UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, July 15, 2014

NASA says we will find aliens in 20 years, but...

... they've already shown up, or so the Roswell slides tell us:



  • The slides themselves will not tell us if aliens exist of if we have been visited although they may increase the probability somewhat that the ETH is valid. We will still need a real body and an autopsy report for definitive proof.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Tuesday, July 15, 2014  

  • Pure wishful thinking. I have heard this sort of thing repeated many times ad nauseam since the dawn of the space age.

    Certain pundits make these pronouncements from time to time. One very distant day, maybe, we really shall meet ETs (or some form of ET life), but I would not trust these predictions for the future any more than I would trust the Roswell slides to depict anything whatever relevant to ET life.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, July 15, 2014  

  • Modern scientific knowledge tells the NASA guys and assorted astrobiologists that the galaxy should be crowded with life, and probably with a lot of civilizations.

    The UFO Extraterrestrial Hypothesis proponents reach almost the same conclusion from other , independent point of view.

    This coincidence should strike any rational person as significant.

    If these two groups of students were somehow able to join forces they would probably reach farther.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Tuesday, July 15, 2014  

  • Don M;

    The hypothetical existence of ET doesn't mean they're visiting Earth or are the reason people make "UFO" reports. Your "coincidence" is a non

    Your religious belief in the "UFO" myth muy mucho nubes su visión de la realidad!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Zoam,

    Your Spanish sucks. Don't try it at home or anywhere.

    The hypothetical conclusion about the likely existence extraterrestrial civilizations is obtained by astrobiolists by estimating and updating the parameters of drake equation, or by analyzing critically the postulates of the rare earth hypothesis, most of them invalid, etc.

    From a completely another angle, UFO researchers independently reach the conclusion of the likely existence of extraterrestrial civilziations, by collecting lots of cases of UFOs making extraordinary maneuvers in the atmosphere, and by taking into account reports of close encounters depicting humanoid people.

    The two approaches are absolutely independent, but convergent, and we can safely discount the “nonsequitur” accusation stemming from the zoamy.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I would add that in NO place I claimed that astrobiological propositions demonstrate the UFO ETH or vice versa. I only talked about a coincidence that should be significant, but never used the word demonstrative, conclusive, or something like that.

    Therefore, zoam accusations of nonsequitur are disproportionate and show his paranoid and imaginative personality.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • I remember watching a special during the 90s that alien life will be discovered by 2010. Just hearing the same old song.

    By Blogger Gatekeeper, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Things take time. Scholars conjetued about extrasolar planets for hundreds of years. Nevertheless, the first confirmed exoplanet was discovered circa 1995, with various false positives before 1995.

    Old song? Maybe, so what?

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Wednesday, July 16, 2014  

  • Don M;

    The incautious pronouncements of a few wishful-thinking astronomers in no way "coincide" with the flying-saucer pulp-fiction fantasy, so your "coincidence" is not rational, it does not follow.

    Your "coincidence" is a non
    sequitur, and is simply your typical Believer leap of illogic. There is no "coincidence" between hypothetical existence and fantastic real-world visitation.

    You must show otherwise, Don, merely claiming and insisting will not do. But you cannot show....

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, July 17, 2014  

  • There is a problematic aspect in not being moved by the "coincidence".

    The problematic aspect is known as the fermi paradox. The UFO ETH does not have to solve the fermi paradox. They are simply here... and there is no paradox.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Thursday, July 17, 2014  

  • Don M believes "They are simply here."

    The United States Space Command continuously monitors the entire Earth and near space. If it detected visitors from another world, it would be a monumental discovery and a fact in the world. But it has not.

    If it had, we'd all know it already, Don, it wouldn't be the subject demonstrably false beliefs about "flying saucers" and the ETH.

    Time for a reality check, Don.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, July 18, 2014  

  • Zoam. If I were a captain of an ET spaceship I would try to get un-noticed. You know, humans are pretty agresive primates.

    Anyway, just relax and be happy with your own religious beliefs, and I will be happy praying to my saucer jesus.

    Regarding the astrobiological aspect, the Drake Equation, NASA predictions, astronomical estimates of life and civilizations outside earth, etc,... I would suggest you to prepare yourself to keep listening in the next 10, 20 or 30 years, the same old song of more, more and more likelyhood of exoplanets being habitable, etc. Like a noisy hammer. Enjoy the show.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Friday, July 18, 2014  

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