UFO Conjectures

Friday, November 14, 2014

Ufology Unplugged

Here's a link to one of Paul Kimball's videos in his Ufology Unplugged series, an interview, from 2001, with Reverend Barry Downing, author of The Bible and Flying Saucers:




  • I was impressed by the overall quality of the production, especially the introductory title sequence which was a hoot.

    The first several minutes of this presentation ( interview) underscored what stuck with me from an earlier observation Paul had made some time ago, that Ufology as it is currently practiced is the study of sociology.

    The anthropomorphic model of a human God that lurks behind this theory who attempts to controls everything by minions armed with technology is a perfect portrait of human behavior in the 21st century and all the centuries that came before this one. Manipulative, armed with spears to drones. Yes, the teachers of mankind who arm monkeys with enough knowledge to blow each other up..how beneficent.

    The sacredness of technology is a sublimated theme in this presentation.

    It struck me as an example of linear causation in the fallacies of thought creating belief systems that even when they have perished, go on and on of their own accord as automatisms.

    Instead of destroying all this Barry reaffirms and reinforces the concept that God as a conceptual model is a lunatic. No other models are analysed outside of his own theology which is telling.

    It is if taken seriously, it is the portrait of an insanity that one could even call it by another anthropomorphism of human society the mythical Demon which is the dark side of the products of thought created by fear and denial, life as a zero sum game.

    Judgements, bargaining chips, tampering, the whole bag of denial.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • Reverend Downing's "lunatic" view of God is an element of Gnostic theology, as you know Bruce.

    Yahweh was nuts.

    But Yahweh isn't God, He (or It) is the god beneath God.

    Nevertheless, Downing's views are heterodox in the Christian community, which makes me like them..


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • Coincidentia oppositorum is the theme of mythology transferred to theology as a product of thought requiring a linear narrative explanation for its inability to achieve completeness. Our ufonauts of Barry’s teology might be serving the earlier version of God having a Demiurgic servant who is Satanic, whose name used to be Malak Tawus. Religions seemingly borrow from earlier traditions and tamper ( innovate ) their own commentary on them. The Buddhists etc are no exception. Personally, I see them as metaphors rather than in Barry’s case taking them literally.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • Metaphoric?

    Not for me, Bruce.

    They represent the real reality.

    God is psychotic (or was); he's dead now and not metaphorically.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • Metaphors of human thought as Coincidentia oppositorum is a mirror phenomenon of inversion we see in UFO accounts of logical systems.
    This constitutes what is called metalogic, the formal study of how we organised logic as a system of epistemology.

    It is ( as an reflected and inverted image) an existent that is and is not.
    A thought is not material nor does it exist in of itself and yet I am using it.

    You could say thought itself is a metaphor, an illustration by example based of how we structure relationships.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • As a concept of thought God has always been psychotic and dead. That is the issue as a conceptual model isnt it?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • Metalogic, a Jacques Vallee staple, is one accretion to thought that expands (and confuses) what thought is or, rather, consciousness -- something for another time and blog.

    The ineffable God exists, I think, but the god beneath God, disappeared or died as Richard Friedman outlines in The Hidden Face of God.

    What any of this has to do with UFOs baffles me.

    The phenomenon UFOs are only made more complex by thrusting them into a maelstrom of human convolutions.

    Dealing with UFOs as a phenomenon, pure and simple, will allow UFO buffs to get of the core of the phenomenon.

    Adding another layer to the UFO enigma takes us beyond etiology to wilder conjectures than I hope to contain or limit here.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • What the phenomenon is to my mind,constitutes an anti-structural
    non linear reality in opposition to how thought is utilized. We cannot approach it with logic. This has been the repeated cause of lunatic theories or crazy wisdom or "knowledge" Barry's theology is a good example of many.
    The cause of this is giving simple answers to complex issues. The avoidance of complexity creates nutty logic.

    The issue here to my mind is denial of this.. therefore science is put in a position that threatens their livelihood by association with lunatics.

    The only way to get closer to this is by agnostic science. Of course they are now stuck in their own incomplete theories becoming more abstracted by the moment with each discovery.

    I dont see any resolution in the foreseeable future to these provocations this phenomenon presents.

    An interesting topic nonetheless.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • The problem, for me, Bruce, is Plato's revelation that there is a real reality beyond the one we experience.

    Are UFOs part of that outer reality, as Vallee would have it, or are UFOs part of our simulated reality.

    Until we can get an answer to that, we're going to be bumping our heads up against an inpenetrable barrier to understanding of what UFOs are or their purpose for being.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

  • `I agree.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 15, 2014  

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