UFO Conjectures

Wednesday, January 01, 2014

The 1962 Twilight Zone Episode that sparked some Alien Abduction Tales?

These are a few clips from a The Twilight Zone episode that aired on the SyFy Channel News Year's Day:
The episode was about tall-tale teller Frisby, who was approached by two Men in Black (minus the hats) and who eventually got him aboard their flying saucer.

Planning to take him to Venus, he demurred and only escaped by playing his harmonica, the tones of which killed the aliens.

The episode's air-date of 1962 precludes it from being instrumental in the Betty/Barney Hill abduction but may have allowed for insertion of some elements in later abduction accounts: the interior of the saucer, the visage of the aliens, the escape or dropping off of the abductee as in the 1975 Travis Walton scenario.

While the images in the TZ story may have been incorporated into the repressed memories of those who recount abduction stories, those are just usable images that the unconscious minds would use to flesh out a neurological /psychological memory that is too painful to be made conscious: generally an unwanted sexual encounter (molestation).

There is little doubt in my mind that alien abduction accounts are repressed sexual memories that are pressing the unconscious to release.

However, the conscious mind can't allow such memories to appear in their pristine or real state, thus such traumatic episodes are disguised, as made clear by Freud and C.G. Jung, and spring forth in a way that seems acceptable to the abductee.

That abduction stories are, on the face of it, bizarre and psychotic-like, they still are less damaging to the psyche of the abductee than a recurrence of thee traumatic sexual event or events they suffered earlier in their lives, usually as a child, although their is some indication that unwanted sexual activity in adults or near-adults can also provoke repression, and therefore are only brought to consciousness by within a scenario that is basically devoid of sexual content.

Abduction accounts do have a sexual element sometimes, but the sexual aspects are reconfigured as medical procedures rather than outright sexual activity.

Using images from a television show or movie, or even a book or magazine article, assuages the psychological pain that derives from being sexually exploited by an unwanted person or persons.

Alien abductions are essentially dream associations, dredged up from the unconscious, which wishes, according to Jung's theory of Individuation, to make a person psychically whole.

That they are couched in alien or extraterrestrial garb and mise-en-scene is not psychologically unusual and certainly not proof that someone has been taken aboard a flying saucer of UFO.

Abductions are grist for psychiatry, not ufology.



  • Hence, the alien abduction scenario is a psychologically acceptable "memory" than the actual traumatic event.

    Rich, most journal articles lead to that conclusion...I actually looked at quite a few articles last night while my wife watched the New Year's eve events on TV...spurred by your previous posts.

    BTW...love those old TZ episodes and least we not forget the psychological impact of the Outer Limit programs...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Just an add on:

    I believe that not only is the abduction scenario acceptable a memory of the abductee, but the general public appears to prefer this scenario as well.

    We generally abhor that something traumatic, such as childhood molestation, or other abuses wreck havoc. Perhaps for some, the subject matter is to close to home.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • When you write about abductions, you sound just like Gilles Fernandez.

    By Blogger Yvan D., at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Thanks...

    I think.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Think otherwise.

    By Blogger Yvan D., at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I did...

    I was just having some fun with you, Yvan.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • The similarity between classic ghost phenomenon and abduction tales is striking less the cookie cutter science fiction scenarios. The presence of vivid dreams very often accompanies “hauntings”, and of course there is temporary paralysis, the walking through walls, the appearance in a room without physical entry, the floating of the apparition in defiance of gravity. One could say in light of similarities, these “psychic” manifestations certainly have a neurological facet to both of them if one is inclined to take accounts at face value as being honest accounts.

    Many years ago while house sitting for a friend, I had three nights of being provoked.. My dog ran under a corner desk and I am somewhat embarrassed to say I hid under the blankets when loud raps woke me out of a sound sleep. The next night, every pot and pan, silverware etc that I had just washed were thrown all over the damn kitchen or so I thought. I went there and nothing was out of place. The third night loud whispering interrupted my reading a book.
    Are they ( ghost - alien phenomenon) two sides of the same coin? Who knows?

    I found out later my friend Jane failed to tell me or warn me of this. The next owners experienced the same thing..the dragging of a large concrete fountain across the basement floor etc.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • And this is connected to sexually repressed memories and alleged Alien Abductions, how, Bruce?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I don't think that all of them are screen memories behind which lurk sexual abuse as some have said or other forms of repression.

    What is interesting is what ghost, NDE, alien abductions,exorcisms all have in common.

    Whether Hindu, Christian or otherwise, both NDE and exorcism scenarios follow what was ingrained and anticipated in those who experience them.

    Christians see Jesus or are cured by him while others experience whomever what or whom they conceptualize as an end result.

    The same could apply to UFO encounters of yore through viral distribution and Twilight Zone could be one of several potential culprits.

    Betty and Barney set the pattern for abductions, possibly also by viral distribution.

    Yet I find it difficult to say all are the effect of prosaic explanations.

    Some are, of course.

    There seems to be a sort of mirroring process going on much like the vaunted observer effect.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Continued
    The Grey Aliens and Ghosts share the same behavioral key characteristics I mentioned in the first comment. Abductions correspond to hauntings in that while aliens take the abducted to space ships, the same journey to strange environments ( the past, visages etc) is reported in many ghost events. I suspect the best description of both would be an enhanced state of vivid dreaming..not a case of an actual physical journey.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Bruce...

    As is your wont, you spread the topic across a landscape -- one that might be tangentially relevant -- so that the argument is mired in concepts that are difficult to untangle.

    My point was secured, I thought, to the idea that "alien abductions" are rooted in sexual malfeasances which are repressed.

    The unconscious tries to raise those repressed memories to consciousness, but is thwarted by the process that doesn't allow psychically damaging memories to surface. (See Jung)

    That the unconscious tries subterfuge by incorporating memories of inane or peripheral images (from TV, movies, et cetera) is what I'm suggesting.

    By the way, while typing a response, your "continuation" forced me to abandon my reply as Google would insert your addendum after my reply, confusing the issue even more.

    Can you please, I implore you again, get your comment all in one posting, rather than scattering it across the Blogger environs?



    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • What you are referring to is the false memory syndrome and there has been only one study conducted regarding this specifically to alien abductions I am aware of and the results were far from conclusive.

    In addition, false memory syndrome is highly controversial and there is no consensus that it even exists.

    I have to disagree that shared key characteristics among varied anomalous experiences are to be discounted in favor of a theory yet to be proved.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • NO, I'm not talking about false memory syndrome, whatever that is.

    I'm talking about the Jungian process of Individuation and the Freudian principle of repression.

    False memory syndrome is not a term for this discussion.

    Characteristics among anomalous experiences may intrigue those who wish to throw everything into the debate mix, but I'm trying to keep the topic confined to the specific matter at hand.

    That is, going off-topic, no matter how relevant one sees their point of view as, is eschewed by me to keep the "discussion" within the bounds of understanding.

    You know I love ya Bruce, but you are inclined to add everything in your encyclopedic reference to matters, confusing the lesser lights, like me, and others.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • They are not two different manifestations of repressed memories
    ( false memories and alien abductions as repressions as false memories)
    Here you go.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I have the paper, Bruce, and suggest others download it.

    But "False memory syndrome" is not a category in it, while false memory and false recognition is endemic to the paper.

    What I present is the Freudian and Jungian views which CLANCY, MCNALLY, SCHACTER, LENZENWEGER, AND PITMAN use, without citing Jung or mentioning Freud only in a Bibliographic aside.

    (They also are preferred by you as they employ your technique of glomming the matter with everything including the kitchen sink so that laymen walk away befuddled and dismissive.)

    That sexually repressed memories are the nub of alien abduction accounts, my point here was that a show like the TZ presentation might have allowed abductees to use imagery and themes that give a lesser patina of perversion to their experience.

    It's the Dostoevsky version of admitting to a lesser crime to mitigate a greater crime: stealing of money vs murder (as in Crime and Punishment).

    The alien abduction scenario is less embarrassing or ugly than the idea one was molested by a family member or other person.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • True skepticism does allow facts to guide conclusions; it is the false skepticism of debunkers that accepts no guidance from facts, because such people “know” the answers already.
    You have solved the issue regardless of dissenting opinion on the subject not only from yours truly but from the unsettled nature of the matter among professionals, which you present your views as an edict in the form of a conclusive argument.Only in your mind, Rich.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Bruce:

    I've concluded nothing or think I have.

    I merely note the relationship, as I see it, between imagery, as presented, and the tales of alien abductees.

    It' a suggestion, not an edict or pronouncement.

    False memory syndrome strikes me as a kind of psychobabble, not unlike the posterings of scientists in the posting about Through the Wormhole scientists who create an ersatz category and think they've presented a valid platform for debate.

    Moreover, you weren't dissenting so much as supplementing with all the goods in your arsenal.

    That was my objection.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I have plenty more in the arsenal but it would be pointless to continue as far as I can see. BTW..Happy New Years. It was fairly humorous as I was typing a comment my dog began to chew off the corner of the wife's new credenza.I had sort of two choices of continuity. One would garner the wife's wrath and the other would have not separated my comments. The choice was easy.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • Phew...

    And a Happy 2014 to you buddy.

    (Getting you to post a comment, intact and complete in one take is one of my NY resolutions. I do it for the small community here.)

    Also, I'm dealing with over 600 media persons at our MediaWatch page at Facebook.

    Those asses, one and all pretty much, make me cranky with their asinine responses and postings.

    The more obnoxious I am with them about their stupidities, the more they like it and I keep getting "friend requests" even as I try mightily to winnow the list of media friends on our page.

    Thus I am short with people here whom I respect, such as you.

    You'll forgive me my social transgression(s) I hope.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 01, 2014  

  • I had "dreams' around 1964 of beings in my home I punched the "alien" in the face. It was a mask( alien). It cracked but I couldn't see the face underneath. It was some years before I realized that this experience was tainted at least some by that T Z episode.I could accept that the whole experience was derivative from past trauma and b eing a big fan of T Z. BUT my grandma saw a disk above our home over the same 48 hour period Is it a screen memory or the whole enchelada? I don't know

    By Blogger Steven Silvia, at Saturday, January 04, 2014  

  • Interesting, Steve...

    Art imitating life or life imitating art.....or a "real" event.

    Apparently not a psychotic episode, although the way your comment came out, I'm not so sure.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 04, 2014  

  • I agree with the psychological aspect but rather that these repressed memories are from childhood- very early childhood before the ability to speak and be mobile. When a newborn awakes in the night they are hopefully tended to by whom ever is responsible for this child. this person then gets up to tend to the child. looking from the child's point of view they may see a bright light (as the light has been switched on) these are newborn eyes so have not adjusted properly to the accepted normal range of vision or the room could be dark, (as the attending person my not want to disturb the child too much)they then look up at the being in the room. Seeing a face in the dark from the blurry eyes of sleepiness you may only be able to make out the rough shape of a face which could look oval shaped due to the low light or the shadow of the light behind it, also they eye sockets are likely to look black and much larger due to the dim light this could give the almond black eye look that is popular in the 'grey' alien look. now as a newborn you are unlikely to know where sound comes from so are unlikely to notice things like lips moving, and a reassuring caregiver would make the child feel at ease giving the represses memory that they were reassured with a type of telepathy or that as a baby you felt comfortable when you recognised the smell of your special person, as a repressed memory you may not remember the smell but the reassurance that everything was going to be OK. As a baby you may be moved from your comfortable bed to a change table which may be a lot colder than your bed - the repressed memory of this is lying on a cold hard surface. you could then be stripped almost naked and cleaned from soiling yourself as babies do.The repressed memory of this could be that you were stripped naked and had your privates touched and examined. then you are most likely settled back to sleep where you wake up in your bed as a adult having just relived the experiences from the early months of your life but your adult brain is rationalising these experiences as current. If you had an angry care giver who had to get up to you your remembered experience would likely be very frightening. So I believe a lot of these 'abduction' experiences could just be disjointed memories of early life.

    By Blogger Todd G, at Sunday, January 05, 2014  

  • Just happened to see this podt.

    The following is the ending of a paper written by my father I recovered from a hard drive that belonged to him:

    "Despite all of the glamour associated with the idea of "man-shaped" aliens, is it not just as easy for the scenario to be implanted in the minds of the percipient as is indicated in some of the stories described in the literature in which horror scenes are implanted in the mind of the percipient?

    "We have already accepted that the Abuser can make people see what he wants them to see, why can't the whole abduction scene be implanted? One can answer that the signs of physical abuse are not explained by this scenario. But if the abused is being tricked by the abuser then there is no way to tell what is going on anyway!

    "Is it not possible that the Abuser in the abduction reports is in some other shape than man (or in no shape at all!) and imposes control on the mind of the abductee for his own purposes? Regardless of the genetic implications of the stories told by abductees on the basis of the fact that the whole scenario is in the intelligence mode I strongly suspect that it involves somthing else altogether than human genetics. Whatever the case the Abuser knows the human preponderence with sexuality.

    "If the Abuser really has the power to fool the human mind that he appears to have, it seems entirely possible that much of the phenomena described in abductions can be explained on this basis.

    By Blogger gishzida, at Sunday, January 05, 2014  

  • > to make a person psychically whole

    Susan Clancy's abduction book supports this. Some of her subjects were unhappy people who didn't know why they were unhappy, so they found an external cause -- aliens. These people were actually relieved to have finally found an answer!

    This undermines the rhetoric of terror mongers such as Hopkins and Jacobs, who argue that no one would make up horrifying and humiliating experiences, therefore they must be real events. (Guess they haven't heard of masochists!)

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, January 22, 2014  

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