary code insertion makes perfect sense. Or, should I say not surprising.

    I used to get highly discouraged by what for all purposes when what seemed like a solid case suddenly became full of add-on claims and embellishment.

    Then you come to see that as part of this, and that it's to be expected. I'm not saying anyone is under "alien control" and forced to do this, brainwashed or anything like that. But all paranormal accounts are fraught with parts that seem to negate the event itself.

    This is to me, a part of it's structure. It's built in, and so we should learn to accept this wrinkle and work with it - rather than give up and dismiss anything. This is, if you think about it, the missed consistency.


    By Blogger JR, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • RRRGroup-

    ...time to interrupt this thoughtful exchange with something guaranteed (as you wish) to distract us from The Roswell Dream Team (tm)!!!

    ...I give you......

    The Sasquatch Dream Team (tm)! :


    FINALLY now you can begin to wean lil'AJB onto a new mystery...

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, October 02, 2013  

  • secrets exist, and are well keep under the lid of secrecy: in 1980 a DC9 from Bologna to Palermo (Italy) crashed near Ustica Island, near Sicily. more than 80 peoples died in the crash. Soon after an italian journalist (andrea purgatori) received a phone call in which an anonymous (yes!) claimed a missile shooted down the aircraft. An american missile experts when years later the airplane was recovered from the deep sea, stated tha a missile hitted the plane. several radar tracks showed pattern of jets in the zone. these planes where believed coming from French, Lybia, Israel, italy and Usa, depending on the mood of some deep throats, or depending on the mood of judges which during 33 years investigated this tragedy. what we know today about Ustica? nothing less or more than JFK's death or similar events. Secrets exist, and are well keeped.

    By Blogger ilfakiro, at Thursday, October 03, 2013  

  • Paul [Kimball] "There are real conspiracies in this world".

    Personally Rich I'd go even further and argue there's only conspiracies.

    Whether it was Islamic terrorists/freedom fighters who toppled the World Trade Centre buildings or they were tricked into it by other parties or the whole thing was a false flag operation or never even happened because the whole thing was a mass hallucination/hologram induced/generated by the CIA/the British Royal Family/aliens/Nazis on the Moon it was still a conspiracy.

    Roswell's a twin conspiracy between those who determined not to let it lie and those equally determined it must be made to lie.

    Ditto Rendlesham Socorro Mantell etc etc etc.

    Ultimately it's whether one one's in the conspiracy or outside which decides whether it's viewed sufficiently sinisterly to be considered a conspiracy.

    Ancient Greeks like Zeno with his paradoxes and Socrates supposedly reducing ev'rything to absurdity were gettin' at exactly the same thing I suggest namely when we examine our underlying assumptions about the way the world works they begin to fall apart.

    Even numbers prove to be ghostly relative approximations when one realises the same length can be ONE inch or THREE and a bit centimetres and even those numbers vanish in a puff of smoke if you switch from decimal to binary and that's before fractals kick in.

    When you add contrary to what we assume we all of us spend all day and night switching in and out of higher or lower levels of awareness modulated by the intensities induced or alleviated by our ceaselessly unstable emotional energies intermingled with states altered or modified by what we eat drink do or breathe interspersed with variously lengthed hallucinations eg momentarily mistaking mouthfuls of coffee for tea or undergoing ecstasy at the illusion of the sun appearing to sink below the horizon or someone attractive exhibiting signs of being interested in us then is it any wonder "How little we know about UFOS (and everything else)"?

    By Blogger alanborky, at Friday, October 04, 2013  

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