UFO Conjectures

Friday, February 21, 2014

The Origin of the Roswell Slide(s) Story?

In the April 1976 Official UFO magazine, on Page 24 ff. appears an article by Raymond Fowler about crashed UFOs and bodies.

Besides the notorious Kingman, Arizona “crash” there’s a report of a crashed saucer at Mattydale, a suburb of Syracuse, New York; the report given to Fowler by a Mr. And Mrs. Marsden.

The incident happened between October 1953 and May 1954, given to Fowler in 1967.

An object about 20 feet in diameter and 15 feet high, exuding phosphorescent lights of several colors, which illuminated “quite a few men walking around the object and examining it. Some were uniformed and some were not. One man had what appeared to be a large press camera…and was taking pictures.” [Page 25]

Fowler then recounts the Kingman incident (of 1953) by an AEC project engineer, Fritz A. Werner, who was asked to help in the investigation of a crashed, super-secret Air Force vehicle:

The crashed, unknown object was allegedly studied by Mr. Werner and others; Werner providing an affidavit in which he said he glanced a “dead body of a four-foot human-like creature…The skin on its face was dark brown.” Werner was cautioned not to divulge what he had seen.

Werner was supposedly assigned to Project Blue Book later on, but Fowler wasn’t able to confirm that but was able to determine that Werner had some actual bona fides and was a credible source, who had a diary of his activity at Kingman.

(Fowler also mentions, in his piece, a Dr. Eric Wang, who figures in the memory metal that Anthony Bragalia found was studied by Battelle and NASA, and was said to come from the Roswell crash.)

So, what is the exact connection to Roswell that the Roswell Team sees? Or are their touted slides from another incident in the 1947-1953 time-frame?

Nick Redfern sees the sign that appears in the controversial photos as a possible clue to tell us where and when (perhaps) the pictures were snapped.

More to come?



  • Rich,

    Werner was identified as being Aurthur G Stancil.

    He worked for the AMC at Wright Pat, the place where presumably the bodies an craft of both Roswell an Kingman crashes where taken.
    which supports the fact that Bernard Ray may well of been given these photos, but from who an from which crash?
    if the photos were conclusively proved 1947 as opposed to 1953 then more likely Roswell.

    By Blogger Al12, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Nick mentions a "sign" and you refer to it in this post. Nick, please share! What sort of sign is it? Approximate size in relation to the alleged bodies? Square, round, what(?) and where placed relative to alleged bodies? Your best guess on whether the writing on it can be translated?

    By Blogger Dominick, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Fellows:

    The sign that Nick references intrigues, somewhat.

    The Werner/Stancil story also intrigues.

    The problem is that the Roswell Team thinks it is a research operation and it isn't.

    I know these guys and know about them; they leave me wanting.

    If they opened the discussion to the UFO community, of course they'd get a lot of goofy and ignorant comments and asides but they'd also get some helpful input such as what you've provided and what a Nick Redfern might provide.

    But they have become a fraternity (of dunces?) not able to give forensics a chance, and they eschew outside aide from persons who could really bring something to the table.

    The matter is grist for evaluation whether the Team likes it or not, and not after the fact, but now.

    They don't get it.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • They leave everyone wanting Rich?

    however i would rather they are released with all the knowledge they can get aquired first.

    An Anthony did provide updates last year on this, whether that info is now relevant or not in light of these discussions of proposed new slide scenerios, who knows?
    we,ll be enlightened soon hopefully.

    By Blogger Al12, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • As mentioned in my Context post, there is much to be answered.

    And what about how the slides were acquired or found?

    Do the possessors have legal right to them or are they stolen goods?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • I have no idea unfortunately of the sign size, style etc, only that there is a sign and it obscures the genitals.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Or the genital area, Nick?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • well, yeah, the genital area.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Nick:

    I didn't want someone, like Ed Gehrman, running off telling people that he read here, the "aliens" have genitals.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • that's actually a good point, in terms of the assumption that there are actually genitals!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Rich, Eric Wang has nothing to do with memory metal. You are thinking of Dr. Frederick Wang, alleged co-inventor of Nitinol, with whom I spoke.

    And folks...this is all very silly. Your speculations and conjectures frankly make us laugh.

    That is because they come from people that have no relationship to the investigation and have done nothing to help- but somehow know more than we do! There is no need to goad and cajole us.

    I know that "the waiting is the hardest part." But wait you will...


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Anthony,

    You seek to tempt us with your wares, but clearly have nothing to offer.

    If evidence is genuinely compelling it does not need to be presented with prestidigitation. Alas, this is what is on the cards. The masters of ufological legerdemain will serve up another infamy, but not before someone pays for the privilege.

    Tom Carey made some pretty big claims as to what kind of pay day this story could bring to ingratiate himself with the owner of the material, and now in lieu of a spine he has a rod of his own making.

    By Blogger Ross, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • Anthony

    Its all good natured though,

    Were just impatient buggers thats all.

    At least i am anyhow.

    By Blogger Al12, at Friday, February 21, 2014  

  • AJB said: "Your speculations and conjectures frankly make us laugh."

    Yet you have the nerve to say: "Dr. Frederick Wang, ALLEGED co-inventor of Nitinol..."

    You passed "conjecture" and went right to "libel."

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Saturday, February 22, 2014  

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