UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, October 30, 2013

Missing files, for Roswell, and other UFO-related incidents

Sebastian, who’s from Poland, and is one of the few members of our Einstein Fellowship group on the U of M campus in Ann Arbor who has an interest in the UFO phenomenon, after reading Nick Redfern’s latest book, For Nobody’s Eyes Only, finds that, not only are the FBI files for Wilhelm Reich – see post about that earlier here – missing for the period 1945 to 1950 but FBI files on anyone associated with Roswell and flying saucers in the 1947 time-frame do not appear either when one receives copies of the files via the FOIA.

That files for the Army Air Base in Roswell during the period of the alleged Roswell incident have disappeared has been long-troubling for UFO researchers, but when one finds that materials peripheral but possibly germane to Roswell in 1947 have also gone missing, one has to ask why.

I won’t, as mentioned in a comment recently, go forward with that stupid “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” thing that certain “ufologists” (Friedman) trot out whenever something doesn’t show up that they’d wish to find.

But one can, as Nick suggests in his book, make a prima facie case suggesting that the missing files contain things (information) that the FBI and the U.S. government doesn’t want anyone to see. Why not?

I contend, and have for some time now, that no paper created by a government official is ever destroyed; that is, copies are made and save. Bureaucrats are essentially hoarders and, aside from compiling paperwork, they have an obsessive-compulsive need to save paperwork, their own and that of others.

So, I imagine that, if one or a group (The Roswell Dream Team?) really puts their brains to work, they can discover the site or sites where the Roswell Air Base material, the FBI files on Reich (who was in Roswell shortly – 1950 -- after the supposed incident), and anything else that will benefit the need or desire to clarify exactly what happened near Roswell in July 1947.

Even if the Roswell “incident” was a flummoxed – an overly enthusiastic response to the finding of debris that was given the “flying disk” sobriquet during the 1947 flying saucer hysteria – there is paperwork, somewhere, still, that will tell us that.

This link might prove interesting to some of you:



  • "I contend, and have for some time now, that no paper created by a government official is ever destroyed".

    Rich as someone who's done a lot of office based tempin' in me time I can confirm this's very definitely so.

    It's not even so much a thoroughness thing as the civil service credo managed correctly a single sheet of paper should create a thousand new posts and endless career structure opportunities.

    Here's the glitch though.

    At the dawn of the paperless office too many managers imagined migrating documents onto harddrives somehow made them even more permanent than hard copies and started shredding everything in sight.

    It's quite possible during that phase important Roswell type documents were lost purely out of stupidity.


    You seen this?


    Is it me or does this somewhat resemble the morphing undergone by UFOs in some accounts/videos/etc?

    By Blogger alanborky, at Wednesday, October 30, 2013  

  • Back in 1947, anyone needing to get an AEC clearance for access to Restricted Data (i.e., nuclear weapons information) was required by law to have a background investigation conducted by the FBI. (That law has since been changed, so that a Restricted Data clearance can now be granted on the basis of an investigation by a lesser agency.)

    Point is, many of the principals involved in the Roswell case who were part of the Army Air Force (Marcell, Blanchard, probably Haut, etc.) definitely would have had an FBI file opened on them. Much of the content of the files would probably now be protected by privacy laws, but the fact that the files existed should be beyond doubt.

    By Blogger Larry, at Wednesday, October 30, 2013  

  • From the Project Blue Book Archive site :

    When Project Blue Book was closed down in January 1970, the original files were transferred to Maxwell AFB where they were made available on request for public viewing until 1975. In 1975 these documents were microfilmed by the Air Force for internal use and then transferred to the National Archives for public release.
    Before microfilming these documents for public release, however, the Air Force blacked out witness names and other personal information in accord with its policy of protecting the privacy of witnesses despite the fact that the files had been available for copying and inspection for years without these deletions.
    In 1998 a set of the original unredacted Air Force microfilm was discovered at the National Archives. In addition to witness names and information, it has been confirmed that these rolls contain some pages that are not on the NARA rolls.

    By Blogger Yvan D., at Thursday, October 31, 2013  

  • "I contend, and have for some time now, that no paper created by a government official is ever destroyed".

    ...NOT relevant, RRRGroup, IF the 'paper' files are relocated as part of an intel 'shell game'...

    ....seriously, who would ever think of FOIAing Roswell records from the Agriculture Dept., or the National Park Service, or PBS, or the IRS, NOAA.... etc. ....

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Friday, November 01, 2013  

  • You make my point KP...

    so how is my contention irrelevant?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 01, 2013  

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