UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, July 16, 2014

Despicable Ufology

An often complaint by UFO aficionados is that science, scholastics, and/or academics don’t study or examine the alleged “good UFO cases.”

And why don’t they?

One reason is the inherent lunacy of most UFO mavens.

But another reason is that the UFO crowd is adorned heavily with unethical people. Persons who steal material online, posting it as their finds or even original thoughts and writings, not providing attribution of citation(s).

Many plagiarize material and pass it off as their own.

Writings of ours, input here, can be found all over the internet, at UFO web-sites and blogs, without a link or sourcing notification.

Such scummy activity is eschewed by academics and scientists – anathema, for them, of a high order.

There is no way to correct the unethical, immoral behavior of the sleazy pirates; they are immune to decency and elegant, legal behavior.

Some even ignore copyright notices – although we have won a few copyright infringement “suits” over the past few years.

(Hosting platforms and other internet venues, wishing not to be sued, will readily stop or remove copyrighted material being exploited by their customers or users.)

But the stealing goes on apace.

We’ll start posting those sites that have taken material wholesale from this venue and presented as their own. (And we’ll sue some of the practitioners.)

But that won’t correct “ufology” in the mind of science or academia. They will remain wary and aloof.

And we don’t blame them.



  • The trickster element refuses to play by the rules which parallels the unreliability of any measurement in study of this thing.
    Whether it is the cognitive sleights of hand the unpredictability, the twilight realm where it operates, human protagonists follow suit be it CIA operatives, self aggrandizement, cult leaders..the list goes on and on. You have an enormous uphill battle to control something by it's nature refuses to conform.
    The very core of the thing is institutionally illegitimate and so it cannot be channeled.
    I can appreciate your frustration while thinking your motives are misplaced in terms of practicality.
    It is what it is prone to just about every form of fallibility you care to list.
    All of this is a page from Vallee's Messengers of Deception..and much more.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Bruce:

    You make the matter abstruse and complex.

    It's merely a matter of decency and Kantian ethics.

    Common decency is shorn in ufological circles, to the point of being epidemic.

    UFO people are sleazy -- a generality surely, but a legitimate one.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I wish the whole thing were simple and then we could all move on. In terms of ethical behavior, its a swamp, its a heat sink for every excuse for a lack of civility as Paul K noted...and worse.
    I agree but it goes much much deeper into obtuse and complex territory..a snare for the gullible and the overly self assured alike.And so it goes, or as Uncle Walt used to wrap up his newscast.."Thats the way it is.."

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • At the beginning of ufology, the best known figures express resentment and anger in their accusations against the government and the military regarding UFOs, expressed in various degrees from Arnold's exasperation to Scully's bizarre and hubris-laden triumphalism, with stops along the way with Ray Palmer and Donald Keyhoe.

    Such an attitude will unlikely win you friends in the government and the military, and in that timeframe would be considered evidence of "disaffection", a leading indicator of subversive activity to the FBI and the CIC/AFOSI.

    The sad part is not many in ufology actually recognized there was a dangerous political consequence possible. I don't think many of them even knew they expressed a political ideology.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I'm talking about current rip-offs not the over all, long-time feelings of discontent among UFO hobbyists.

    You guys kill me...always off to the fringe of a topic missing the core and confusing matters more than necessary.

    We'll never clean ufology of the creeps if you keep doing that.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Rich, I don't think it has anything to do with ufo fans in particular. It is a behavior common across subjects and categories of interest, as seen on the web. Photographers, for example, have a similar complaint.

    The "lunacy of most UFO mavens" and their disregard for intellectual property may not be connected.

    For some comfort: original content is platinum in Googleland. That's one reason why Iconoclasts usually ranks #1 or at least 'above the fold' in organic search results on any subject you choose.
    Congrats to your web team, btw.

    What I referred to is a foundation of the lunacy.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Glad to hear you guys are going to take some action against the rip-offs out there.

    I've seen it firsthand in the art world. There are people out there who routinely steal other folks' artwork and present it as their own. It's sickening. I don't know how anyone can live with themselves doing things like that.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Don't sue anyone re UFOs, please. You Americans are too fond of litigation over trivia (possessing I think about 70 per cent of the world's lawyers). The disease is spreading over here a bit. You can't say the sun is shining without someone, somewhere, being offended and taking legal action.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • CDA, the sun is shining here in SoCal...dry as hell, but sun shine galore.

    Rich, look forward to your examples concerning UFO rip off artist. Why someone would want to take false credit for lunacy is beyond me...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Tim:

    You know better than anyone: lunatics are attracted to other lunatics.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Rich,

    You know what makes it worse?

    Aggregators like "the Anomalist" will point to "lifted" articles as if they were legitimate when they were in fact first posted here or appeared as comments here in the context of a discussion.

    DMCA protects aggregators

    By Blogger Joel Crook, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I mentioned this to my friend Patrick Huyghe (Anomalist head) a little while ago when his editors took a posting of mine, unique to media here, and not seen anywhere else in a wider area, and noted it as an Anomalist find, without attribution.

    He told me to "Fuck off."

    We made up, but Anomalist often takes items we post and uses them as headers as if they discovered the item.

    That's okay with me. They often indulge me with notations about my goofy postings, which I appreciate.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I agree more with Bruce here. It's more complex and nuanced. Ufology touches too many taboos including the paranormal, and so it is naturally derided and dismissed by the academic and scientific establishment. Ufology was largely ridiculed and dismissed even when the likes of Allen Hynek was ufology's respectable face. Long before any current scandals and for that matter the Roswell circus. How to explain the whole Condon Report fiasco, except as symptomatic or symbolic of establishment science's dismissal of that which cannot be categorized so neatly and rationally.

    The scandals in ufology have nothing on the wholesale endemic fraud, corruption and the like in medicine for example, in which peoples' lives are at stake. People largely have no idea. It's far worse than you can even guess at. Yet medicine remains respectable no matter what.

    Oh yeah things like the Roswell slides don't help matters, except as humour.

    By Blogger Lawrence, at Thursday, July 17, 2014  

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