UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, July 27, 2014

The ET Equation: Something’s Missing

Assuming that the ETH enthusiasts are correct and UFOs are manned by visitors from someplace off Earth – extraterrestrials from other worlds (or dimensions) – what is the X factor that is absent?

That is, if we subject UFOs and the alleged “pilots” in them to anthropomorphic extrapolation, what do find that is lacking?

If UFOs are here to explore this world or even to exploit it (for minerals, commodities, such as water, crops, et cetera, or even human beings), that exploration is not unlike the explorations of humans during Earth’s history, the key periods being the 15th and 16th centuries, with Columbus, Cook, Vespucci, or a bit earlier, Marco Polo, et al.

In the human explorations, even the dastardly ones of the Spaniards in Middle and South America, the explorers brought, inadvertently or purposely (religious thrusts of missionaries, for example)) elements of their cultures and civilizations: cultivation techniques, military wherewithal, books, art work, adornments of various kinds, and more.

Discounting the AA theories – pyramid construction is without practical value by any stretch of the imagination – one finds little or no evidence that any alien visitation gave humans something of value or use.

We’ve noted, in the past here and elsewhere, that UFOs and their supposed occupants seem to lack cultural artifacts: books, music, art.

Despite Betty Hill’s mention of an ET book in her kidnappers craft and Adamski’s contact Orthon’s shoe prints, and a few other bizarre episodes, one never reads or hears of cultural or helpful offerings by UFO aliens interacting with human beings in a meaningful or practical way.

Jose Antonio Caravaca’s plethora of odd sightings and contacts wherein beings are present, not one displays a sensible interaction; the behavior is bizarre, even insane-like.

So, if one proclaims that UFOs and ETs are here or have visited Earth for exploratory purposes of some kind, those UFOs and ETs undercut their reality by acting outside what we know explorers to do.

That is, if the premise is like the premise of human exploration, why isn’t the follow-up similar?

Do aliens have an agenda that is so oblique and weird that the exploration premise is set aside for something that doesn’t logically follow?

Moreover, where are the refinements of an advanced culture, the art, the literature, the music, that are blatantly absent in any contact with UFO occupants as reported, inside and outside of alleged alien abductions too?

Aliens, visiting Earth, must have a purpose, but what is it? And why have no fecund results occurred during the immense spate of UFO visitations (sightings) or contacts?

As Jacques Vallee proposes, in his data and perception driven exculpation of the ET/UFO reality in the paper presented in the posting before this one, one can add the lack of any cultural or even scientific purpose for alien visitations.

No! Alien probes of humans in abduction accounts are as purposeless as they would be if they had occurred during Livingston’s sojourns in Africa. To attribute UFO visits for human anatomical studies is futile, on the face of it: such superficial medical studies remain as the hallucinatory product of deranged minds during a defective neurological episode. Such procedures by alien explorers would be side-saddled if one accepts the premise of explorations per se, using the human model.

There is something missing in the ET equation for UFOs, something more than the rational refutation by Jacques Vallee: it’s the evidence for a culture or cultures that would spur exploration of the Universe in the first place – a need to satiate inquisitiveness and imagination, which would be accompanied by cultural or refined elements (books, art, music) of which there are none in the UFO reports accumulated.



  • I agree that cultural aspects are almost completely missing from the phenomenon and this makes it difficult for us to get our head around what is going on. We look for purpose and "refined elements" and, as you say, there are none (that are obvious.) Almost everything appears purely technological,even robot-like, but perhaps we are dealing with robots long-ago programed to do what they do. On the other hand, the robots we sent to Mars are hardly evidence of an extensive Earth culture of "books, art, and music." Yet such a culture exists quite aside from the pure technology of those "intelligent" machines.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, July 27, 2014  

  • Yes, Dominick...

    Our Mars Rovers don't evince any cultural artifacts, a good point.

    But I was referring to reports or sightings where non-robot-like beings were seen and interacted with.

    Just as the conquistadors interacted with Peru's peoples, one would expect ETs, that did not exude robot-like mannerisms, to do something likewise when they met up with humans.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 27, 2014  

  • Rich, I'm really not sure whether there are many (any?) UFO reports "where non-robot-like beings were seen and interacted with." Perhaps it's a category that does not exist. After all, almost all accounts of so-called interaction contain "creatures" that "float" and "jump" from place to place, that are odd in a hold host of ways that are hardly human-like. They (almost) all exhibit robot-like appearances and behavior (though their body shape may in some ways resemble the human form. Well so don't some very impressive Japaneese robots). Think Hickson and Parker, Pascagoula, 1973. Think the Moody abduction, 1975 or the Kelly Cahill abduction (1993) or, obviously Kelly-Hopkinsville, 1955. Even the Mauric Masse (Valensole) encounter could have been robots since the description of the "creatures" and their behavior was robot-like to say the least. I know that this does not get us any closer to solving the ultimate mystery...but it may explain the absence of any sort of "human-like" interaction that you are searching for. There isn't any because the entities are soul-less robots who really don't care dick about us in any real important way.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, July 27, 2014  

  • Dominick:

    Apparently you are unaware of Jose Caravaca's litany of sightings where beings -- not robot-like entities --
    were reported and interacted with witnesses.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 27, 2014  

  • RR,

    To use your example of the Spanish in South America, they presented their culture to the locals via their (the conquistadors) behavior. It was only after allying with or conquering the local societies that the native South/Central Americans became fully aware of the Spanish culture and society.

    A hypothetical lunar citizen, hiding behind a rock and observing Armstrong and Aldrin, would have zero sense of the astronauts' culture.

    In the event of a potential ET contact I might expect the same thing to happen, *depending on the purpose of the contact*.

    By Blogger Capt Steve, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • So Captain Steve...

    You're saying UFO witnesses and/or humans haven't become "fully aware" of the ET culture, but it has been or is being presented?

    The behavior reported, in the odd events Jose Caravaca and others have cited, doesn't indicate culture or sense to me.

    The activity is reminiscent of insanity rather than a disciplined culture or civilization, forcing me to see the "events" as neurologically created or a ruse instigated by Senor Caravaca's "external agent."

    See his blog and previous postings here.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • RR,


    What I'm saying is that perhaps, if any of these cases actually ARE ET*, the actions being observed may not represent any elements of culture at all (similar to how the act of picking up a rock on the moon represented an action of exploration and revealed little or nothing about the culture of the astronauts).

    In short, I'm not sure what's being reported would necessarily give the observer ANY sense of a culture behind the events being reported.

    It's also possible (probable?) that we are unable to fully interpret what's being seen; there may not be any 1:1 analog between a non-human culture and our own.

    I've read Caravaca's work and it's pretty clear to me that what's being reported, if true, is a non-human presence. What we regard as nonsense behavior or insanity may very well have a different meaning to Caravaca's "external agent"...a meaning we may be ill equipped to interpret *or even notice*.

    To quote Greg Bendord: the thing about aliens is, they're alien.

    *I give this sort of long odds but don't regard it as entirely impossible.

    By Blogger Capt Steve, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • What seems odd to me about Jose Caravaca's collection and similar accounts is they have storylines but are without plots. All we have is a meager chronology: this happened, then this happened, then this happened. But as to why they happened, or any logic among the happenings, such as cause and effect, are absent.

    Humans are a storytelling animal, and many of these accounts are not complete narratives, which is what we expect from another human.

    At the opposite end are the Contactees' accounts which do have plot and logic.



    By Blogger Don, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • Agreed,Don, the contactee accounts "do have plot and logic" but, (as almost all here would agree), these accounts are most likely invented or imagined. I can't think of any contactee account that I trust as a real event. So, consistent with what I speculated above, we are left with a strong residue of UFO accounts, observations actually, that are terribly "incomplete" from our human perspective. No plot, no real meaning, no evidence of culture as we understand it. "Alien" to be sure but more likely intelligent machines of some sort doing someone else's work for purposes that are not at all clear.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • Dominick, I agree with you about the Contactees, generally. In fact their "plot and logic", being so mundane, is an argument against them being alien encounters. We know they've seen The Day The Earth Stood Still, which is where some of the plot and the logic comes from. KJV diction and rhetoric in some of them are telling as well. We can recognize sources.

    The 'Caravacans' (if I may coin a word) seem like a series of excerpts from a fuller experience now forgotten.

    If we grant some of these accounts are legitimate and sincere, rather than lies or hoaxes, then we have to ask what are the missing pieces, if any? But, also, whether our hypothetical and plausible plots and logic for them are true or merely our whistling past the graveyard.



    By Blogger Don, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • Dominick and Don:

    You fellows are really off the farm.

    The reports that Jose Caravaca has provided are tales, intact, and in toto.

    They have a beginning, a middle, and an end.

    They can be analyzed just as they are -- there are no missing parts.

    You guys have a penchant for making things more mysterious than they need to be or are.

    The Caravaca files have been and are being discussed elsewhere in our internet realm.

    That discussion is full of erudite and intriguing speculation(s).

    No one has tried to convince anyone that those small reports are incomplete fables, hoaxes, or morality tales.

    They are what they are, complete unto themselves, and useful, as a psychology student or professional sees them.

    There are no missing pieces.

    No plot and no logic, scenarios for the neurologist, psychologist, or detective.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

  • Jose's reports tend to show segments of reality that has been psychologically altered in regards to the participants' sense of perception.

    I tend to agree with Rich that to induce logic into Caravaca's reports is mostly futile unless you invoke a neurological internal source that appears to cause the event in the first place.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, July 28, 2014  

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