UFO Conjecture(s)

Monday, June 23, 2014

A Socorro-like incident in 1790 France?

David Ritchie in his book UFO: The Definitive Guide to Unidentified Flying Objects and Related Phenomena [MJF Books, NY, 1994] provides an incident that allegedly occurred near Alençon, France in 1790.

“ … farmers in the area saw a huge globe, described as big enough to contain a carriage … surrounded by fire, flying through the air, with a whistling noise, at high velocity … it decelerated and settled on a hilltop. The object gave off so much heat that trees and grass beneath it began to burn …

That evening … they examined the globe and found it was still warm. It appeared to be undamaged … From a door that opened in the side of the object, a humanoid wearing tight-fitting clothing emerged. The entity said something that the spectators did not understand, and then escaped into the nearby woods …

Soon afterward, the globe exploded and sent fragments flying all around. The fragments … burned themselves to powder. No trace was found of the humanoid. [Page 6]

Interesting, right?

But Terry Hooper, at his blog, no longer thinks so:

And David Darling, at his web-site, dismisses the story altogether:

Is this what will happen, eventually, to Lonnie Zamora’s 1964 report?



  • A very interesting post that seems to verify the old axiom that a story if repeated a number of times transposes itself into fact.
    This prompts what also seems to be at first glance, an unrelated question.
    How many St Christopher medals are worn at this moment to ward off accidents?
    In the current issue of Fortean Times, it is reported that St Christopher's status as a Saint has been downgraded.
    The reason why?
    There is ample evidence that he never existed.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, June 23, 2014  

  • I'm with Terry Hooper on this. Without the original report from 1790- this very well may be a hoax. Even with the report it would be hard to say either way. But at least there would be some validity to whether or not it really happened, hoax or not.

    Now if the original report could be found- and somehow the exact same symbol Zamora reported was also found scribbled in this report...

    I don't think the Socorro incident is going anywhere for now. Although maybe 200 years from now it will be forgotten.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Monday, June 23, 2014  

  • Everyone seems to forget that we have physical evidence from Socorro. This can distinguish it from many, many reports both recent and past, including your 1790 incident, RR. If (and I emphasize if) we can rule out any hoax, then something unconventional with weight and mass left 8 imprints in the ground, some apparently from landing legs.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Monday, June 23, 2014  

  • The 'craft', a little simple in style, resembles a number of the millions of UFO reports (even forgetting that human perception is not good and that our ability to interpret those perceptions without bias is terrible).

    The 'humanoid', apparently reported as wearing tight fitting clothing. This style shows in more recent reports/ interpretations of 'aliens'. The age of the apparent report makes it feel different.

    Are these details a strong indication that supposed visiting aliens are not entirely based on the mass of media in the last century? Or does it indicate something else? You tell me.

    PS Baggy pants seem never to have entered the fashion cycle of visiting aliens, have they?

    All the best folks,

    By Blogger Woody, at Tuesday, June 24, 2014  

  • Why didn't Robyn Collins (1974 book) ask Antonio Fenoglio (1967 article) about it?

    Anyone got a copy of Clypeus Magazine? Does entomology play a part in this?

    Did Vallee (1975) cite a text (besides quoting Collins quoting Fenoglio)? Did he actually have the Fenoglio article?

    So far, the Alencon story isn't well supported. Perhaps our European readers might help out here.


    1790? French Revolution, and mutual slaughters of Catholics, Protestants, Republicans, and Royals.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Tuesday, June 24, 2014  

  • Woody: "PS Baggy pants seem never to have entered the fashion cycle of visiting aliens, have they?"

    I bet they do during an era when such clothes were worn. There was another such account mentioned by Rich a few months ago (at least) from an earlier period. We can compare that one (will look it up).

    In the last quarter of the 18th century mens' fashion changed from the elaborate "club macaroni" style to a simpler style, which in France was a "Republican" fashion. It appears, though, to have originated in England (Regency fashion) popularized by Beau Brummel.

    Someone in tight clothes might mean an Englishman or a Republican.



    By Blogger Don, at Tuesday, June 24, 2014  

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