UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, November 15, 2013

UFOs and the Rabble

The problem with the UFO phenomenon is “ufology” – the pseudo-science that the great unwashed, the rabble, has adopted as their sobriquet.

One constantly reads (or hears) that UFO conjecture, or hypotheses, need “peer review,” a phrase taken from academia or science but never accepted as a practice by UFO mavens or researchers.

After all, who in “ufology” is qualified to pass judgment on the poncifs of their fellow ultrafidians? [Explanation: who in the UFO world is qualified to determine if ufological nonsense has validity or not?]

Take the re-constituted Roswell Dream Team for instance. Does the one lone objective partner – Chris Rutkowski – have enough clout – mental and otherwise – to thwart the faith-obsessed mind-sets of his team colleagues; that is, can Mr. Rutkowski stem the belief fervor of Dream Team members when their faith in the ET hypothesis takes hold based upon very circumscribed evidence?

And then we have the UFO skeptics, who bring to the UFO table all kinds of ruminations that have the gloss of serious scrutiny but, when examined carefully, only has the patina of objectivity and academic acumen.

(The evidence for cavalier skepticism is made manifest by the lack of academic or scientific credentials by those claiming to be skeptics: they are self-anointed.)

But the essential problem is not the Dream Team or skeptical cliques. It’s the sycophancy of the rabble. That UFO throng weighs in with predilections based upon facile psychological or sociological elements that border upon insanities of various kinds.

Take a look at the comments that abound at various UFO venues: UFO UpDates, Rense, Above Top Secret, and even here, among many others.

The ruminations are patently aberrant.

This has been the case with UFOs since 1947, when the phenomenon reared its head and became a fringe fascination for people themselves on the fringe (of society) or mental competency.

UFOs should have been studied, as Jacques Vallee suggested and tepidly acted upon with his “Invisible College” idea, taken from the Rosicrucians or Robert Boyle’s Royal Society of London clique.

A small, qualified group of credentialed persons, from various academic disciplines should have banded together to study UFOs from the outset.

This didn’t happen at the overt level, and that explains the ongoing belief that MJ-12 may have legitimately existed or still exists: MJ-12 fits with the sensible idea of an Invisible College.

But any idea of a qualified band of UFO devotees getting together now is muffled by the onslaught of the rabble and the rabble’s use of the internet to intercede with ignorance in the matter of the phenomenon.

The vociferous clamor of the UFO underbelly drowns out or dissipates rational discourse.

We even experience that here, although we strive mightily to curb the waywardness of illogic and utter banality of thought that comes our way as comments on our topics.

UFOs, as a phenomenon, has been lost by the gargantuan storm of idiocies that have inundated the subject and continue apace now that the internet has opened the door to every asinine quidnunc who thinks what they have to offer is gold of the gods.

Can we, and a few other UFO bailiwicks, continue to ruminate within this maelstrom or cacophony of nonsense? Should we?

Paul Kimball and other sensate individuals have chosen not to. We like their withdrawal from the blatant UFO scene. And see it as a way out of the madhouse.



  • I've been in conversation with some folks for a while about how to vet information and sources. It's a considerable challenge to grapple with the rabble.

    As an effort to begin to create community, we've taken on a huge project in the form of www.ufologyprss.com. We're attempting to gather the RSS feeds in one location for a quick review and reconnoitering.

    I was just doing some more searching and found myself here, looking for your RSS feed link.

    Joseph Burkes, MD., has done some creative work with Contact Underground and a paper on the leadership crisis in Ufology. I've been an experiencer for most of my life and also have two degrees in business as a means for maintaining a balanced approach to bridging realities.

    It seem that intelligent life forms appear to be off-planet still. I find very few willing to really get dirty in the discussions of ufology and the exploration of consciousness that, imho, has to go along with it.

    Keep up the good work and hopefully we'll find some sense made common soon.

    By Blogger Zen Benefiel, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • ZB..

    It's an uphill battle, but one worthwhile to attempt, even at this late date, perhaps.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • I grew up just west of Muncie, btw. So, do you have an RSS feed we can post on www.UfologyPRSS?

    By Blogger Zen Benefiel, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Just the blogspot URL Zen.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • What constitutes an advanced civilization? Of course this is a game of comparisons played by those as card in what remains of Ufology which has descended into the proverbial act of reading tea leaves based on their premise that their basis of comparison of such an advanced civilization compared to ours is always made in technological terms, which says a great deal about the observer than it does about the observed.
    If, as some have suggested, such as myself, that the whole of this subject is precognitive sentience based on upending rationality at the behest of logic to deconstruct the parameters of our orientation, then it should come as no big surprise that what is reported is always a chimera based on a technological series of non verbal communications, that are painted in our mind's eye as the work of a intangible surrealist.
    In short, the fulcrum of our comparisons become manifest and yet, these manifestations due to the fact that they follow our own parameters has created a cult like following that images alone constitute an "advanced" civilization, as perhaps the most preeminent case of self reference we can observe in the paranormal which even this term is looked upon as smallpox to be avoided at all costs when communicated to those up to their eyelids in this technological defining of advanced when they mistake the yardstick for the reality or the old axiom what is described is not the object itself. This discernment lost on them.
    The subject has become a cut and paste job based on wish fulfillment that couches itself in the same rationality that ironically torpedoes their every attempt to apply right angles to it. This is so patently apparent as to have reached a level of socially acceptable insanity.
    The issue here is media and who has gotten hold of the microphone as a sort of game for experts who are in reality, either proverbial short order cooks or simply cranks who have a demagoguery streak.They are the eggmen..
    I am the walrus..kookookajoobb

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • alrightything... we'll have it up soon. take a look 'round the site and see if you'd like to share our member badge on yours... www.ufologyprss.com/badge

    warm regards, fellow hoosier

    By Blogger Zen Benefiel, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Bruce, inadvertently?, makes my case.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Zen,

    Will comply.



    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • You talk about the "re-constituted dream team".

    Have they disbanded and reformed?

    More important, are they making any progress, as far as you know, or are you also "unable" (to use AJB's words) to tell us anything on this?

    Who has dropped out, or who has stealthily crept in?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Have any academic institutions awarded degrees in ufology yet? I seem to remember the Condon Report mentioning that 'UFO Studies' were part of one university's curriculum, and this was over 40 years ago.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • CDA:

    The Dream Team epithet has been dropped I think. Finally.

    Kevin Randle is not involved or remains involved sub rosa.

    Mr. Bragalia keeps the team's findings close to the vest but the guys -- Rudiak, Schmitt, Tom, and Chris, with Tony -- are active and undeterred by opprobrium or attack. (Good for them)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • CDA:

    A few universities slip in a UFO course now and then. (U of M, where our Einstein Fellowship resides, has offered a few sub-course classes on the UFO or paranormal phenomena, but the university doesn't play it up, sensibly.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Back for a moment... I'm noticing that Bruce's (my given name as well) comments are skewed with intellectual snobbery. If that is the kind of attitude present, then it would be a challenge to have a simple conversation, methinks. Hey, don't get me wrong, I've got a huge vocabulary too, but I don't wield it as a sword.

    Bruce, have you a personal experience of the 'phenomena' or are you just phenomenally gifted in intelligence?

    By Blogger Zen Benefiel, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • The coinciding of my opinion to yours happens to be my own view of the issues you raised. I do think media has a great deal to do with setting up the stage props and who gets on stage, which, of course, feeds the lowest common denominator.
    For example, the former Defense Minister of Canada has recently called for the U.S to be straightforward about the subject, in a reaction to a very large upsurge in sightings there. Have you seen this in the media? Another case this one in Australia which is having the same uptick. A woman photographs a boomerang shaped "craft" which is a very good image and at the same time has a very strong case of self doubt or disbelief toward it..which is unusual..which then leads into self skepticism and doubt being here in the U.S, a sign of weakness..which then leads into selective editing and denial when the facts such as they are do not fit whatever the demagogue of the moment is broadcasting, as a matter of self interest having little to do with contradiction.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Zen
    Yes I have on several occasions that are largely relegated to the past and whether you discern me by labeling is no concern of mine as it is to you.
    Telephone messages left on a answering machine that was unplugged was one, warning me of "nefarious" whatever or whomever that was. How I say something versus what I am saying seems to be secondary as your prerogative..and yes, I do speak like this..ask my wife.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • @ Bruce... no offense intended. I enjoy the depth of vocabulary use in proper presentation.

    I've been blessed/cursed with knowing a lot of the high profile folks (and them knowing me by name as well) from years of interactions. I was the onsite organizer for The Prophets Conference in Phoenix in 97. It gave me the opportunity to get to know a number of people off stage and in person. Some were people, some were egos on tour.

    I'm also well aware of the self-deprecation that takes place amongst those who have real experiences that approach those who've only done research and summarily ignore their stories (or then include them surreptitiously in their own talks).

    I was encouraged to hear Whitley Strieber announce that after years of 'dealing with' his event he had to admit that there is a consciousness far beyond our own that is worthy of exploration and it is NOT a threat to humanity at all.

    Hellyer does the same thing and still has a brightness to his eyes in spite of the challenges he's faced. According to him the entire world military industrial complex is aware that there is no threat from off-planet entities. We all know the threat of irrational humans to be far greater indeed.

    As to the experiences, mine are ongoing. They've tempered over the years as I've gotten used to them. Occasionally, though, there is tap on the shoulder to perform in realms most people don't even know exist. Hard to share from there unless one has been there, too.

    By Blogger Zen Benefiel, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Zen
    The best I can do is to suspect my own theories which are really suspicions as much as I do the others.. and this philosophy of self skepticism seems to elude those who would avoid the complexities involved when it comes to human nature when it faces events we simply cannot explain.
    As Rich said, sort of paraphrasing Walt Kelly, we have met the enemy and they are us, to a lesser or greater extent .
    Some of this ilk seem to have pathological ruts or as R.A Wilson said if anyone tells you they know whats going on, they are full of shit.
    Yet we have as many cults of consideration as in the Heinz 57 varieties, and unfortunately they all have a golf ball sized wherewithal to accommodate what they cannot do an end run around by proliferating innuendo.
    Good luck with your project.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Hi Rich,

    >"UFOs should have been studied, as Jacques Vallee suggested and tepidly acted upon with his “Invisible College” idea, taken from the Rosicrucians or Robert Boyle’s Royal Society of London clique." ...
    >"A small, qualified group of credentialed persons, from various academic disciplines should have banded together to study UFOs from the outset."
    - - -

    Which makes me and some others wonder what's up with Jacques Vallee? It seems that when his friend and colleague J. Allen Hynek passed on, Vallee sort of dropped out of the ufo scene (except for an advisary position with Bob Bigelow's NIDS - re. the Gorman/Sherman "Skinwalker Ranch" investigation. And, his latest book was basically a rehash of his previous ones.

    I recently read a bio of the late Barbara Bartholic, who worked for about seven years alongside Vallee - mainly on ufo sightings, cattle mutes and a few contactee/abduction reports. According to Bartholic, Vallee was quiet and would take notes as he'd let her do most of the pre-investigating and talking to witnesses. She claimed he never gave an opinion on the bizarre cases they would investigate and he never told her what he was doing with his copious notes which he carefully stored away in his briefcase.

    Bartholic eventually broke off their investigative relationship due to 'high strangeness' occurences that would manifest to the Bartholics, either right before or after the ufological jaunts in the field with Vallee.[That may or may not be paranoia on Bartholic's part.] But, Vallee has stuck with the supernatural control system hypothesis for years now and hasn't added much to the discussion, not even with his more recent boing-boing website essay.

    >"Paul Kimball and other sensate individuals have chosen not to. We like their withdrawal from the blatant UFO scene. And see it as a way out of the madhouse." - - -

    From my pov, it remains to be seen who has gone beyond the bitching and betraying to get their coat & hat and truly leave the dinner party of ufology.

    If ufology has been making moolah or bringing attention for certain individuals, I doubt they'll truly leave the "madhouse". Time will tell if there is an absence from anything/everything ufoish - including blogging, podcasts, commentaries to blogs ect. I don't observe that now.


    By Blogger brownie, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • One thing that I find interesting Susan is how many UFO people -- men mostly -- are happy to make a few pennies from ads at their web-sites or from a few book sales, inclining to be at the poverty level, while not wholly committed to UFOs in any real sense, as one passionate about their interest (poetry, art, music, et al.) might be.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • Oh yeah, that's prevelant in the blogosphere and also on youtube. I can't begin to fathom the youtube channels put up (by mostly youngish to middle-aged guys) that are simply copies of a Coast to Coast broadcast or an Alex Jones broadcast. No original thinking or opinions, just regurgitation.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Friday, November 15, 2013  

  • RE: Vallee

    Jacques Vallee as a pioneer of data programming became a successful entrepreneur in that field as well as remaining a theorist albeit fields other than what he was most known for but he remains active in "ufo" research under contract to Bigelow Aerospace.

    I would think he was also involved with the analysis of data regarding sightings that Bigelow was collecting under the MUFON contract.

    Next year ( if I remember correctly) is the first launch of the inflatable habitat that Bigelow has been working on for NASA.

    NASA, Bigelow and Vallee seems to have a very close relationship.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 16, 2013  

  • Bruce, interesting info on Vallee's background - re. NASA & Bigelow. I know some people in the ufo 'world' have suspected he might do the government/establishment bidding in regard to not sharing all the info (as well as any changing/evolving opinions) on UFOs. Well, we'll never really know I suppose.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Saturday, November 16, 2013  

  • Zen wrote here: "I'm noticing that Bruce's comments are skewed with intellectual snobbery."

    Zen wrote elsewhere: "Not until my early 30s did my adoptive parents tell me that my IQ was off the scale as an elementary student. Early on I was comfortable being a deep thinker." (Rev. Zen Benefiel: Are We One? 2012, a Time for Truth, p. 20)


    Oh, dear!

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, November 18, 2013  

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