UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, December 21, 2014

An abduction account (from our previous UFO incarnation -- 2005)

In the November 1977 issue of UFO Report, Jerome (Jerry) Clark recounts an abduction case that is intriguing in a number of ways.

The event occurred in min-June 1969 to a couple (whose real names were not disclosed in Mr. Clark’s rendering) as they traveled from Minnesota  to Los Angeles, with their encounter taking place southwest of Salt Lake City.

The couple, during hypnotic sessions, told of being taken aboard an alien craft by insect-like beings, with features similar to some of those described by Betty and Barney Hill after their 1961 “abduction.”

The sessions, on tape, were presented pretty much by Mr. Clark in his article. Clark was baffled by the encounter as it was related by the couple, but accepted it as a true account; something truly bizarre happened to the duo, as it had to the Hills but the details were so strange that Clark could only raise the ongoing (to this day) questions about such encounters, “What is it? What can we do about it? What happens next?”

What strikes this writer is that the couple said they saw a “fish-shaped craft, with a fin, a flat bottom, and a red light on top of the front hump.”

Driving to escape this craft, they came upon a camper at a rest stop with a figure dressed in a white rubbery suit that made it look like a snowman with “roundish head” and jointless arms and legs.

Driving hurriedly away they apparently came upon the camper later on down the road, but what the female member of the two saw in the camper window was absolutely weird and frightening: two entities in black leather suits, wearing black leather gloves – they didn’t have heads, just “dim outlines of heads” and no mouths, just “Cheshire cat-like expressions of leering ‘evil grins.’”

When the couple agreed to hypnotic sessions, between 1974 and 1975 – with one of the tapes lost by Mr.Clark (or taken he hints) – they told of events that parallel the Hills’ case.

The man in the encounter saw, as had Barney Hill, a being in the UFO when he first spotted it.

The couple experience a tingling feeling as they were being transported aboard the craft where they found themselves in a round, domed, clear room – white with gauges.

The beings in the room with them had large heads, no hair, and looked like insects, with big, green colored eyes, and green colored mouths. They were “working dials.”

Their eyes partly circled their heads (like those in Barney Hill’s drawing of the beings he and Betty were taken by), and gave a grasshopper appearance.

No communication except for a low humming sound and a kind of telepathy.

The beings wore a kind of uniform, white in color.

And the thing they saw at the camper – the white snowman – appeared, and it was then realized that the couple’s abduction took place when they saw that figure at the camper and the period from that sighting to their escape by driving away produced a period of lost time, during which they had their abduction encounter.

The story is rather interesting in a number of ways, but one little thing stands out; the couple was not married but the woman’s ex-husband had introduced her to the man she was now aligned with.

Betty and Barney Hill were a mixed race couple, as you know.

Do “abductions” come to those persons who have a singularly out-of-the-norm relationship or some other psycho-social quirk?

Maybe alleged abductees can tell us what their quirk is, if any. This may be the clue to the abduction phenomenon which, for all intents and purposes, seems to be a strange event, but one that cannot be explained in ordinary, prosaic terms, or understood by those terms, or any others for that matter.



  • Hello Rich, I wanted to drop in and wish you the best for Christmas and the New Year :)

    Did the article mention who the hypnotist was? During the 70s, it always seemed to be Leonard Sprinkle. Schwarz? Also, did Clark describe whether the couple had any memories of the incident prior to being regressed? Was it a 'missing time' situation that prompted them to reach out to MUFON or APRO? I'd be guessing at MUFON as they used hypnotists.

    The 'red light' reminded me of the the Villa Boas case. Didn't he describe a red light at the top of the craft he encountered? Same for the Hills too.

    A devoted skeptic could charge that the couple were 'polluted' by the Hills' case and simply reiterated it under hypnosis - case closed.

    However, for me, I just can't make my mind up about these contact encounters. Higdon, Hills, Wilcox etc. Something more interesting than 'liminal personalities' can explain occurred.

    It's a great pity that hypnotic regression was used as it creates even more uncertainty. Then again, as far we know, Gary Wilcox made similar claims and never underwent hypnosis.

    Who? What? Why?

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • Kandinsky...

    No, the hypnotist wasn't mentioned and the story was more narrative than journalistic.

    You do know what my take on the Villas Boas case is, I hope.

    It's in Redfern's Contactees book and here in an early archive.

    (You might find it via Google also.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • Yes,I've got the book and that's why I mentioned the Villa Boas case.

    I began to notice a couple of years ago that the same hypnotists were involved in the 'popular' cases. Schwarz was in contact with Gary Wilcox and it's crossed my mind if any hypnotic jiggery-pokery was used there.

    Like you, I find Nedelcovic's claims intriguing. They take one down certain paths of thought and, if we're honest, human mischief is currently more probable than Martians. There's still an underlying mystery, in my opinion, and that's where we all keep meeting.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • Yes, Nedelcovic was involved in some awful activity, as recounted on UFO Updates, so one has to take that into account when reprising his tale about Boas.

    I'll dig out the Clark piece to see if there is any reference to who did the hypnosis or how the hypnosis was handled in the case cited.

    Hypnosis is such an iffy procedure that using it in UFO abductions is surely a wrong way to go.

    (Psychoanalysis dumped hypnosis, as you know, because it introduced extraneous materials into the scenarios presented by patients when under hypnotic control.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • It often seems like the hypnotist brings too much to the table. They somehow seem to generate recollections that reflect their own expectations. I don't suppose we know if it's all leading questions without listening to tapes.

    I'd lay odds on it being Sprinkle.

    The number of contact claims that didn't include hypnosis creates that leeway, that lack of conclusion. I look at the 1954 French Wave and scratch my head. For the past couple of months, I keep looking for clusters in those cases that would lend themselves to human mischief.

    Nothing much so far although one grouping might be interesting.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • The 1954 French wave sightings fascinate.

    I'd like to read what Gilles Fernandez has to say about them.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • Abduction accounts seem to fall into two categories.One occurs to an individual at night and the other to several individuals who corroborate one another’s account. The first thing that came to mind was the most bizarre example, the Allagash incident, due to the alleged fact there was also a possible “spotter” prior to an abduction who was thought to be a park ranger, whereas, this turned out not to be the case.
    Missing time as time is based on referencing suggests to me they were in an altered state of consciousness that in terms of probability suggests a dream state versus a actual journey. The tingling feeling is interesting as the cases in Brazil of attempted but failed abductions suggest hypothermia, which occurs in a high energy field of radiation.
    Of course tingling might not be the same effect as feeling feverish and chilled at the same instant while in this radiance as in the case of the Brazil accounts. One question is the long term physical effects if any were encountered.
    What throws me off is the alleged witnessing of levitation by family members in those cases if any or some of this is to be believed. While some appear to have ground based “spotters” , most are followed, pursued rather than being simply the result of opportunism on the part of the alleged abductors.
    While I tend toward an out of the body experience to this, I have to recognize, that at face value, many accounts discount this theory. It remains an open question in my mind.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, December 22, 2014  

  • Hello Bruce, I have to admit that the spectrum of abduction accounts leaves me scratching my head. The same can be said for the physical contact encounters. On one hand, we seem to have some cases where people have physical injuries and damage to eyesight ; witnesses with no previous interest in ‘aliens’ or UFOs. On the other, some claimants have been unscrupulous hoaxers and others seem to have a tick-list of mental issues.

    We can blame sub-groups of Intel for some encounters, Artichoke and Pont st Esprit etc. We can point fingers at the mental health of abductees or blame suggestibility and cultural saturation. Still, are all reports explained with no residue?

    You mention ‘radiation’ and ‘tingling’ and these are aspects I’ve noticed too. Bob Taylor lost his voice and couldn’t see and the Pascagoula boys had marks on their necks. There are some reports that refute the sleep disorder/psychology explanations simply by the alleged physical injuries. Some of John E Mack’s early clients sought his advice about anxieties and it was only later that the familiar accounts appeared.

    Although the ‘abductee’ folk seemed to come bearing rather consistent narratives, our contactee brethren related a rich menagerie of characters. It’s all self-conflicting as ever.
    Trying to find an explanation that covers all the angles is like using a towel as a blanket – ‘My arms are warm, but my legs are all cold!’

    Incidentally, I still think your ‘manchurians’ idea could be along the right lines.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Tuesday, December 23, 2014  

  • Kandinsky
    This pattern of nearly immediate dehydration from exposure resulting in the sensation of running a very high fever while being cold struck me as an aspect of this that is not psychological or neurological which throws off my own analysis of this.
    The cases that occurred in South America really turned my head around.These folks were subsistence farmers and had absolutely no motivation to conjure these events up in light of receiving anything in return.
    Another striking feature of these alleged attempted abductions were that they were reported to be unsuccessful for various reasons.
    When I did an essay on OBE as related to NDE and Alien Abductions I had one comment that claimed I was discounting other aspects of this category, and I recognize the entire genre has both characteristics of OBE as well as physicality if the South American witnesses to the attempted abductions of others are to be believed. I suggested to the reader that this scenario may have more than one source of these effects. Thats the best I can construe from this and I suspect I can be equally wrong in this as well.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, December 23, 2014  

  • [Sorry this comment is so late, Rich, but I am trying to catch up. I read this account a few years ago, so I'd like to give my two cents -- in two parts!]

    PART 1

    > I'll dig out the Clark piece to see if there is any reference to who did the hypnosis or how the hypnosis was handled in the case cited.

    I have a copy of the magazine (for those who don't, the article is reprinted in Rogo's book UFO Abductions, later published as Alien Abductions).

    The claimants were college acquaintances of Clark. They reported being tracked by a bright light as they drove through the night, as well as seeing a weird-looking man walking along the road, and finally headless beings driving a camper (really). For some unexplained reason -- perhaps Hill envy -- Clark thought there was more to the story, so he sought out a hypnotist. A university psychologist, also a friend of Clark's, recommended to him a psychiatrist "skilled in the techniques of regressive hypnosis." Clark gives the hypnotist the pseudonym (spelled "pseydonym" by the magazine!) of Dr. Warren Kelly. Clark and his psych buddy tell "Kelly" that "in the past hypnosis had been used to uncover UFO episodes of which the witnesses had no conscious memory." Clark then proposes hypnosis to the claimants.

    It's pretty clear that Clark, not the witnesses, was pushing for hypnosis to reveal "more." Clark, I hope naively, told the hypnotist what Clark wanted to find -- thereby tainting the proceedings (Clark should have simply asked that the couple be regressed to the date of the sighting, without putting expectations into anyone's mind).

    The witnesses agreed to the hypnosis but as the session commenced, "grew increasingly less cooperative." Dr. Kelly also wanted to stop the sessions. The subject matter was freaking everyone out. "Kelly did perform one final hypnosis session, however." Clark doesn't say who decided they needed to press on, but at no point does Clark say he agreed they should stop. One has to wonder if, faced with such resistance, Clark pleaded, "Just one more session, please, and you can stop."

    Anyway, the woman finally reveals "the hidden dimension of the UFO experience" that Clark had been hoping for. But then, as Rich noted in his post, something spooky happens:

    "Unfortunately the tape which described all of this disappeared before it could be transcribed." Clark explains, "I had kept it in my apartment and knew exactly where it was. It was not in an open spot where anyone could take it..." Clark does not find it after months of looking, not even during his move out of the apartment. But that's okay, because Clark then plays the "missing evidence is still positive evidence" card:

    "Naturally I thought [the tape going missing] was odd but didn't think too much about it until later, after other [unnamed!] investigators involved in hypnotic regression cases had told me that they had mysteriously lost their first tapes." Clark disingenuously adds, in true mystery monger fashion, "I don't pretend to know what any of this means but I mention it for whatever it's worth."

    Clark perseveres, reporting that, under hypnosis, the woman says that as the UFO approached, she felt numb, as if her body had gone to sleep. She is then lifted up, out of the car and into the ship. What Clark doesn't say at this point is, was she driving or in the passenger seat? This is import because early on we are told of the couple's driving duties, "While one drove, the other slept." How could Clark leave out this crucial detail? Either she was asleep when "abducted" or she was driving and the aliens were steering the car after extracting her! We are also not told what the boyfriend saw! (This last point will come up again -- though Clark, both times, is not puzzled by the discrepancy.)

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Tuesday, January 13, 2015  

  • PART 2

    Later, when the boyfriend sees an alien on the road, we are told the woman is now driving. The man feels a tingling sensation. He is lifted out of the car. Again, we are not told what the car driver saw when the passenger was floated out of the vehicle!

    On the ship, the man reports being very tired; he falls asleep while sitting in a chair in the alien ship -- and awakens in the car! The girlfriend is still driving, unaware of the kidnapping!

    The man's description of the inside of the ship is hilarious: he is sitting on a chair in a circular room with slanted walls and "a slanted desktop that goes around...I can look out and see the sky....The clear [dome] top [of the ship] starts at the top of the slanted desk."

    Again, one wonders, was the witness actually asleep the whole time he thought the abduction was happening? Did the man, sleeping in a sitting position, briefly open his eyes, see the car dashboard, and look out the windshield?

    I could go on and on with this kind of analysis, but I'll just add a couple brief points about the hypnosis:

    Clark tells us the couple were hypnotised separately then given a post-hypnotic suggestion to forget what they'd said in the regression sessions. This was to ensure they didn't contaminate each other's testimony. However, the incident took place in 1969 and the hypnosis sessions occurred in 1975. The couple didn't talk to each other about the incident for six years? The Hills peddled that line but it was shown not to be true: the Hills talked to everyone about the sighting and Barney knew all about Betty's abduction dreams.

    Leo Sprinkle does not meet the couple until shortly after their hypnosis sessions ended. Clark describes them at this time as now frightened and worried about their safety. Sprinkle does not regress them, he simply reassures them: "You know, in many ways you're lucky to have a UFO experience. Many people would envy you."

    Ufology: That's entertainment!

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Tuesday, January 13, 2015  

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