UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, February 04, 2014

Facebook and the UFO Phenomenon

Facebook is ten years old this month. UFOs have been “prominent” since 1947.

Facebook has more than a billion members.

UFOs have considerably less followers than that, and never had anywhere near a billion aficionados.

Facebook is on a decline; members jumping ship in droves, especially the younger set.

If Facebook – a rather recent, vital human sub-text – is already dying, how can anyone, with a straight face and ounce of sense think UFOs are still vital and alive?

UFOs, as a topic of interest, has lost its cachet with almost everyone except those of us who cling to the subject because our “addiction” has not been sated.

Even the so-called Roswell slides will not rejuvenate UFOs as a viable topic of vibrant interest.

Yes, there will be a surge among UFO mavens but that shall subside, as the slides, purporting to show an alien life-form from the alleged Roswell crash of 1947, prove to be about as valid, scientifically or forensically, as the once ballyhooed alien autopsy film.

UFOs are a non-topic in academic or scientific circles – all know that. But UFOs have become anathema in social circles too, completely ignored or shunned among polite, sensible cultured groups.

There will continue a rag-tag coterie of die-hards (me among them maybe).

But for all intents and purposes, UFOs are a dead issue.

And all of you know that.

RR

19 Comments:

  • Maybe the only reason UFOs will stay around is to drive traffic to web sites and gaining advertising clicks.

    I'm sure if they could figure out how to do it there be the UFO equivalent of Duck Dynasty or one of the other "reality cable TV" shows.

    I found the results of a survey here:

    http://www.livescience.com/21216-americans-ufo-belief.html

    which shows the numbers of "believers" are "holding" the same in 2008 and 2012-- about "33% believe in UFOs".

    On the other hand I'm not certain that "livescience.com" is actually a valid place to get science news... especially since Fox News quoted this article... and Livescience has passed off a couple of articles of 'religious beliefs, theology and questionable history' as actual science.

    Caveat Emptor.

    By Blogger JHC, at Tuesday, February 04, 2014  

  • "But for all intents and purposes, UFOs are a dead issue."

    Yep, which is why I always tell people to have a life away from the subject and don't make it the thrust of your entire existence.

    When ufology dwindles even more, those who will suffer are those obsessives whose entire free time is spent staring at the skies, or laying in bed pondering on what happened at Roswell.

    But that's not just applicable to UFOs. Obsessives are everywhere. As just one example, there's a guy in my apartment block who spends all his free time with his head in comic-books and spends TONS of money on them - comic-books!

    A grown man in his 30s who should be living life is instead reduced to buying cartoon stories with men in tight costumes, capes and masks! Ridiculous.

    I met him once, as he saw me on Ancient Aliens, and I signed a book for him. He's a nice guy but is incapable of getting away from the subject of comic-books. We all know at least one person like that in Ufology.

    However, it's not a ufological thing as such, it's in most walks of life, to varying degrees.

    What this all comes down to is the issue of "crossing the line."

    For some reason, certain people cross the line between what is an interest and what ultimately becomes an all-consuming, life-controlling obsession of a very unhealthy kind.

    I actually think it's a myth that all of Ufology are like that. They clearly aren't. I'm certainly not. I balance my UFO writing (which is my job as a writer - that's how I look at it, as a job, nothing more and nothing less)with a normal life.

    But, it's the obsessives who provoke the image of the geeky, obsessed, virgin male living in his parents basement etc.

    And when Ufology becomes more and more marginalized and less of an attraction, they will be the ones to suffer. The rest of us? We'll do what we have always done: live our lives and do the other things that life offers.

    Yes, UFOs are interesting. But a regular life (and actually leaving the house now and again) is even more so.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, February 05, 2014  

  • List,
    The Alien Autopsy is still very much a part of ufology and will eventually be found to be footage of a real event. When that happens, then the real excitement begins:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3NwgD6HmUQ

    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Wednesday, February 05, 2014  

  • Not gonna happen Ed....

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 05, 2014  

  • Given that this article is chiefly about the decline of Ufology, and the Alien Autopsy film is only a minor part of it, I will limit my comments to the following:

    I don't know what the AA film shows. But I DO know that the final story of Ray Santilli as to how the film was shot, where it was shot etc etc is not the full story...

    That doesn't mean the film shows an alien, a dummy, a deformed human, a crypto-terrestrial or something else. It simply means that in terms of the story, there is still more to come...

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, February 05, 2014  

  • To continue to promote either the alien autopsy film or the forthcoming Roswell 'slides' as anything useful to science is like promoting a 3-legged biped.

    Does anyone really care if there is "more to come" on the Santilli film?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, February 06, 2014  

  • CDA:

    I don't get it either.

    The Alien Autopsy contrivance is deader that a door-nail, in sane quarters.

    And the Roswell slides have been compromised by the statement that the "body" is in a building, taking away the premise that the photographer, Bernerd Ray, with his geological colleagues, stumbled upon an Army team mopping up an accident.

    A building? How did the photog get entree? Why would he try to?

    The autopsy film and the slides are ghosts of a dying Roswell denouement.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 06, 2014  

  • CDA: I'm not saying people should care re the AA film. If I thought that, I would be telling people via blog posts.

    I only mention it because it's referenced in the article.

    The extra data that has not surfaced (yet) will not resolve anything, beyond demonstrating that the story told of its origin is not complete. And that's all.

    The extra info will not prove anything - significant or otherwise.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, February 06, 2014  

  • Nick Redfern wrote: "I actually think it's a myth that all of Ufology are like that. They clearly aren't. I'm certainly not. I balance my UFO writing (which is my job as a writer - that's how I look at it, as a job, nothing more and nothing less)with a normal life." . . . .
    " But, it's the obsessives who provoke the image of the geeky, obsessed, virgin male living in his parents basement etc." . . . .
    " And when Ufology becomes more and more marginalized and less of an attraction, they will be the ones to suffer. The rest of us? We'll do what we have always done: live our lives and do the other things that life offers." - - -

    And yet, Nick, these "obsessives" have created a market for your "job" - whether your books or your schtick on 'Ancient Aliens'. If the "obsessives" fall through the subject being "marginalized", your "job" will too.

    Sometimes it's best to appreciate who provides your bread and butter. ;-)

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Friday, February 07, 2014  

  • Susan

    First, writing books is not my "bread and butter." I work as a writer chiefly in regular journalism. I may be known more for the books, but to say they are my bread and butter is so far off target as to be a joke.

    I specifically refer in my comment to my job as "a writer." Yes it is, of which maybe 20 percent max is based around UFOs or Forteana.

    As for your "it's best to appreciate..." comment, what complete and utter crap. As anyone who knows me will be aware, I always make time for people, and stress how much I DO appreciate them coming to lectures, buying books etc.

    As for your comment re Ancient Aliens etc - are you actually saying that the majority of people who watch UFO themed TV shows are the "obsessives" I talk about?

    Of course they aren't!!

    The problem is that it's the obsessives (who are actually the minority) who get a lot of attention, because the media considers it good visual imagery, and then it kind of creates a "meme" that makes people think all of Ufology, or a lot of it, is exactly like that.

    Most people who want to chat to me at conferences etc about Ancient Aliens are regular people that like the show - Nothing obsessive about them at all.

    The small number of nuts are the ones the press likes to promote because it's good visual imagery - from their perspective, at least.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Monday, February 10, 2014  

  • There is simply no comparison of any kind whatsoever between the "Alien Autopsy" and the Ray Slides.

    One is patently fake- the other as real as the nose on your face.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Tuesday, February 11, 2014  

  • Nick Redfern to me: "Susan
    First, writing books is not my "bread and butter." I work as a writer chiefly in regular journalism. I may be known more for the books, but to say they are my bread and butter is so far off target as to be a joke."
    >"I specifically refer in my comment to my job as "a writer." Yes it is, of which maybe 20 percent max is based around UFOs or Forteana."- - -

    I didn't know you are a "writer chiefly in regular journalism". I binged and googled your name, just now, and nothing much "regular" came up. In fact your wiki page appears to set the tone for your writing interests.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Redfern


    Nick Redfern to me: "As for your "it's best to appreciate..." comment, what complete and utter crap. As anyone who knows me will be aware, I always make time for people, and stress how much I DO appreciate them coming to lectures, buying books etc." - - -

    I was referring to the "obsessives" and am heartened to read you take time to appreciate them.

    Nick Redfern to me: "As for your comment re Ancient Aliens etc - are you actually saying that the majority of people who watch UFO themed TV shows are the "obsessives" I talk about?
    >Of course they aren't!!
    >Most people who want to chat to me at conferences etc about Ancient Aliens are regular people that like the show - Nothing obsessive about them at all." - - -

    Well, if they're 'Ancient Aliens' viewers I'd venture to write they're probably gullible and easily given to sensationalism and maybe that makes some of them "obsessives". I find it hard to imagine these are "regular people" unless they're just having some fun and not taking the tripe on 'Ancient Aliens' seriously. lol The other ufo-themed programs are just about as poorly created too.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger brownie, at Tuesday, February 11, 2014  

  • Susan

    That Wikipedia page was not created by me. I have no idea who created it, but it contains no less than 41 errors. I have recommended it be taken down (the message flagging it to be take down may very well still be there), but with no luck unfortunately.

    As for my regular work, it's local newspapers, London Daily Express newspaper, I do a lot of feature writing for Penthouse, also a lot of contract work for authors (editing, proof-reading, ghost-writing etc), and for lawyer firms that handle medical lawsuit claims.

    I find it amazing that the people who watch AA are not "regular people."

    Just because someone may watch AA does not make them a weirdo, an obsessive, etc. It just makes them interested in the phenomenon. It doesn't make them the classic "adult living in mom and dad's basement-type."

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, February 11, 2014  

  • If I recall correctly, the diehards at UFO Updates suspended Mr. Gehrman from the list because of his cranky promotion of the AA film.

    Even they had enough.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Thursday, February 13, 2014  

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3NwgD6HmUQ

    List,
    If you watch the video link above
    you'll see an interview my daughter conducted with Dr. Leir.
    It's Dr. Leir who insists that the AA is not a hoax. He states his reasons for believing this.
    Is his logic faulty?
    The AA was a lucky accident that presented evidence the UFO community has chosen to ignore.
    Perhaps, as Tony has suggested: you're just not ready for it.
    Ed

    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Saturday, February 15, 2014  

  • Thanks, Ed....

    BY the way, we're not a list.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 15, 2014  

  • You said:

    "BY the way, we're not a list."

    Yes, my mistake; you're the RRRGroup.

    I didn't pay much attention until the Kodak slides discussion but I've found your posts and comments section well worth reading.
    Ed


    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Saturday, February 15, 2014  

  • Thanks, Ed (again),,,

    I don't want to be connected to the UpDates gang.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, February 15, 2014  

  • Group,
    It's my understanding that the creature shown in the Rey slides doesn't have any teeth. Is that true?
    Ed

    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Sunday, February 16, 2014  

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