UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, December 31, 2013

An Alien Abduction Hypothesis?

Alien abduction scenarios have pretty much been anathema for me.

I see “abductions” as a psychological or neurological state, enmeshed in sexual difficulties affecting, mentally, those who think they’ve been taken by extraterrestrial kidnappers.

But there is one possibility that, while oblique, may be possible.

We can assume that the use of space-time will become a reality for future mankind.

Einstein, and other physicists, have thought and/or predicted that time, or space-time, might be amenable to manipulation in the future.

If that is a possibility, would it not allow for the intrusion of future Earthians into our time to correct, alter, or destroy elements that have afflicted or enhanced their time?

That is, suppose the cases of alien abduction are not kidnappings by extraterrestrials but, rather, are visitations by future humans who come back to this time to “fix” whatever they think needs fixing?

This would help explain why common folk are those that are “abducted.”

It’s not those people who the intruders are interested in but their descendants – their children or grandchildren, their descendants.

It’s the Terminator scenario: future Earthians come back, altering space and time to do so, in order to “enhance” or “alter” or “destroy” the genetic or biological elements within those whose progenerated offspring affect the lives of future humankind.

Scientists, evil-doers, cultural figures of the future would be altered, for bad or good, depending upon what is done or has been done to their forebears.

The alleged medical procedures performed on some abductees makes sense in such a scenario.

That abductees are taken through walls or out of closed-door automobiles would be explained by an alteration of the space, the locale, where the “abduction” takes place.

Of course, my sci-fi-like conjecture is bizarre, but it would allow for another abductee possibility, other than such people are just mad with psychological or neurological problems or are bountiful liars.



  • ....my dear RR; ...I daresay there is somewhat more 'evidence' for Roswell(1947), than for Barney Hill and his wife..... YET, you lean towards the Hopkins/Jacobs feldercarb as an example of 'True Mystery???

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Tuesday, December 31, 2013  

  • No, KP...

    I'm just vamping.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 31, 2013  

  • I am afraid it will take more than time travelers to put the rabbit back in the hat. I have been reading A C Clarke who said he did not know what was more frightening..that we are alone in the universe or perhaps more so, that we are not. Maybe Bill Birnes is behind it all.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, December 31, 2013  

  • Rich, I'm still entrenched in the psychological area for abductions.

    As far as time travel as a way to fix people/events, most if not all abductees appear to describe visitation by "aliens" of the whites, grays, and what ever other color is on the ET spectrum.

    Happy New Year friend!

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Happy New Year to you Tim; have a bountiful, erudite 2014.

    The colors of "future" humans would be white, gray (an amalgam of black and white from inter-marriages, et cetera)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • > It’s not those people who the intruders are interested in but their descendants

    Rich's scenario makes sense if we assume 1) future humans are the greys and 2) we dismiss all the other numerous varieties of aliens reported (Hopkins and Jacobs have tried to do so).

    How can the greys be human?

    Chimpanzees and humans share nearly all their DNA, but, likely through epigenetic processes, our maturation is drastically slower (roughly 1 year for them to 16 years for us). That allows us to pack on more body mass, much more brain mass, while retaining some fetal and childhood characterists such as relative hairlessness, large cranium/face, head/body ratios. (This process is called neotony.)

    What if that maturation process was slowed even more drastically so that humans became even more fetal in appearance? Larger brain/body ratio, larger eye/face ratio, even less hair, the appearance of androgeny.

    We may speculate that current evolutionary trends that separate chimps and humans point towards humans evolving into greys eventually.

    If that is so, what if greys want to PREVENT this from happening?

    It could make for an interesting suspense thriller (provided the greys were also fighting "bad" aliens). But there are many problems:

    1) there is no good evidence for alien abduction
    2) the future humans would have to invent time travel
    3) they would have to be able to alter our genes but, paradoxically, be unable to alter their own genes (or be 100% sterile for at least one sex)
    4) the genetic changes would have to guarantee absolutely that the small number of abductees had a selective (evolutionary) advantage in propogating offspring over the billions of non-abductees
    5) as noted earlier, abduction reports featuring non-greys would have to be "re-imaged" or dismissed entirely

    And there are probably numerous other objections. But in favour of this scenario, time travel must be much easier than intergalactic travel. And the existing theory of alien-human hybrids only makes genetic sense if the aliens are in fact a variety of humans.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I'm assuming a long period of time in my suggestion, Terry, a thousand or more years perhaps.

    What the abductee sees or reports as their aliens is tempered by whatever memories the unconscious uses to foist the event to consciousness; some will see grays, some will see reptilians, and so on.

    If the "aliens" are humans a thousand eyars hence, DNA manipulation would very likely be a common practice, since we, today, are nearly able to do so across the board and do so in some instances, already.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • So the author believes that abductees are sexually frustrated and confused people who only believe they have experienced something.
    Then how do scars appear and disappear, how about multiple witness situations?
    Hundreds of thousands of people have experienced interactions with non-human entities sometimes the interactions are good sometimes they are bad. But to round the entire field up and put it in a box labeled "the sexually frustrated" is a joke.

    By Blogger UFOchick, at Thursday, January 02, 2014  

  • From Netwing (not a RRRGroup member, but an associate of sorts):

    From its inception (c. 1997-98) through 2001, I subscribed to Whitley Strieber’s Unknown Country forum which functioned as an ersatz support group for self-professed abductees. Abductors described by these individuals encompassed the usual suspects—Strieber’s iconic grays, also reptilians and insectoid beings. Other, more benign entities allegedly visited some of these people, as well.

    The longer I digested their conversations, as they divulged in increasing detail their personal histories, the more apparent it became that at least the more garrulous contingent of claimants were survivors of unfortunate experiences as they were growing up.

    Negative factors in their early lives included alcoholic/drug dependent parents or step-parents, frequent family relocation, financial insecurity, neglect, and abuse. Abuse was never identified as being sexually-colored. There were epilepsy and autism among immediate family members. Something else that came to light over time were a handful of prior (and several concurrent) episodes of mental illness in the abductees themselves. Too many pointers to dysfunction and/or mental aberration within abductee families to ignore.

    Abductees took comfort from the belated concern they received from other forum members. I came to understand that much of this was consideration they’d deserved many years before, from the people who raised them. As a side note, considerable time had been, or was being spent by these folks playing around with mind-altering substances, kundalini, OOBs, thought transference, and other new age/paranormal practices.

    Nearly all were kind, intelligent, highly creative, and articulate. I felt great sympathy toward them for the confusion, fear, and pain they expressed. And came away unconvinced that whatever dreadful events shaped the course of their lives had anything to do with alien intruders.

    I wish the forum archives from that time period were still intact. They’d be revelatory to any student of the phenomenon.

    For what it's worth,


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 02, 2014  

  • @UFOchick:

    You've missed the point entirely. It has nothing remotely to do with "sexual frustration", though a Freudian might disagree.

    Most of the psychiatric literature and journal articles view the abduction phenomena as a mental form of self preservation from a past trauma...molestation is just one facet...there are others.

    I've had patients that have used a variation of this theme to cope with the loss of a spouse or child...hardly not "sexual frustration."

    Rich has provided a list of authors such as McNally and others who have looked extensively at the subject matter.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Thursday, January 02, 2014  

  • @UFOchick

    And if you distrust mainstream scientists, ufologists have written books critiquing abduction reports. I recommend these highly:

    Kevin Randle, Russ Estes, William Cone: Abduction Enigma (1999)

    Chris Rutkowski: Abductions and Aliens: What's Really Going On? (1999)

    This book, by a member of the UK Society for Psychical Research, has an excellent chapter about abductions.

    Dr. Paul Chambers: Sex and the Paranormal (1999)

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, January 05, 2014  

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