UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, February 22, 2015

Forbidden Planet: Forbidden UFOs

Watching TCM's presentation of the 1956 movie, Forbidden Planet, one has to recognize that the creators of the film had a grasp of what an extraterrestrial culture might be like: The Krell

The Krell, who died out 200,000 years earlier in the film's scenario, had a culture derived from millennia of technical, artistic advances.
An advanced race of beings, who traverse the galaxy (or universe) would not be, if we understand intelligence and evolution of species (no matter from where) correctly, frail beings traveling in frail craft, subject to failure, as Roswell believers have it.

The idea of a crashed flying disk is ludicrous on the face of it.

But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that lightning or some other unexpected Earthian surprise brought down a space-traveling craft and its crew.

Would the crew not have accoutrements of an advanced kind, artifacts too futuristic to be understood by those recovering their downed ship?
Is there any evidence of such artifacts -- and I'm not talking about the prosaic items Corso provided in his book? None have shown up in any overt, obvious way (a support of CDA's argument about how crazy it is to think science and scientists would keep a Roswell alien crash secret, all these years).

The problem with UFOs and Roswell is that the indications and reports by alleged witnesses are too mundane to support an advanced race of extraterrestrial travelers.

(Moreover, the Earth, as I keep noting, is too insignificant to attract a space-traveling species: the galaxy and universe itself have more, many more, interesting places to visit, despite our desire to see ourselves as a special creation on a special planet.)



  • I agree,extraordinary artifacts are definteley something you would expect. Stumbled on this article yesterday:


    By Blogger Zak McKracken, at Sunday, February 22, 2015  

  • Hi Rich,
    You said:"The problem with UFOs and Roswell is that the indications and reports by alleged witnesses are too mundane to support an advanced race of extraterrestrial travelers."

    Yes, that's an important point.
    The creatures were members of an advanced, ancient earthly civilization, therefor probably only "mundane".
    The MP testified that two men could lift the craft that crashed North of Roswell.
    And all witnesses report very light, (almost massless) debris.

    We are being visited, but perhaps by neighbors making a social call.
    No need for fancy, out-of-this world technology. And they sure seem to show a concern with our nuclear programs and weapons.

    We should reconsider atomic fallout as a cause of the two crashes:
    Nogal Canyon, outside of Socorro,
    and the Roswell crash behind the two windmills.


    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Sunday, February 22, 2015  

  • According to one of the researchers in regards to Nogal Canyon -- it is a Fraud: http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/Mantle/Case%20Files/Anomalies%20in%20the%20New%20Mexico%20Desert/Fraud_Anomalies%20in%20the%20New%20Mexico%20Desert.html

    While Mac Tonnies idea of cryptoterrestrials may be distasteful to some... they seem more realistic than the Roswell ETH'ers

    By Blogger gishzida, at Sunday, February 22, 2015  

  • > Is there any evidence of such artifacts

    The only UFO back-engineering I have noticed is when witnesses change their stories to cover up weaknesses in their early accounts.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, February 23, 2015  

  • It is difficult to imagine an 'Earthian' phenomena that would be so disruptive to their craft which would not exist in much greater concentrations in space and which their craft would presumably be capable of not only detecting, but avoiding.

    But that doesn't address the fact that everything we humans have discovered about technology is that technology always comes with 'glitches'. Machines break down at unexpected and inopportune times.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Monday, February 23, 2015  

  • 'Forbidden Planet' DID leave a series of extraordinary artifacts here on Terra... the incomparable line of super high end Krell audio amplifiers!

    By Blogger G. Shumway, at Monday, February 23, 2015  

  • Not to get too far off-point, but I don't recall that the fictional Krell were much for traveling off-planet and interacting with other species. All their energies seemed focused on Altair IV. This planet-centric theme was touched on in other threads on this blog, and is a minor but interesting side-note to the current arguments over whether SETI should be active or passive, and how some civilizations might prefer to remain quietly inside their own solar system rather than surveil other worlds or colonize Earth.

    By Blogger Ron, at Monday, February 23, 2015  

  • "they turned...outward toward space. Long before the dawn of man's history, they had walked our Earth, and brought back many biological specimens." --Dr. Morbius on the Krell

    But your planet-centric point remains one of a group of several strong exceptions to the Fermi paradox: They're not like us!

    They are too alien. They're non-technological. They're ideologically indisposed or they've grown very old and lost interest in exploration.


    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Tuesday, February 24, 2015  

  • Thank you, Zoam, for jogging my memory. Of course that would explain Altera's tiger, etc.

    I find home-alone theories fascinating.

    By Blogger Ron, at Tuesday, February 24, 2015  

  • Gishzida said:
    "regards to Nogal Canyon -- it is a Fraud"

    Nogal canyon crash site is a real place, with a real crash site.

    The only hoaxed aspect is Ronnie Milione who tried to create confusion by claiming to be someone he wasn't.
    Try this link:

    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Tuesday, February 24, 2015  

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