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Wednesday, February 11, 2015

The Desire to Debunk and Fuck with People: The Slides Imbroglio

Pressing Adam Dew for proof of a college degree is off the mark and ridiculous.

His work is what counts not what schooling he’s had or hasn’t had.

Examine his output, and criticize that if you must.

As for Gilles Fernandez’ museum cacophony to disprove the Kodachrome slides images (or alleged “alien” pictured), that’s what Gilles does: debunk, vibrantly, anything that smacks of an attempt to show UFOs and UFO accoutrements as extraterrestrial.

Gilles is livid when it comes to an idea of ETs visiting the Earth.

His sojourns at his web-site and his visitations to UFO blogs and web-sites here are rife with incomprehensible refutations that one has to take with a grain of salt.

Gilles is not objective, nor does he have the open mind of a searcher for truth: he is a hardened skeptic who throws everything he can find at those who even suggest that UFOs might be examples of extraterrestrial visitation.

I don’t see the Kodachrome slides as evidence of a Roswell crash or an alien [ET] body, nor do I think UFOs come from galaxies far, far away.

But that doesn’t mean the idea of ET visitation is impossible; improbable for me, but not impossible.

Throwing tepid water on UFOs and now the Kodachrome slides we are dealing with is a thing that swells Gilles’ ego, nothing more.

He has been discredited by his countrymen in the past and by me and others recently for his Airship nonsense.

But I like him, and so do the UFO skeptics in the UFO community here; Gilles is funny and very French, like Monsieur Hulot.

But let’s not give him more publicity than he deserves.

RR

41 Comments:

  • You just did

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Rich,

    Another one your humor/nerves crisis and desire for UFO psycho-drama? :p

    I asked nobody and more, certainly not you (or Kevin) to publish such "works". You did it for your own initiative (as Kevin Randle). I didnt ring the bell to you, nor Kevin...

    I do my things/affairs at my own blog, in our French forum and some little FB pages, in other private FB page or email list.

    So, if you have a problem with me, ignore me. That's simple, old friend...

    It is not me again who asked you to speack/wrote about me and the Mummy investigations/leads/pists.

    If you have sort of obsession about me, well deal with it! I can nothing for you.

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Gilles,

    I like your ruminations and will place them online when you offer them

    But neither your postings nor mine come forward "ex cathedra" so they are open to criticism.

    But you are a disruptor, which I admire and emulate; you as a debunker, me just as trouble-maker, which Paul Kimball understands.

    No personal animus here from me about you.

    I repeat, I like you -- you're just a little nutty, like me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • "Pressing Adam Dew for proof of a college degree is off the mark and ridiculous."

    Randle wrote:
    "Adam Dew tells us, “I am a graduate of Northwestern University (BSJ '98). If I wasn't on an actual paying job (as opposed to the slide doc project) I’d post the diploma for you"

    http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/02/roswell-slides-and-video-clips.html

    So, 'RRRGroup', have you been retained as Adam Dew's Media P.R. Consultant?

    ...sure seems like it!

    By Blogger Loki, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Loki...

    Let's deal with the substance of Dew's work, not his schooling or lack of same.

    Your pressing him is a side-bar, not important in the slides matter.

    You know that. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

    You're a smart guy.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Dear Rich,

    Someone and certainly not me warned you about our "findings".

    You created an article at you own blog and own initiative about thing more or less stolen in the web where I search no one publicity and now you are claiming:

    "But let’s not give him more publicity than he deserves."

    You see how paradoxal (I rest polite and with courtesy) you are?

    You know, maybe too much UFO is bad for (your) mental health. Take it easy and make a pause, old friend :p

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Merci, Gilles...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • "So, 'RRRGroup', have you been retained as Adam Dew's Media P.R. Consultant?"

    "Let's deal with the substance of Dew's work, not his schooling or lack of same.
    Your pressing him is a side-bar, not important in the slides matter.
    You know that. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
    You're a smart guy."

    Thanks for confirming via a nonanswer my suspicion that you are busily creating the new 'Brian Williams' of ufology.

    By Blogger Loki, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • This is getting out of hand now, can we not just focus on the slides and what they may be instead of having a go at one another ?

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Speaking of Brian Williams...

    At my Facebook MediaWatch page the media folks are unanimous in applauding his suspension.

    I wrote that the guy is basically decent and one might consider a neurological glitch that caused his confabulation.

    That shut them up.

    And this Dew thing is similar, in that the schooling issue is a red-herring.

    Beneath you, Loki...I would hope.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • RR-

    is 'The Slides Imbroglio' a subtle dig at 'The Dream Team' will-to-believe anyone who 'claims' professional credentials?

    http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/07/crash-of-philip-j-imbrogno.html

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • No, KP...

    It's a slam on UFO asses.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • LOL...Brian Williams seems like a nice guy but he's a liar and has lied countless times over the years. However, it's not about being a nice gay or not, it's abut lying that got him in trouble. Also, rumor is he's out and not just suspended for 6 months. Supposedly they are trying to see if Lester Holt has enough appeal to carry the nightly news or if they need to hire someone else.

    As for Adam Dew, if he lied about his background then it's further evidence that we shouldn't trust him. I don't accept his excuse as to why he can't post his diploma. He claims that he can't because of his current job, right.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • I request that "Ufo Research Network" tells us whether he, or she, is a person or a network.

    Individuals can use pseudonyms if they want, but I do not believe they should pretend they are a 'network', unless of course they are the spokesman for a group of people.

    By the way I am an individual. I am not a network, either of humans or computers.

    RRRgroup is a genuine group, I assume, even if their spokesman is, almost always, just one individual.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • @cda

    Im an individual but have a forum named ufo research network.

    I speak for myself do you want to know my name ?

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • The degree is a footnote. I am more concerned with some of Dew's ridiculous methods for validating the slides, specifically, the unnamed "witness" in the trailer who claims to have seen the Roswell bodies, and asserts the slides show the same thing.

    Since Dew has put that out there, in the trailer and on this blog, it's fair game.

    So far, he has been unable to answer these criticisms directly, insinuating they are mere attacks. That suggests Dew hasn't the least bit of understanding or interest in proper standards of evidence -- and he certainly does not believe in accountability.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • The "witness" shown in the trailer is, I think, an old man, in his 90s, in ill-health and rather protected from rampaging UFO buffs by Anthony Bragalia and the Roswell Team members.

    Adam Dew is not about to name the man, nor are Team members either, at least not now.

    One understands their caution, when we see all the nuttiness that has ensued since the May 5th announcement.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • As for Gilles, I appreciate his information. The mummy is remarkably similar to the figure in the slides. If not the exact same item, the mummy and its display give us a good model for identifying the body in the slides.

    This is crucial because so much of ufological evidence is based on negative assertions such as "nothing human can do/look like that." Gilles' colleagues have found an excellent analog to the slides figure, effectively removing this lame tactic.

    We all are now better informed for when the May "reveal" comes.

    Thank you, Gilles.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • I believe Kevin said even he didn't know who the man was, assuming that Tom and Don vetted him.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • My first two comments were genuine and respectful dissents from Rich's theses in this post.

    If I may return to my regular smartass mode, I need to ask about the headline: Rich, are we allowed to swear on your blog now?

    I don't want to swear. I fear it will become a competition. One I will win. Not because I like swearing, but because I like to be the best at making creative constructions.

    (I won't be able to help myself.)

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Fuck isn't swearing, Terry.

    It's a great Anglo-Saxon term for sexual activity of a rather rough kind.

    D.H. Lawrence and other great writers used the word judiciously, and you can too, here.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • @cda

    You've asked me who I am. So who is cda ?

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • > protected from rampaging UFO buffs by Anthony Bragalia and the Roswell Team members.

    Not protected. They put him in the trailer, and they have been making claims about his credibility for some months now.

    If they wanted to protect him, they would have waited until the reveal in May. Instead, they have been exploiting him in public. This is undeniable, Rich.

    Also, as Doc implies, there could be another reason for keeping the witness' name secret. Quite simply, it would be easy for Kevin Randle to search Army records to find out if the man ever served. Randle has experience doing this search, and as a veteran himself, has a very legit beef about "false valour" claims.

    The Dream Team wants it both ways: brag about their witness while insulating him from independent verification.

    Tactics, tactics, tactics.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • UFO Research....

    CDA is Christopher Allen (I don't know what he D is -- David?).

    He's a long-time UFO celebrity and Brit who has had UFO cachet before most of of the UFO community was born or interested in the topic.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Terry...

    There are two fellows in the trailer, right?

    A lieutenant and an older guy, or are they both one and the same?

    I didn't look at the trailer.

    But there is an older witness and Tony Bragalia has made it his mission to keep that man free from abuse by UFO quidnuncs.

    That's all I know.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • @ Terry,

    You are correct. People are just assuming that Tom and Don vetted that man. They may not have. Adam may simply have just pulled the first person off the street who claimed to have been at Roswell and simply believed him for all we know.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Here's one item to laugh over, pertaining to Terry's remark above.

    In a recent UK TV series about rough boys in a young offenders prison, running between 9pm and 10pm each day, there were 3 commerical breaks during the show. The F-word was spoken quite frequently and was bleeped out during the first period (9 to 9.15) but kept in for the remainder of the show.

    Presumably the theory was that any kids watching the program would have gone to bed by 9.15 pm!

    No, I am not kidding.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • > A lieutenant and an older guy, or are they both one and the same?

    They're one guy, Rich.

    We see an old man identified only as an Army lieutenant. He looks at the slide (on a PC monitor) and verifies it is what he saw at Roswell, "or a good copy." The old man's face is on camera, front and centre.

    He is not being protected, he is being used to promote.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • "He has been discredited by...me and others recently for his Airship nonsense."

    And when did all of this supposedly occur?

    Gilles' PSH treatment of the Great Airship Mania of 1896-97 is virtually flawless.

    There never were any "Airships" of any kind, only newspaper hoaxes and an entirely predisposed population.

    "They described seeing exactly what the newspapers told them they would see! [g]

    "And they even reported hearing the Airships' motors and the voices of their crews. But there never were any airships. ...

    "But here's the Möbius twist: Then the newspapers reported on these Airship "sightings" as REAL! And they sold even more newspapers--which generated more "Airship" fairy tales!

    "So you see the twisted loop is essential to the "UFO" myth. Hoax the fantastic to captive readers, then report the feedback of the most credulous boobs in the readership as reality. ...

    "Then again in 1947, the public was entirely predisposed by the newspapers' "saucer" error--so they reported seeing Flying Saucers! [Gasp!]

    "And that's the story: Believing is Seeing! The PSH in a nutshell."

    The Null hypothesis--the fact that there are no real "UFOs"--requires the PSH; if there were real "UFOs" of any kind, the PSH of reports would not be necessary.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • RR:

    I am NOT a celebrity! What exactly am I 'celebrated' for?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Ok thanks for the info on CDA Rich its appreciated.

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • CDA is too modest.

    He shows up, mentioned in many classic UFO cases. (I've placed a few online here.)

    Christopher is no UFO slouch; he's well-read on the UFO topic and his views have been sensible for a long, long time, as cognoscenti know.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Well...I went over to Randle's blog and stumbled across an on-going bar fight including folks being tossed through the windows.

    A drive by shooting between the ET Crips and Roswell Bloods.

    Jeez....

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Yes, even the mild-tempered Kevin has had enough.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • As pathetic, and only mildly amusing, as the slides sham is, that's all it is until shown to be otherwise. An extraordinary explanation is the "least likely" and the mundane is "most likely" by the principle of parsimony and plain good sense.

    What appears to be a photograph of a mummified child is being forced into a Roswell-alien context and presented much like a "found object" curiousity in a carnival sideshow with some 1947 intrigue and photo analysis "science" hype.

    Those demanding that this found object be examined scientifically before it can be dismissed are simply falling for the Roswell-alien sideshow hype--an entirely fictional context--wishfully, religiously, habitually and stupidly. They're irrationally equating the fantastical "least likely" and the "most likely" and so are continuously reaffirming their Roswell-alien fantasy. This is the definition of pseudoscience.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience#Pseudoscientific_concepts

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, February 12, 2015  

  • Rich
    I have a question. In the Kodak slide we're discussing, there is a pole with symbols of some kind, leaning on or standing next to the table, near the creature's head. That pole looks like an I-beam connected to the Roswell story. Any ideas as to what it could be?
    Ed

    By Blogger edward gehrman, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

  • No, Ed, but I'll pass on your query to a Team member for a possible clarification.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

  • Ed, a Team member who knows writes:

    Those are not symbols- they are holes in an erector-set type support.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

  • Both this and Randle's blog have promoted Adam Dew's Roswell slides documentary, starring Schmitt and Carey (with a special appearance by Shorty the Dead Body).

    Now there is another Roswell slides documentary starring Schmitt, Carey (and Shorty):

    "No other journalist has had the access I gained in 2013, noone else has Don Schmitt and Tom Carey discussing the slides on camera before the world knew they existed, no other film has the complete story of how this controversial evidence came to be and how it has developed into the event it will soon become. What we have on camera will be the most revealing of any other production that follows in our footsteps. My dedication and persistence will now pay dividends as all others who begin to cover the story will be trying to play catch up in a race they can never win - you can't outrun the truth however fast your legs move."

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1429561667/cosmic-whistleblowers/posts

    This really turning in to a Roswellian "Bone Wars".

    Note there is never mention of the rest of the Dream Team.
    Seems only about fame for Schmitt and Carey.

    This Way to the Egress?

    By Blogger Loki, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

  • @ Loki,

    This shit cracks me up:

    "Over the coming months there will be a lot of coverage, news, reports, videos, and even other films made around these slides as everyone jumps on the Roswell bandwagon once again. It will become about money and people making names for themselves as they clamber over each other to reach to the top of a UFO media storm. In some ways this has already begun."

    The media has shown zero interest in the Ringling Bros. and Cary & Schmitt circus. They don't want to touch it. If this gets any media attention it will be to deride it and poke fun of it. Roswell mania was so 90s. It's long dead.

    And what the documentary maker fails to understand is that a good majority of the UFO community does not believe that the being in the slides is an alien. So this will even damper further any media interest as they learn that a good majority of the UFO community does not support it.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

  • Don't be too sure:

    http://www.womansday.com/life/daily-buzz/this-is-the-biggest-roswell-news-since-1947

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Friday, February 13, 2015  

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