UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, September 20, 2014

The Socorro Copter: Lonnie Zamora's craft?

In 1959, Hughes' scientists at Hughes Aircraft were devising underwater and aerial crafts, Here's a sketch of one of those endeavors: The so-called Hughes "mobots" for underwater projects and use
But in a more realistic vein, Hughes Aircraft/Toolco worked to develop a helicopter for the U.S. Army and was testing such copters in the southwestern United States in the early 1960s.

This is one of those copters -- the Hughes OH-6 Cayuse (a two man!) copter that crashed in a test:
Two photos of the Cayuse under development:
And here are two Cayuse copters engaged in aerial practice:
Did Lonnie Zamora stumble upon a prototypical Hughes Cayuse copter that looked, from the front, more egg-like than it did from the side, which also looks egg-like?

And did he see the smoke trails as the copter left the area?

(Hughes ended up getting the Army contract in 1965.)

RR

14 Comments:

  • Interesting idea, well illustrated, well done.

    Woody

    By Blogger Woody, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Thanks Woody...

    It's just a conjecture.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • The helicopter concept leaves out the reported flames and if I recall correctly the tripod marks and of course, especially back in the day given the environment, the sound of the blades would have seemed to be a dead giveaway. The "egg shape " of the helicopter is on the horizontal rather than the vertical plane.
    Then there are the ground effects.
    I don't see this as remotely plausible although an X craft still could be viable as a alternative cause.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • What you are seeing here. Bruce, are the final configurations of Cayuse. Why I put the sketch in of the mobots was to show that Hughes' scientists were fooling around with odd prototypes.

    Use your imagination, buddy.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Mobots are autonomous mobile surveying craft that are not manned vehicles and while the imagination can conceive of the impossible, the disparity between what was technically feasible such as a helicopter, versus a mobot in that time period is demonstrated by their final product. Why would they move backward from a prototype ( a helicopter ) even if one was feasible as demonstrated by being witnessed?
    If what was witnessed was a successful application, it makes no sense that it was abandoned or never fully developed unless it was not technically feasible to begin with. While a helicopter is more feasible, it does not match the so called evidence.
    Of course all possible explanations are the product of our use of imagination. Its perhaps more a matter of what we can imagine versus what we cannot.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Bruce...

    Do you have any idea how bifurcated your thinking sometimes is?

    UFOs as ghosts but mobots not being transfigured as flying craft?

    You'd make a lousy Sci-Fi writer.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Look at the history of radio controlled craft and then examine the feedback mechanisms required to navigate a remote vehicle to a specific location. Off topic snarky personal comments aside directed at yours truly, as far as I know, the means to do this did not exist unless you can fill me in. Science fictions in Sorroco? Probably.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Snarky, me?

    I just see unimaginative commentary that's all.

    RR


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • RR,

    Don't helicopters have a distinct sound? Wouldn't have Zamora reported that?

    By Blogger Capt Steve, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Capt..

    We don't know what the prototypes sounded like.

    I just thought it might be something to check out or research.

    Some here see things in a mundane or usual, comfortable manner.

    That's why I included the sketch, to show that some people think outside the box, as Hughes' scientists were doing.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • RR,

    With all due respect:

    - the production OH-6 was powered by an Allison Model 250 turboshaft engine turning 27 ft blades. A production OH-6 sounds like a helicopter. It's standard aeronautical engineering practice to build prototypes with the same powerplant that's intended for production vehicles. I think it's safe to assert that the prototypes also sounded like helicopters.

    - A lot of the weight given the Socorro case concerns Zamora being a good, accurate witness. If that's the case, then if Zamora saw a helicopter he would have reported seeing a helicopter *or if his glasses were off at least hearing a helicopter*. What Zamora described doesn't fit the description of a helicopter at all (with the exception of taking off vertically).

    The idea that Zamora saw a prototype whatever-the-heck is an interesting idea. I'd almost buy into Zamora seeing something similar to the Garrett STAMP if the timing weren't off by a number of years.

    By Blogger Capt Steve, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • Capt...

    Nice try, but we have no idea what prototype was being tested, though I am suggesting it's in conjunction with the Cayuse development.

    But here's my point; Zamora, an excellent witness, saw something on the ground, rotors not operating.

    Then it took off, when he lost his glasses. he thought he heard a roar.

    The aerial practice photo I've included shows what may have been something like what happened in the departure of the protoype.

    The rotor sound was the roar?

    A possibility.

    Again, let's be imaginative here.

    Let's not assume the mundane happened.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 21, 2014  

  • RR,

    I would say that my comments spring from the unfortunate intersection where imagination intersects the reality of aeronautical engineering.

    If Zamora saw a prototype vehicle (and I'll actually give you 50/50 odds on that one) it wasn't a prototype helicopter.

    By Blogger Capt Steve, at Monday, September 22, 2014  

  • Capt...

    Those who've been here a while know that I've always maintained that Zamora saw a prototype lunar lander.

    You can find the photos and text by googling Hughes UFO Iconoclasts or Hughes RRRGroup.

    But some text I found recently about Hughes Aircraft fooling around in the southwest with helicopter prototypes "forced" me to conjecture with this post.

    You are locked into conventional helicopter design, forgetting that prototypical designs may have been very different.

    (See my latest post above about New Think.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, September 22, 2014  

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