UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, November 13, 2014

UFOs and Ufology: The End is Near

Those paying attention can see that the UFO phenomenon has reached a nadir.

When Kevin Randle, and me, and many others are struggling to find relevant, new UFO ideas and material but can’t, UFO buffs have to accept, if they are reasoning individuals, that the thing which interested them, and still does, to some extent, has diminished in relevancy and importance.

We UFO aficionados are, as Bruce Duensing might put it, beating a dead horse.

Scouring the UFO “universe” one is struck by the desperation to find something germane or significant.

YouTubers are loading their spots on the video site with images of flecks or ripples on the moon, and strange configuration in NASA’s Mars rRover pictures, not UFOs necessarily, but somehow seemingly related…..at least as they try to portray it.

Bloggers (like us and Mr. Randle) are dredging up old sightings and controversies, begging readers to comment and re-ignite the topic….to no real avail.

The Anomalist is noting many more items of paranormality than items about UFOs.

We, all of us, are providing the dregs of UFO lore, while new “observations” are either created out of whole cloth and anything with a odd shape or cast in the sky has become fodder for a UFO designation.

There are past UFO mysteries to clear up, but that’s grist for the hobbyist, not the public at large, or new, curious UFO mavens, who are a rare breed nowadays.

The once prominent phenomenon (or enigma) is the farthest thing of interest for a culture or society in the midst of turmoil(s) that really count.

I’ll plug along here, acknowledging the futility of my effort, because UFOs provide surcease of my other vibrant concerns and interests that consume the bulk of my day and thinking.

Hang in here, with me, if you like. I’ll still try to invigorate a matter that we all know is on its deathbed, but on life support.



  • I think there is a huge difference between disparagement of the approach to the topic and discouraging a dialog.
    Popularity of a subject is not for me, a valuation of it's pertinence.
    The issue is approach and an acknowledgement rather than denial this phenomenon can be assessed by the measurements used in the past. You have very old cases that are, in effect aimed at socio-political society, not the phenomenon itself…..the critical assumption that a secret is being withheld. Then you have it’s equally political wing of exo-politics, again, this is dialog thats sociological and not germane to the study of the phenomenon. Then you have the entertainment industry thriving off simple inferences...which leads to fantasies being reinforced, which is the point of entertainment as it’s practiced, a distraction, one piled atop the other.
    A liminal subject also draws in those that have psychological maladies. To be sober about the subject is daunting in the face of just how many misdirections of attention there are.
    The subject is stuck in anthropomorphism and highly personalized argumentative postulates or just plain old gossip projected at a demonstration of contradictions among so called experts who know no more than you or I. There are many many questions not being asked because of these predictable ruts of entropy. Seemingly, with few exceptions, no one seems capable of thinking for themselves, they constantly cite each other’s well worn theories as if this is a zero sum game. The temerity that anyone can solve this with a conclusive argument is sheer lunacy.
    The old approaches have not worked, unless you observe the slowing momentum of an old push back in the day by less than a handful of scientists.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • On the one hand, the history of the phenomenon, if that's anything to go by, shows that just when interest in UFOs or UAPs as a Fortean mystery seems about to blip out, often a new wave of sightings and encounters bouys interest up again. More interesting for me, on the other hand, is the continued cultural imaginative relevance of the myth, the most recent examples of which are the role ET and technology play in saving humankind in Nolan's "Interstellar" and the metamorphosis of the significance of the stories around ET technology and breakaway civilizations as it plays itself out in the growing anxieties over climate change and within the context of the Disclosure movement. The Kenneth Arnold chapter of the myth is underwritten as Jung argues by the Cold War, Abductions in the 1980s by nascent environmental concerns, Disclosure by Global Warming. Neither artists nor social scientists share the anxieties that you express here over the imminent demise of ufology, at least as far as a cultural phenomenon goes!

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • Where have all the photographs & films of UFOs gone to?

    In the early days we had quite a few (most of dubious nature) when cameras were comparatively rare.

    Nowadays everyone has digital phones, IPads, tablets, camcorders and so on. The total number of photo/film devices is vast. Yet we never seem to get a worthwhile UFO photo or movie. Why?

    Either the UFOs have deserted us and gone home, or.....?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • I think people are so enamored of "selfies" CDA that they aren't looking outward (or upward) but inward, part of the problem with the loss of UFOs as a viable social topic.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • CDA: are you wondering about "good" pictures and movies are _amount_? Youtube and other sites are rife with photographic data...but what's interesting is how such data is taken, given the ease with which digital film and video can be altered and/or enhanced. I wonder what a hard core statistical survey of photographic data would in fact reveal...

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • Yes I suppose there is a lot on the 'tube'. Trouble is that I never look at it, but if it had any real value people would notice it and spread the word. Of course a few ufologists do 'spread the word', but alas the word fizzles out into nothing.

    And all those discoveries on Mars end up as trash. Will there be anything found on that comet, I wonder?

    Yes, all too easily faked nowadays. If perchance the real thing turned up, would anyone believe it?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • The ubiquity of video recording technology has shown amply that people can't identify tiny dots and distant lights in the sky. That's enough for them to upload the vid and label it a UFO sighting. Anything close and distinct has turned out to be CGI or reflected light. It has to make one wonder if there is any value at all in those allegedly solid witness reports from the old days of ufology.

    But I think there is still some sociological interest in doing a kind of excavation of famous cases. As old reports, articles, and interviews are digitised, as well as the personal papers of subjects and investigators, newcomers with a fresh perspective can unpack the old UFO myths and give us the real deal.

    I'd love to see a historian of the psychological sciences, someone at the level of Mikkel Borch-Jacobsen or Ian Hacking or Alison Winter, take a look at the Hill case. Or a non-serving military historian sift through the Roswell mess or the MJ-12 nonsense. We'd really learn something.

    No more hobbyists!

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Thursday, November 13, 2014  

  • RR

    I disagree with "the loss of UFOs as a viable social topic." It's a great topic but it has lost its direction in the vast noise.

    As you and others noted there are a zillion digital cameras and a similar number of loony websites with yet another similar number of photos and videos. -And, unfortunately there is also easy photoshopping. It all leave us with too much noise in which to find a signal.

    Tell me, how would we know one if we saw it? The problem has always been the lack of consistency in frequency, location, shape and etc. to allow pursuit. Oh, and there is the that conspiracy aspect too.

    We regurgitate Roswell and ignore the giant black triangles that for a while were consistent, reportedly seen by many and yet somehow illogical in many aspects. NIDS got started on them, suggested a military connection and then they just went away, both the black triangles -and NIDS as well.

    I had great hope for NIDS until they flamed out on the Skinwalker Ranch and just folded. What was that all about?
    Was there really science there?

    Speaking of the science, what of SETI? There's real science in radio telescopes looking for ET but looking for dimensional or quantum or the like ET visitors isn't science? Is is it right for SETI to dismiss anything visual? Or, does SETI's very existence tell us that we're not nuts in our interest? Are we nuts in discussing other perspectives of the search?

    So it's back to how do we sort is out?

    Here's a thought, how about polygraphs for reporters of UFO's. Physical object seen, no odd moving lights in the night sky.

    I know I'd pass one on the odd thing that brought me here. Just a thought, why investigate untruthful reporting? Sure some psychos might pass but clear liars wouldn't. One confirmed lie and we wouldn't have to listen to them anymore.

    Makes me wonder what is the state of polygraphing in this digital age. I'd sure like to take one, pass it and wave it like a flag.

    Give up this blog and where would I go seeking the great event and/or disclosure RR?

    -Oh, and on a final though, I liked your suggestion that Earth might indeed be so unique that we are a galactic tourist spot. It would be fun to see SETI chewing on that one.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, November 14, 2014  

  • @Bryan

    Polygraphy is a pseudoscience. In theory it sounds good but in practice it is not effective.


    In the early days, all the major abductees passed polygraphs except Travis Walton (who passed a second test). We learned nothing.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Friday, November 14, 2014  

  • I haven't visited the site in about a year, and stopped in today out of curiosity and for old time's sake. I don't follow UFOs much anymore, less and less each passing month, even though I'm an experiencer. After 70-some years of blathering about UFOs it's becoming evident even to me it's an almost 100% probability there's no "there" there.

    Ufology's a load of the same old, same old -- empty claims with not a shred of evidence to support them; outright lies and hoaxes meant to make money or at least propel the claimant into pseudo-celebrity among a small, hard core of obsessed believers; shrill and unproven claims of government cover up along with pointless, empty efforts to force "disclosure" (Of what? That the government doesn't know anything either?); obvious misidentifications of mundane phenomena interpreted as unusual and bizarre (for example, the plethora of images of flying insects, birds, and aircraft lights posted by people who must rarely, if ever, look up to know what's normally in the air around them); blatant CGI and Photoshopping; the rapid proliferation of drones (and Chinese lanterns), which have effectively drowned out any possible real signal with their noise; etc.

    Ufology seems to need to cling to cases from the 1940s and 1950s in order to retain relevance for its shrinking cadre of seniors. Meanwhile, younger generations are more interested in Big Foot and legendary monsters; cryptozoology; big cats roaming where they shouldn't be; ghosts and ghost hunting; vampires and fairies; lost ancient civilizations; out of place artifacts in the archeological record; time travelers in old photos; DMT, ayahuasca and hallucinogenics; wilderness missing persons cases (apply simple logic to see how empty are these claims of repeating patterns and connections); just to name a few.

    Face it, whatever interest in possible extraterrestrial visitations exists among the largest percentage of this younger demographic runs to the next HALO release, costumes at Comicon, and super hero comic book-based blockbusters.

    New photos? Even though a large portion of the world's population now carries some form of camera 24/7, there are no new images because we've become dysfunctionally self-absorbed and preoccupied with taking only photos of ourselves. Like Narcissus, we'd rather stare fixedly at (and post) our reflections than notice the world around us (the number of people injured or killed while taking selfies is rising). The next great UFO photo (if there ever is one) will be an image captured accidentally in the background of a selfie. I predict that like all its predecessors, it will be inconclusive.

    Okay, Debbie Downer is signing off now. Maybe I'll return in another year, or by that time my waning interest in UFOs finally will have reached some number less than zero.

    But anyway, best wishes and cheers to you for keeping the faith while some of us are losing it.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Sunday, November 16, 2014  

  • PurrlGurrl..

    So nice to hear from you, once more; the Debbie Downer reference brightened my morning.

    You have, as usual, nailed the present UFO milieu.

    But even dead things have their interest, as morbid as that interest may be.

    I'm hanging in with UFOs, but by a fingernail.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, November 16, 2014  

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