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Thursday, January 16, 2014

The Hill "Abduction" -- Morphing Details?

While skimming Patrick Huyghe's The Field Guide to Extraterrestrials, with illustrations by Harry Trumbore [Avon Books, NY, 1996], I came across the précis of the 1961 Betty/Barney Hill abduction taken from John Fuller's The Interrupted Journey [Dial Press, NY, 1966].

I had, from an earlier reading, yellow-penciled this:

"... Betty remembered large noses and black hair" on the aliens who, allegedly, took her and Barney aboard their craft. [Page 30]

Then this:

"Barney recalled that the leader wore a cap and black scarf over the shoulder." [Pages 30/31]

Illustrated by Mr. Trumbore, thusly....

Now I ask, when did the alien descriptions morph into little grey beings, with bald heads, no hair, and slits for the nostrils?

Yes, Barney attributed slits for the nose (nostrils) and no hair on the beings that supposedly kidnapped him and Betty, but his description is befunked by the cap and scarf designations.

We've dealt with the Jimmy Durante nose description by Betty earlier here, when I suggested that the Hills may have been confronted by rednecks in a truck who closed in on them and engaged in harassment (or worse), presenting a traumatic event that the Hills repressed and reconfigured under hypnosis -- creating the story that has come down to us as an extraterrestrial abduction.

The large nose, black hair, cap and scarf are details that have been suppressed or changed by ufologists, but remain clues to what actually happened to Betty and Barney Hill.

Those details mitigate the alien/extraterrestrial aspect of the Hill tale, but the UFO-ET crowd has eschewed them.



  • ...and you are aware that the "text" of Betty's original letter that Fuller included in 'The Interrupted Journey' was heavily redacted and edited by Fuller, right, RRRGroup???

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • I love the part where the alien tells Betty to "wait a minute..." also bravely hidden by the promoters of the tale.


    By Blogger Lance, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Yah, the story is replete with fictive elements, but we have to give Betty props for holding it together all those years, with the help of UFO practitioners.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • The Hill abduction? MKUltra

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • I agree with Redfern. Just like The Vila Boas encounter this has all the hall marks of a concocted UFO event simulated by the CIA using psychological inducements.

    By Blogger Cyberchotic, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • There are actually some very interesting threads involving Fuller and MKUltra. He actually met some of the CIA personnel involved, back in the late 1950s, and he wrote the book "The Day of St. Anthony’s Fire," all about the early 1950s Pont-Saint-Esprit, France affair, which was almost certainly a pre-MKUltra-type event.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Let me see if I've got this straight. This is the very same CIA (MK Ultra) that has botched just about every international event that they have tried to influence.....but they managed, somehow, to psychologically induce--and flawlesly--the Hill abduction and the Vila Boas caper. Incredible. And I thought space aliens in flying saucers was a stretch.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Dominick:

    But there is something to remember: one of the reasons why so many CIA botched events (or even successful events) have been uncovered is because the mainstream media has looked into them and uncovered the facts.

    The problem is that mainstream media (with its finances and staff available to investigate in-depth) hardly ever do in-depth probing of the UFO issue, because it's not seen as worthwhile.

    If the mainstream media gave the same persistence as that which was given to looking into Iran-Contra, WMD, Watergate etc, then we might actually find more of this MK/UFO angle surfacing.

    That's the problem: the regular media is conditioned to think the UFO issue is bullshit. So, it steers away from it.

    If the major funding and manpower that has been devoted to issues like those above was also applied to UFOs, the might find something very interesting. But, they won't do it.

    As for us, as a UFO community, we are limited in terms of time available and funding.

    Plus, regardless of what people might think, there IS a MAJOR MKULtra-John Fuller link - Fuller being the man who wrote the Hill's story up in his "The Interrupted Journey."

    Fuller's private notes show he was fascinated by MKUltra, LSD and the Pont-Saint-Esprit, France affair, and how people's minds could be transformed to see something fantastic - which was the absolute crux of Pont-Saint-Esprit.

    Not many have looked into all this, but I have. And I have something coming out on all this in a few months, something which will present Fuller in a whole new light... And not a positive light. The man is going to come crashing down like a ton of bricks.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Fuller was paid well to help nurture the imagery of "alien abductions" via The Interrupted Journey. And I don't mean paid well by his publisher...

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Hello Rich, it's been a long time and I'm glad your recent absence was short-lived.

    Nick's comments are interesting and there's no reason to doubt his implications before reading them. Sounds like he's got something up his sleeve again.

    Still, I'm always wary when MKULTRA is used to explain historically strange accounts and incidents.

    Was it in the hypnosis tapes or in the panel-show interview when Betty Hill spoke of the abductors? She attempted to describe the faces and noted that there seemed to be a membrane behind the mouth of one. When I heard that comment,I was struck with the image of someone in a mask.

    Yeah, I thought 'someone' and not real alien in a fake alien mask. Ultimately, it's a kicker of a story and, notwithstanding Nick's forthcoming info, likely to remain inconclusive.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Yes, Kandinsky...

    The Hill story is still open to investigation and explanation as far as I'm concerned.

    Such tales seems to have no smoking gun.

    (Nice to see a comment from you.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 17, 2014  


    Reminds me of Dr Leon Davidson and his ideas of how the CIA 'used' Adamski in the 1950s, even to the extent of taking him on rides round the moon!

    If you look hard enough you can always find a link somewhere between UFOlogy or ufologists and the secret service guys.

    Here is another (certainly not new): Admiral Hillenkoetter and NICAP. Was H a CIA plant? Answer: of course he was, If some 'researcher' is determined enough to prove H was a plant he will find evidence for it!

    But we are getting into conspiracy theory again.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Dominick:

    RR had a couple of telephone conversations with a Former AID / CIA agent who in my opinion spilled the beans on the whole Abduction charade. His name was Bosco Nedelcovic. Redfern has also investigated this and has devoted a chapter to it in his book contactees. Most of the contactees from the 50's like Orfeo Angelucci had their drinks spiked with LSD and then taken for a joy ride aboard a UFO. I wonder what ever happened to Martin Cannon, the guy that wrote the controllers!

    By Blogger Cyberchotic, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Cda:


    By Blogger Cyberchotic, at Friday, January 17, 2014  

  • Cyberchotic:

    Yes, and this was the very title of an FSR article by a certain Dr Leon Davidson back in the early 60s I believe.

    I even took it semi-seriously at the time. Try rewriting the equation and see what happens.
    e.g. does CIA = UFO - ECM ?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, January 18, 2014  

  • Rich, allow me to go 'woo' (yet again) here.

    Of course there's no scientific proof for this, it's just extreme speculation, but if what the Hills were abducted by were non-human beings (and not necessarily ETs) we could consider crypto or meta/ultra-terrestrials who pretend to be ETs because that's what our space-aged society expects.

    Maybe investigator/writers such as Ann Druffel and Rosemary Ellen Guiley are correct about different orders of beings that co-inhabit (or stealthily inhabit) our world. Djinn, Fairies, Nephilim ect. Maybe we're not on top of the food chain (as Charles Fort darkly suggested) nor the most intelligent beings here.

    The word 'glamour' stems from alleged fairie behavior where they can affect what we perceive. Most CE witnesses and abductees report the sensation/perception of the Oz effect (as Jenny Randles studied and coined it). So, Betty thought she saw a creature with a "Jimmy Durante" nose and a workers cap; which, I personally recall, was commonly worn by train workers. As a little girl in the 1960s, I'd watch the train go by with my playmates near my home and the various workers (except the conductor) would have those type of caps on and would wave to us.

    Perhaps some intelligence pulled a comforting sight out of Betty's memory (sweet-natured comedian Jimmy Durante) and a reliable workers cap for her to see.

    Barney probably wasn't affected by any 'glamour', for whatever reason, and saw what was there -- noseless/mouthless/bug-eyed/bulbous-headed grey beings that were hideous.

    It's interesting that the sexual motif of reproductive experiments played out with psychiatrist Dr. Simon unwittingly extracting from the couple, with his PTSD hypnotherapy, long before anyone could blame Hopkins & Jacobs for that. There were other abduction investigators too - Fowler and Sprinkle - who were getting the same disturbing reproductive obsessed 'aliens' long before H&J were on the scene.

    There have also been reports in some investigators books (Fowler, Turner, Bathlolic, Guiley and some european investigators) of earlier 20th century accounts of the typical greys as well as their predilection with our reproduction. They were the parents/grandparents ect. of older abductees, suggesting a familial link here. This lines up with much of the folkloric behavior reported over centuries of djinn/fairies/nephilim (maybe they're all one in the same).

    For anyone who'd think the CIA was behind this I'd ask to what end? What's the point of pulling this (and the 1957 Antonia Vilas-Boas abduction, which has now also been attributed to the CIA)? Why would the CIA want people to think aliens are abducting humans and tampering with them genetically? To what end is this alleged abduction-oriented psy-ops expermint about?

    And do the decades later MILABs reports by abductees fall in the same CIA category? Some abductees swear they're "re-abducted" after being taken by aliens. They claim they're taken by human paramilitary. I wonder if that's accurate or is that more smoke and mirrors 'glamour' by these enigmatic beings?

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Sunday, January 19, 2014  

  • It seems that there is a lot of wishful thinking [and conspiracy theory musings] in making the assumption that *every* event reported by 'abductees' or 'contactees' *must* really have a mundane explanation [the government, drugs, insanity, the sun, the moon, Venus, etc].

    What about a situation where someone experienced something "inexplicable" which appears to be one of 'manipulation by parties unknown' [mundane or not] but actually left a result that was physically observable to a 'trained observer' that would lead the observer to believe that the event was not 'mundane'?

    The case I am speaking of occurred just short of 60 years ago but was never reported to "the authorities" either the UFO community or to "the government" but was one I heard from my parents from a young age [since they were the 'victims' of the event].

    While what they described possibly could be mistaken for an MKULTRA side project [since the first part of the story as my father recorded it has the trappings...] except for observable physical evidence on one of the 'victims' [my mother] the day after 'the event'. The thing observed was "not possible". Now the other really 'different' part of the story is the description of the "Contactor" is unlike any that I have ever heard reported.

    One other thing to be noted is that at the time my father had an AEC Q Clearance [he was working at a nuclear facility] and falling prey to such an operation would likely have meant the end of his career... instead he went on to work for a major aerospace company which required a top secret clearance.

    My father did not believe in E.T.s, yet he did not think that a "human intelligence" could pull off the kind of consistent deception and the weird experiences that contactees have reported. He chose to believe that there was an "Unhuman-Trickster-Intelligence" behind all of the "weirdness" and manipulation of contactees.

    It was recently asked here so "where is the government evidence?" As the ongoing NSA whistle-blowing has shown-- the facts governments wish to keep hidden do get out eventually...

    I would say that part of the answer is there is none-- much of what was happening was someone covering up some kind of Black Ops... and yet...

    There are those weird, inexplicable events and observations [landing sites / burn spots in places where they shouldn't be found, melted aluminum cans in remote locations, lights in the sky, measurable magnetic fields in places where they should not be {Gulf Breeze, FL), and yes even the experiences of some contactees] which leads one to believe that no 'blackops' unit could pull that level of detailed strangeness off.

    Could it be the government's answer to not having the answer to the inexplicable is simply to make these things seem so ridiculous no one will take the inexplicable and its observers seriously?


    By Blogger gishzida, at Sunday, January 19, 2014  

  • For someone to think that LSD can make one more easily influenced by suggestion only tells me they've probably never taken it. It's not very effective in that regard, which was one reason the CIA gave up using it in their quest for the Mancurian Candidate.

    By Blogger Lee Oswald, at Sunday, January 19, 2014  

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