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Thursday, June 05, 2014

Velikovsky vindicated?

Just as Freud is new again, I see Velikovsky resurrected also:



  • Interestingly, G.I Gurdjieff had the identical concept in his cosmology as well which was over one hundred years ago.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 06, 2014  

  • The problem with Velikovsky [and Sitchin's Niburu] is that they proposed the "close encounter of a terrible kind" during "historic times" or [in the case of Sitchen] just prior to the beginning of recorded history.

    Velikovsky thought a collision was the cause all of the "special effects" during the Exodus... but it is more probable that they were caused by volcanic activity [say something like the explosion of the Santorini caldera which pretty much ended the Cretan civilization].

    As for Sitchin's idea of Nibiru? He conflated three different civilizations, languages, and mythologies to create his own impossible prehistory. Supposedly the last "close pass" of Nibiru was in 556 BCE

    And let's not leave out Nancy Lieder[a alleged "Greys" contactee] who claims that "Planet X" and Nibiru are the same...

    The only real problem with any of these "prehistoric apocalypse" is that a close pass or a strike of such a planet would destroy not only our civilization but also destroy much of the Earth's eco-system if not making the Earth uninhabitable.

    Yes it's true that the Earth has had close passes or actual impacts... but on the order of at least 2 billion years ago... So how could Velikovsky be right how about something less than a planet killer?

    If one want to look for catastrophes as a source of "mythic stories" it is better to assume a small "planet crossing" asteroid impacts the earth see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_impact

    Now if you want to play with killing the planet yourself try "Impact Earth!" http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/ which is a scientific factual Earth impact simulator [you'll need a device that has Adobe Flash to use it].

    As for Aliens living on a wandering planet that has a 3600 year period? It gets d*mned cold when you get far away from the Sun. If you you are an "advance race" wouldn't you rather just find a more habitable place to live?

    Yet as science the idea of a "Planet X" is still alive. Another "minor planet" nicknamed "Biden" was announced in March of this year. Its discovery was announced on March 2014 [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_VP113 ] and has an orbital period of just over 4300 years...

    Yet another scientist has pointed out [see: https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-last-months-announcement-about-planet-x-was-probably-wrong-6fdf05e075de ] that it would have to be pretty far away from the sun... in fact the proposed orbit [~83 astronomical units away from the sun at its nearest approach] is still too close for the observed planetary motions of the outer solar system. In other words, there would be no possibility that the planet could ever get close to the inner solar system and hence no planet Nibiru.

    By Blogger Joel Crook, at Friday, June 06, 2014  

  • Joel is right about Santorini (Thera).

    Another example: Just as the Iraq War was getting underweigh, evidence of impact craters in the marshlands was found and dated to approx 2500-2000 BC. Some will recognize the dating implicating the collapse of the Old Kingdom and the Sumerian city states.

    Historians and archeologists need to revise their dating based on what we are learning about natural conditions in those times.

    I've mentioned the 'Velikovsky Effect' defined as deriving a correct conclusion from utterly invalid premises. It should worry the science campers.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Friday, June 06, 2014  

  • I should have added that Gurdjieff also paralleled the concept of more than one catastrophic planetary event.
    The collision with another planet that created the moon was followed by the axial rotation of this planet adjusting it's center of gravity as he put it as the Earth adjusted it's orientation to the pull of it's moon.
    His version was not that the entire ecosystem was wiped away but that it evolved itself to the ecological changes that resulted from the equatorial rearrangement
    within the centripetal diffusion of weather patterns.
    He was firm in his belief that a pre-sand Egypt was a tropical oasis and that migratory patterns after the second catastrophe resulted in India being one of the new colonies of mankind.
    All of these alternative and narrative theories remind me of "Hamlet's Mill" one of the more confounding studies of mythology.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 06, 2014  

  • Also ( I forgot )
    The planet in question that collided with Earth allegedly Gurdjieff described as having a large circumference in a elliptical orbit whose periodicity was enormously long. It would be interesting to look up (as an idle exercise) what he claimed the periodicity was.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, June 06, 2014  

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