UFO Conjectures

Thursday, November 20, 2014

Socorro's Prototype Premise?

Spanish UFO researcher Jose Antonio Caravaca sees the debate about moon-landings as precurser to the craft design that Lonnie Zamora spotted in Socorro in 1964.
This is the NASA paper about that debate:




  • Bruce Duensing posted this comment in the item above, but I thought it more appropriate here:

    What is not considered is the role of conceptual modeling defined by “a concept is an abstraction or generalization from experience or the result of a transformation of existing concepts. The concept reifies all of its actual or potential instances whether these are things in the real world or other ideas.”

    Being familiar with the varying prototypes of direct landing craft for a moon mission, even up to the present day, they all have the same tripod arrangement as the vehicle sighted. The Soviet moon lander looked somewhat similar to what Zamorra saw. Here is a recent prototype.


    What I see is a parallel pattern to these similarities. In nearly every case we have a formula that whatever appears seems to mimic either early prototypes or just in advance of a working model. Whether it is a lighter than air ship with propulsion,( the airship flap ) an aircraft intercepting rocket ( Foo-Fighter ), a flying wing like the B1, perhaps we can add a moon lander.
    These five examples, however are juxtaposed with what the imagination can construct as to what an otherworldly vehicle could resemble (as we have no conceptual models)...It makes me wonder when the concept of a saucer craft first appeared as an imaginary vehicle. What Arnold saw more closely resembled a Horton | Nazi jet fighter.


    So we have extraterrestrial vehicles mixed with our own prototypes. All of them are conceptual in nature. In the steam powered airship, the weight of a steam boiler coal supplies, the heat of it, water etc and the availability of covert fueling stations makes it implausible but..the concept of the propelled lighter than air vehicle appeared later with the Zeppelin. The same applies to radar and \ or heat seeking missiles in WW2 Foo Fighters that track aircraft..while the technology was not present, the concept was later developed.The moon lander is another that technically was not worked out until much later..but the concept is valid.

    So one one hand we have general concepts without a technical practicality that are based on experience and on the other, models that we have no experience with...more in the realm of imaginative ideas..but both classes are ,in essence, conceptual.

    Bruce Duensing

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, November 20, 2014  

  • Bruce is right: Soviet moon landers looked much more egg-shaped than their American counterparts. Maybe Rich should be checking out Hugheski Aircraftski designs instead. :)

    By Blogger Ron, at Thursday, November 20, 2014  

  • Ron:

    I've posted often, here, about Hughes working with the Soviets, during the Cold War, under the auspices of the American government.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, November 20, 2014  

  • Interesting, Rich. I wonder if Bigelow has carried on that tradition, and to what end.

    By Blogger Ron, at Friday, November 21, 2014  

  • Someone, Ron, brought Bigelow into the equation, but then dismissed him and his enterprise(s).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 21, 2014  

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