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Thursday, June 26, 2014

AIR FORCE SCIENCE COMMANDER: “MORE ROSWELL DEBRIS WAS FOUND 10 YEARS AFTER THE CRASH” by Anthony Bragalia


The government’s efforts to recover debris from the UFO crash near Roswell, NM in July of 1947 was not as complete or thorough as many believe. This is because a decade later -in the late 1950s- a Roswell cowboy retrieved a very strange piece of metal from the desert floor. The material was in fact so extraordinary that it was examined by a military scientist who would soon afterward be appointed Commander of the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, located at Roswell-involved Wright Patterson Air Force Base. The Commander, Dr. Knox Millsaps, indicated that the cowboy’s find was very similar to what witnesses to the crash debris had reported in 1947.

The lead to this story was provided by General Nathan Twining’s namesake son. Twining was Commander of the Air Materiel Command (AMC) at Wright Field at the time of the crash and later became the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

My associates Tom Carey and Don Schmitt relate this information in their 2013 book “Inside the Real Area 51: The Secret History of Wright Patterson.” Tom shared with me some additional details on this extraordinary debris find. And in researching the story further, this author has learned more. The namesake son of the Air Force Commander who had examined the flexing metal is the Chair of Aerospace Engineering for the US Naval Post Graduate School. It is the US Navy that invented Nitinol (memory metal.) And the Commander’s son’s research interests include shape recovery alloys and the use of memory metal in space vehicles.  And interestingly, the year after Millsaps Sr. was appointed Commander of the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, the first shape-memory alloy in history, Nitinol, would be produced by the US Navy. Other telling connections have recently made supporting the story .

A GENERAL’S SON PROVIDES A LEAD

General Twining’s son Nathan Twining Jr. became very close with Tom Carey and Don Schmitt. He provided to them intriguing stories learned from his father about the UFO subject. Of special interest to researchers (including myself) is the persistent mention of strange debris found at the crash, some of which was described as thin pieces of “shape memory” alloy. Such material is a distinctly post-Roswell concept. When Twining Jr. was asked by the researchers if he may have any leads on this, he suggested that they get in touch with his friend, retired Lt. Colonel Sidney Johnston.  Johnston, he told them, was very credible and may be able to provide some insight into the matter because Johnston had himself held and inspected the material.  He may be willing to relate to them his own Roswell metal story. Thankfully, he was.

A COLONEL’S CONFESSION

In verifying his credentials, it was established that Sidney Johnston was a Lt. Colonel and accomplished Pilot and Aeronautical Engineer during WW II for the Army Air Corps.  Upon retirement from service, he became a civilian Test Engineer with military contractor Northrop Aviation and worked at Holloman Air Force Base in Alamogordo, NM. Wright Patterson Air Force Base often used Hollloman for testing aircraft, flight endurance and other experiments and evaluations. Johnston (who flew 44 combat missions) also served as pilot for Holloman’s Commanders - Generals Davis, Hooks and Branch. While there, Johnston collaborated with two extremely accomplished engineer-scientists. One was John “Rocket Man” Stapp, an MD, PhD and Air Force Flight Surgeon who also personally tested ultra-high-speed vehicles. He was known within his time as “The Fastest Man On Earth.”

THE SCIENTIST BRINGS IN THE METAL
Johnston’s other associate (with whom he shared office quarters) was the late Dr. Knox Millsaps. Millsaps, an acclaimed mathematician with a focus on thermodynamics, was an associate of Werner von Braun and other science luminaries. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell stated in a radio interview that von Braun was involved in the Roswell crash investigation. Millsaps was prior assigned to Wright Field where his research included working on metallurgical projects. In fact he was there in 1947, the year of the Roswell crash. Knox was also associated with the T-3 Branch (Research and Development) at Wright under General Curtis LeMay at the Pentagon. LeMay, according to the late Senator Barry Goldwater and others, had knowledge of the UFO crash material. From 1960-1965 Millsaps would serve as Commander of our nation’s Air Force Office of Scientific Research. Located at Wright Patterson, Millsaps likely knew Wright’s Base Commander in 1964 and 1965, General Arthur Exon. In the late 1990s Exon admitted to researchers Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt the ET nature of the crash and talked about the debris and its testing, saying, “the reports are still around.” Given where he was, who he was and the people he associated with at various times (von Braun, LeMay, Exon, etc.) Millsaps would be uniquely positioned to have known more than a little about the nature of the Roswell crash. As shown in the interview transcript below, what he said to Johnston and Stapp made it clear that he knew this newly-found material related to the Roswell crash from years ago and that he must get it to Wright’s Materials Lab as soon as possible.

Johnston, when reached, related that in the late 1950s when he was at Holloman, he and “Rocket Man” John Stapp  were joined by Dr. Millsaps one morning on coffee break. And it was on that morning that all three would together be bewildered by a material with seemingly otherworldly properties and characteristics. Dr. Millsaps presented Stapp and Johnston with what Johnston said was:

“Roughly a foot square of aluminum-like metal, about 3/16 of an inch thick. The edge of it was not cut but separated like it had a rough edge, but straight.”

He gives a further description on the impervious yet ultra-thin material’s “squeezability” and flexibility and it’s odd “tension” and temperature dispersion properties:

“The more you squeezed it, the more tension you could feel. It was flexible…we couldn’t break it or scratch it in any way…yet it was flexible.”

“We put a cigarette lighter to one end of it, and it immediately became the same temperature all over.”

“I had no idea what it was so I asked Millsaps if he knew. Millsaps answered that he’d like to know too.”

Johnston was curious, and asked of Millsaps where he had obtained the remarkable material.  Johnston states that Millsaps then replied, “Go talk to the people over at Roswell.”

When asked what he was going to do with the metal-like debris, Millsaps shared,I’ve got to talk to somebody at Wright-Patterson about it.”

Later that day the conversation about the magical material picked up again. As Johnston recounts, Millsaps then further explained, “A cowboy over at Roswell who came over to Alamogordo to visit a friend had presented him with the strange piece. The other man brought it to the base where his brother worked and brought it to my attention. He wanted to know what it was but I couldn’t identify it myself. Wright-Patterson has a Materials Lab, which is where I’m taking it.” Millsaps then took back the bizarre material and headed out. The subject was never discussed again. Johnston apparently felt it best not to inquire of his security-cleared coworker the results of the lab’s analysis, and Millsaps never offered Johnston any further details.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON

Dr. Knox Millsaps namesake son is Dr. Knox Millsaps Jr. He is currently the Chair of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering at the US Naval Postgraduate School. The US Navy’s involvement in memory metal studies has been well-documented by this author. The Naval Postgraduate School is attended only by military officers and select contractors in the private sector.  Department Chairs and other employees at the University often hold Top Secret Clearance with SCI access.

Curiously, Dr. Millsaps Jr. seems to have “picked up” on his father’s interest in exotic materials. He has acted as both Advisor and Approver in guiding research dissertations that relate to the use of Nitinol Memory Metal in Space Vehicles. One of these research documents has led to the award of a US Patent. The Secretary of the Navy is named as assignee. In both 2010 and in 2012 Millsaps reviewed and accepted dissertations, the first of which is entitled, “Development of Nano-Satellite Micro-Coupling Mechanism with Characterization of a Shape Memory Alloy Interference Joint.” The 2012 dissertation is similar but includes studies on the actual integration and testing of such memory metal space devices.

And Millsaps Jr. maintains association with his late Commander father’s base, Wright Patterson. Millsaps Jr.’s picture can be found on the Wright Patterson AFB website giving awards through the National Defense Education program. It is inconceivable that Millsaps Sr. did not relate the same Roswell metal story to his namesake son. After all, he shared the piece for examination by his co-workers John Stapp and Sidney Johnston and related to them the backstory. Would he not have shared this information with his same-name son, who like his Dad, is a PhD , an engineer, in military, and who has a specific interest in aerospace metals? This author has left repeated messages (both by voicemail and by email) to Dr. Millsaps to gain this benefit of his thinking on this Roswell-related episode involving his father. Millsaps has elected not to call or email me back. He rather obviously wishes to avoid comment on the matter. But what does matter is that his learned father added to his admirable legacy by sharing the material with a coworker friend who, when sought out, revealed what he knew.

If this story is accurate, it means for that at least 10 years after the crash some of the debris had yet to be recovered. This gives hope that some might still be left to be found. The military is not infallible and they were unable to retrieve every single piece. Some of the debris from the crash remained to be discovered by a Roswell cowboy on an arid day a decade on. Though that cowboy’s name is now lost to history, his actions have forever changed it.

AJB

37 Comments:

  • Well, now I'm real keen on seeing what the Dream Team uncovered. :)

    By Blogger Clayton Robertson, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • AJB
    From Wikipedia..er,you might want to discuss your theory with Dr. David S. Muzzey.

    Note the developmental arc of the material sans alien spacecraft.

    The first reported steps towards the discovery of the shape-memory effect were taken in the 1930s. According to Otsuka and Wayman, A. Ölander discovered the pseudoelastic behavior of the Au-Cd alloy in 1932. Greninger and Mooradian (1938) observed the formation and disappearance of a martensitic phase by decreasing and increasing the temperature of a Cu-Zn alloy. The basic phenomenon of the memory effect governed by the thermoelastic behavior of the martensite phase was widely reported a decade later by Kurdjumov and Khandros (1949) and also by Chang and Read (1951).

    The nickel-titanium alloys were first developed in 1962–1963 by the United States Naval Ordnance Laboratory and commercialized under the trade name Nitinol (an acronym for Nickel Titanium Naval Ordnance Laboratories). Their remarkable properties were discovered by accident.

    A sample that was bent out of shape many times was presented at a laboratory management meeting. One of the associate technical directors, Dr. David S. Muzzey, decided to see what would happen if the sample was subjected to heat and held his pipe lighter underneath it.

    To everyone's amazement the sample stretched back to its original shape.
    There is another type of SMA, called a ferromagnetic shape-memory alloy (FSMA), that changes shape under strong magnetic fields.

    These materials are of particular interest as the magnetic response tends to be faster and more efficient than temperature-induced responses.

    Metal alloys are not the only thermally-responsive materials; shape-memory polymers have also been developed, and became commercially available in the late 1990s.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Also..a more detailed narrative of the discovery is here:

    http://www.stanford.edu/~richlin1/sma/chem.html

    Details of the laboratory work:

    Kauffman, George, and Isaac Mayo. "Memory Metal." Chem Matters Oct. 1993: 4-7.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Tony

    Excellent piece, it would seem then that nitinol probably was our best efforts at the time to back engineer the memory metal

    The debris could change its state under almost any conditions whereas Nitinol is limited

    However i am still doubtful that some still remains out ther after all this time,

    remember frank kimbler has tried using sound geological techniques to find debris but didnt unfortunately find any memory metal although he did find some unusual metal pieces.

    By Blogger Al12, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • One of the common complaints posed against skeptics is that they do not read the material they criticise and in this case AJB proved to be a skeptic of a prosaic explanation.
    The central issue is a balanced investigation is seriously lacking as the self referencing material in his post lacks a paper trail that is comparable to that of the more probable explanation in the steady development of this material complete with laboratory reports, a developmental arc, collaborated and credentialled witnesses on the record, etc. I would not call this a balanced investigation. I see nothing that casts doubt on the established record as a fraud or hoax by as many parties as we care to count. A vast conspiracy.
    The absence of these materials in your post that relies on your collaborators book, a unnamed “cowboy”, a witness who is not confirmed, etc has the taint of innuendo and rumor as it’s sole basis. tied together with a invisible thread that is rationalized by a theoretical secrecy in place as a basis for an alternative reality without empirical evidence.
    Any investigation needs a thorough examination on both sides of the equation. Here it is missing and if this were not focused on Roswell and had as it’s subject any other allegedly open ended issue, no one in their right mind would observe you have done a thorough and balanced investigation. Only in Ufology do we have inference as empirical evidence, unless you count Saddam’s secret stash of chemical weapons and that proved to be a complete fabrication.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Bruce-

    I address David Muzzey in one of the seven articles I have done on the memory metal subject. And I and Billy Cox both spoke with the supposed inventor of Nitinol, Dr. Fred Wang.

    I suggest that you re-visit those articles as most all your other comments/objections are addressed very directly.

    AI12-

    Thanks for the kind comments. The debris that we would love to have-the Holy Grail- may be possible to get if one of these three things are true:

    1) Military men or scientists were somehow able to abscond with a small piece when when retrieving it or when handling it.

    2) Nearby ranchers to the crash site/s or their children retrieved some crash "souvenirs."

    I am convinced that two of this ranch kids -Dee Proctor and Dan Richardson- stowed away some of the material in caves.

    3) Small bits of debris remain hidden in the NM desert (beneath a bush, under brush, in a ravine or embedded in the dirt) and still waiting to be found.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • @AJB

    Would you recommend reading up on anything prior to the release of the Dream Team stuff? I'm always in need of reading materials. :)

    By Blogger Clayton Robertson, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Clayton...

    The "Dream Team" sobriquet was dropped months ago.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • True. We (Tom, Don, David and I) work cooperatively however there is no 'formality' to this and we do not ourselves ever use that moniker.

    Best book to acquaint yourself Clayton, would be "Witness to Roswell" Second Edition Carey/Schmitt.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Tony

    no problem, i always look forward to your work

    i guess the potential problem you face is convincing these people to come forward with the material ( should anyone have any )

    We can only hope.

    By Blogger Al12, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Nitinol is a red herring in this story; the sooner we stop talking about it, the better. It appears to be a fact that—for whatever reason—the USAF decided to kick off a large R & D program to develop Titanium as a structural material for the US aerospace industry shortly after the “Roswell Incident” of 1947. That decision may or may not have been influenced by the detection of Titanium as one of the constituents of the so called “Roswell memory metal”. So what? Once the R & D program was under way, it was inevitable that they would explore the range of different alloys that Titanium was capable of forming—including the Nickel-Titanium alloy that came to be named Nitonol. Nitinol is an example of an intermetallic alloy, which only exhibits its thermal shape memory effect when the Nickel to Titanium ratio is about 50/50. Bruce is correct that the theory behind intermetallics goes back a couple of decades before Nitinol was discovered.

    Again, so what? The important part of this story is the “Roswell memory metal” itself. If this story is true, we have an independent verification of what the primary witnesses of 1947 said they saw. And by the way—I don’t know how many times I have to say this—the “memory” effect of the Roswell foil is the least interesting part of it. This fact is lost on those who have never taken a strength of materials (or similar) class in college. EVERY metal is a “memory” material. Every metal displays elasticity to some extent; that means when you apply a set of forces on it, it will deform to some extent and then return to its original shape when the forces are removed. The thing that’s interesting about the Roswell foil is that its apparent elastic limit is so high (≈ 100%) compared to normal metals (≈ 1%). This is called superelasticity, and it’s a totally different phenomenon than the thermal elastic phenomenon displayed by Nitinol. Superelasticity of the Roswell foil can be easily explained if the foil is actually composed of microscopic fibers, at the nanoscale. Given that numerous witnesses reported the foil as being highly underdense, this is a reasonable conjecture.

    The important part of the story is the statement: “…We put a cigarette lighter to one end of it, and it immediately became the same temperature all over….” This is a description of thermal superconductivity—the same phenomenon described by numerous witnesses back in 1947 (but not named by that term). (And, before everyone runs to Wikipedia to research “superconductivity”, please note I’m NOT referring to electrical superconductivity. Electrical superconductivity is a well known physical phenomenon that has a long history; thermal superconductivity is a research topic just beginning to emerge from nanotechnology.)

    Thanks for doing the research on this Tony. The logjam may be beginning to break….

    By Blogger Larry, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • I'm always eager to read your reports Tony. Great work- and thank you for carrying on this investigation!

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • YO!!! Tony!!!-

    "True. We (Tom, Don, David and I) work cooperatively however there is no 'formality' to this and we do not ourselves ever use that moniker."

    ...so is this a tacit admission on your part that Chris Rutkowski and Kevin Randle have found your personally questionable "research" to be unacceptable for even Roswell 'UFOlogy'?...

    (http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/12/david-rudiak-joins-dream-team.html?showComment=1324795584544#c3951542536089433374)

    ...so what is it, "AJB"?

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Friday, June 27, 2014  

  • Who was this cowboy who discovered the metal? Surely if what Tony says is true, this man's name ought to be public knowledge long before now. Or was he 'silenced' under the threat of death?

    Where are the research papers detailing the great discovery and the subsequent analysis of the said metal? Surely they are available for interested parties to see. Where are they, Tony?

    Finally, when is all this 'Nitinol from Roswell' twaddle going to cease? Nitinol has a well documented history as Bruce says, and does not need any ET refinements to be added to this history from undocumented tittle-tattle derived many decades later by researchers who are literally besotted with the idea that ETs crash-landed on earth in 1947.

    Meanwhile, for the normal, scientific world the search for life on other planets (ANY form of life, not just intelligent life) continues.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • CDA
    The basic reason for my taking the time to refute AJB’s innuendo concerns it’s irresponsible nature which is especially galling if one takes the general subject seriously. This irresponsibility of spreading more rumors without substantiation is insulting to those who worked very diligently to develop this material. I had a stent placed in my artery that was inserted with a metal wire made of this material. It saved my life.
    If this were a serious endeavor of investigative journalism, AJB would have kept the lid on it until he had collaborative, empirical evidence. This is not the case, over and over again, as they say. This rumor mongering for the sake of notoriety is the primary reason no one takes this subject seriously and it is simply a memory metal hoax foisted upon those who do not know the extremely well documented history of this alloy.
    AJB has erased all pretense of balance in his reporting for sake of a hoax, which is what this whole pathetic exercise is in the manner of a cult fired by the allure of over-active imaginations. It’s an indelible stain that will not wash out. This parody of research is what constitutes a cult whose basis is more psychological requiring no proof.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Larry, Clayton, Daniel, A112..
    Is there reasonable doubt toward AJB’s account?
    Where are the chain of custody documents for this material which would also catalog who supplied the material to examine as well as it’s location when found?
    Where are the laboratory reports that detail the protocols and details of testing?
    Where are the metallurgical assays?
    Where are the sworn affidavits that certify these second or third hand testimonies as being representative of an actual conversation?
    Why was there no secondary search and recovery for more samples? If there was, where is the evidence in field reports for that effort?
    Do you simply leave the possibility of evidence scattered around regarding an ultra secret discovery? Where is the follow up?
    Where are the required three sources to verify Johnson’s blabbing and where are the repercussions of violating a security oath?
    Why would Millsap violate his in the chain of custody by having it in clear public view in a cafeteria or elsewhere?
    Why has Millsap not returned your enquiries to verify his father’s key role in this scenario if it is now an “open secret” and is a very significant contribution of research?”
    If an individual claims to be a CIA agent such as Geller, why would they violate their own status by openly declaring it?
    Why would Stanford university and others create a hoax and create falsely documented research that has no basis in reality thus exposing their vital research credibility needed for grants and place their credentials in jeopardy?
    Where is the analysis of non Roswell related research documenting it’s development in AJB’s essay?
    Where is the government official refuting of this “solid” evidence if it is germaine and exposes their lying to the public?
    Why would they have this material in house when having a private entity have custody of it for analysis avoids FOIA requests as this is a normal protocol?
    Why has no effort been made to squelch AJB’s “research”?
    I could go on and on...I normally do not indulge in this sort of thing but enough is enough. I think you are mistaking a bag of Cheetos for a gourmet meal.


    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • The absence of these materials in your post that relies on your collaborators book, a unnamed “cowboy”, a witness who is not confirmed, etc has the taint of innuendo and rumor as its sole basis. tied together with a invisible thread that is rationalized by a theoretical secrecy in place as a basis for an alternative reality without empirical evidence. Exactly, excellent points and well said, Bruce!

    I would suppose the mystery cowboy is conveniently dead except that he more probably never existed; and the same is true of the "Lt Col" who seems to exist only in this, yet another, Roswell story, whose antecedents are tall Airship tales of mystery metals and secret codes by way of Amazing and FATE elaborations.

    Such ripping yarns had charm for children in their time but one can only wonder what fascination this poppycock has for rapidly aging adults well into the twenty-first century. The authors' sole monetary motive in pounding out another crappy Roswell book composed of name-dropping, hearsay and fantasy is plain. How credulous Tony profits by regurgitating a bit of their nonsense on the Internet is the real mystery. "If this story is accurate...." Good one, Tony! A big "if" indeed.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Zoam
    I think an appropriate term for this technique as it has been demonstrated many times by this writer is called conflation.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Bruce,

    If it was top secret ther probably wouldnt be any chain of custody documents floating about for the world to see, all you would ever really have is word of mouth.

    This might seem like an convenient excuse but anyone who has had top secret clearance knows how compartmented some information can be and is virtually impossible to access

    This would explain why you only have peoples accounts and not paper trails or evidence, would this apply to an ET scenario?

    The brookings report suggests mankind shouldnt be told about alien life, that may be a one off report but it is a report that government officials would of took onboard so you definately cannot state for certainty that we or science would be told about alien life if it was found.

    By Blogger Al12, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Obviously CDA and Bruce have never thoroughly read the massive amount of information on this subject I have completed. It is clear, so links are provided below.

    Bruce's knowledge extends no further that a misread of Wiki and Zoam- Johnston certainly was real, you have nothing to add to this so you cry,"Liar." Pathetic.

    Really read these articles, spend 5 years research the matter as I have done, than feel free to comment:

    “Roswell Debris Confirmed as Extraterrestrial: Lab Located, Scientists Named” (May 26, 2009)
    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-debris-confirmed-as.html

    “Roswell Metal Scientist: The Curious Dr. Cross” (May 31, 2009)
    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-metal-scientist-curious-dr.html

    “The Final Secrets of Roswell’s Memory Metal Revealed” (June 7, 2009)
    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/06/final-secrets-of-roswells-memory-metal.html

    “Scientist Admits to Study of Roswell Crash Debris” (August 16, 2009)
    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/08/scientist-admits-to-study-of-roswell.html

    “Roswell, Battelle & Memory Metal: The New Revelations” (August 8, 2010)
    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2010/08/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-new.html

    “Roswell’s Memory Metal: The Air Force Comments, NASA Gets Involved and New Clues are Found” (July 31, 2011)
    http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2011/07/roswells-memory-metal-air-force.html

    “The Secret Experiments in Space with Roswell’s Memory Metal” (February 5, 2014)
    http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-secret-experiments-in-space-with.html

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Secrecy is not an excuse for confabulation. The very concept that it is secrecy that lends credence to it is a prime example of extrapolating something from nothing.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Also..
    A similar example from a cohort of AJB, a certain Mr Randle.

    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ufo-author-kevin-d-randle-says-america-unearthed-makes-him-think-the-smithsonian-is-suppressing-truth

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • AJB
    The best you can do is reference yourself? Reading that material twice won't take away your knack for
    using Crazy Glue to inflate your misguided sense of journalism.
    Thanks for the offer, but I prefer citations outside of your preferred universe of one.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • The point is that with all this Nitinol stuff, there is simply NO PAPER TRAIL. There is absolutely nothing in any of the Nitinol research papers ever published that mentions the metal (or whatever) found at Roswell, New Mexico, or in fact from anywhere else that a UFO reportedly crashed.

    Are we to believe that this fact was deliberately suppressed by each and every scientist, metallurgist, etc who was involved in the development of Nitinol?

    AJB would have us believe this. It is a preposterous notion, and one that would only be promoted by a conspiracist.

    It is not worth wasting any further time discussing this ET/nitinol idea. It is twaddle, as I said before.

    In future, Tony, please produce some verifiable evidence, preferably in the form of written documents. And please, DO NOT try to hide behind the idea that, even after 67 years, all this is still top secret and can never be officially revealed.

    No I have not examined all the published papers, but I am totally certain that the Roswell UFO is never, repeat NEVER, mentioned as the source in any of them.

    Can AJB disprove this?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • I can admit that this is far from concrete. However, there seems to be a strange coincidence of people bringing up Roswell whenever memory metal is involved. So these high profile metallurgist, scientists, and military figures all seem to talk about ET in relation to memory metal? Of course these coincidences are only based on mostly secondhand accounts.
    I would be wary of the Rancher from 10 years later since it mirrors that of Mac Brazel. It is obviously a lead though and just because it sounds unlikely does not rule it out.
    My thoughts about the rancher turning in the metal seem odd. A somewhat small but very strange piece of metal is found. What motivates him to turn it over to the military? If it is true, the military must have scoured the property it was found, interrogated him and his family, friends, and possibly neighbors. I would hope that there would be other folks who could corroborate the rancher story.
    I think it's worth following up on. As well as trying to get a comment or story from Millsaps Jr.

    Secrecy may be seen as a convenient reason we cannot find a paper trail or official documents. But the fact remains that some classified projects are simply off limits. I don't think Tony ever states that any of this is 100% rock solid evidence of ET. So why the vitriol?

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • Why does everyone seem to believe that our governments would share the fruits of an ET discovery with the rest of the world or the science community?

    The governments of the world have compartmented far less important things in the world than alien contact, be it roswell or anything else.

    Alien contact or ( Roswell ) would be one of if not the most profound events for humanity, for obvious reasons it wont all at once just "come out" or be released by our governments, it will be more likely be highly compartmented and extremely controlled

    This is probably ( if true ) the reason why Tony can only find scratches of whats gone on and his efforts should not be put down for it.

    By Blogger Al12, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • A!!2
    Look at the other side of the coin. What are the advantages of compartmentalized secrecy to such a discovery now?
    Look at any poll and most accept the reality of the phenomenon from which this fairy story derives itself.
    You don't see anyone running for the hills.
    Scientists would be given an enormous gift to wrest the funds they seek for space exploration that have now been cut to the bone. Even the space station is now likely to be let go.
    Why would this be so if ET was in our neighborhood? Why would we waste money on SETI?
    Secrecy is not a reason to conflate or confabulate an unproved scenario. Suspicions are one thing, propagandizing a string of rumors as facts are another.
    My own suspicion is that those in the scientific community associated with the military know this is benign and remains as unknown to them as it is to us.
    They also have more pressing issues rather than to devote time and energy to a phenomenon at the fringe of our perceptions.I don't happen to agree with that rationale.
    Technological science has overridden discovery science.
    If you want to be concerned about something think about our secret court for national security that approved ease dropping on 9,000 individuals with just a single warrant.What kind of warrant would that be?
    The point is that those who believe in conspiracies like those in the mind of AJB should not cherry pick this while ignoring that to create a set up to place imagination before examining all the evidence, not just that which suits them or fits their beliefs which come before them.
    It is one thing to have these vague theories and another to foist them as propaganda on the public which is already confused or unable to see the nuances in all this.It is irresponsible and they know it and it's called self aggrandizement.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • @Bruce and Zoam

    I'm mostly just curious about what would excite the scene so much. The Roswell meme is very interesting to watch, and the stories around the stories are entertaining. :)

    By Blogger Clayton Robertson, at Saturday, June 28, 2014  

  • cda and Bruce, arguing with A Bragalia on his 'memory metal' bugaboo nonsense, is like arguing with 9-11 conspiracy theorists.

    I don't need to spend 5 years (like Bragalia seems to think) wading through 9-11 conspiracy twaddle to know that it's easily discredited garbage. Same with Roswell, I don't need to spend 5 years studying a modern-day fairy tale, that is entirely self-referential and assumes as a given what it actually needs to prove, to know that it is twaddle.



    By Blogger Lawrence, at Sunday, June 29, 2014  

  • Stick to the topic Lawrence...
    You may know a lot about "twaddle", but not so much about 9/11.

    The subject is Roswell in all it's many obfuscations and mind boggling ramifications.

    By Blogger Unknown, at Sunday, June 29, 2014  

  • 3/16" thick is "ultra-thin"? That is very thick sheeting. Why this odd discrepancy?

    By Blogger Arcturus, at Monday, June 30, 2014  

  • > "thin pieces of “shape memory” alloy. Such material is a distinctly post-Roswell concept."

    Mr. Braglia, in your seven articles, do you deal specifically with the issue -- already brought up by Bruce -- that the concept was actually discovered in 1932 by Arne Ölander?

    This is one of the few checkable claims you make.

    This is Olander's 1932 article
    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01349a004


    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Tuesday, July 01, 2014  

  • > thermal superconductivity

    Larry, I am no scientist, but when I read that bit about the cigarette lighter, I had to wonder, "Is that a desireable quality for a spaceship's hull on re-entry?"

    Thoughts?

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Tuesday, July 01, 2014  

  • Terry-

    Yes, I directly and specifically addressed this very "issue' a long time ago.

    Please read the section "Answering the Critics" in August 8, 2010's article "Roswell, Battelle and Memory Metal: The New Revelations" link here:

    http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2010/08/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-new.html

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Tuesday, July 01, 2014  

  • > Please read the section "Answering the Critics"

    Anthony, you don't answer the critics. You say the compounds investigated beginning in 1932 don't have memory metal properties -- you don't critique any of the scientific works in question, you just assert your opinion as fact. Scientists, however, do believe those compounds tested from 1932 on indeed have memory metal proporties. See this link in the infrequently cited but very prestigious UFO journal Nature, where the writers list some of the compounds you poo-poo and they note:

    "the shape-memory effect, (which these alloys also generally exhibit."

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v389/n6651/abs/389579a0.html

    Anthony, as with most UFO buffs, your engagement of the scientific literature is deplorable. Period.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Tuesday, July 01, 2014  

  • Terry-

    Let's see the AuCd save the life of a cardiac patient like NiTi (see Bruce Duensing's heart stent-testament to Nitinol, above.)

    Let's see AuCD help propel satellites into space, like Nitinol.

    Let's see AuCd form the basis of advanced engines like Nitinol Heat Engines (Google)

    Let's see AuCd incorporated in medical devices (including everything from eyeglasses to dental implants) like Nitinol.

    Let's see AuCd serve as an actuator or micromanipulator in a robotic system.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Wednesday, July 02, 2014  

  • > Let's see AuCD help propel satellites into space, like Nitinol. [etc[

    Anthony, you avoided my question entirely.

    Early on, you stated flatly that “shape memory is a distinctly post-Roswell concept." This is the statement I am challenging. I provided evidence you were mistaken and asked you to respond. Twice now you have argued -- with patent illogic -- that since AuCd doesn't have all the properties of Nitinol, AuCd is not a memory metal! You also ignored the scientific research that puts the idea of memory metal at 1932, 15 years before Roswell.

    From all this one must conclude you have been proven wrong.

    1) Memory metal is a pre-Roswell concept.

    2) Therefore, memory metal is not sufficient evidence of non-human technology being found at Roswell.

    Anthony, innuendo is not evidence.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, July 09, 2014  

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