UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, February 10, 2015

The Kodak image (a simulation?) in color (and compared to the previous real Kodachrome slide offering) from Gilles Fernandez

French UFO researcher Gilles Fernandez offered these colorized images and comparison in a link for a comment at the Adam Dew material posting here:
Mouse over image and click to see photo(s) larger.

But the colorized images don't seem to be of the same "being" shown in the sepia toned photo from the actual Kodoachome slide.

I think Monsieur Fernandez is mucking around here.

RR

49 Comments:

  • As I suggested, it was a mummified child. We still need to know the museum where it is on display.

    Tom Carey's and Don Schmitt's reputation is destroyed.

    Roswell is officially dead.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Having been employed as a engineer at both aseptic pharmaceutical and biologically derived food additives take a closer gander at the case architecture...Does this look like a sealed case to you my friends? An air tight seal to prevent biological contamination? Look at the the latch, it looks like something on a Walmart media cabinet.
    This is becoming more comical by the moment.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • I'd say that it's definitely not the same bodies, but the similarity is so close that it's down this path that research should now be taken.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Nick,

    I could very well be the same body for all we know. The only difference would be the storage/display of the body from 47 to the present day.

    The being in the slides looks like a display that a museum would have in storage, probably prepping it for it's official display.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • The arms and head, Doc, are different.

    I think Gilles is just confusing the matter further.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • TY Rich...

    NB: the bottom image is a one I extracted from : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=febxlcbF0Q0

    A new "mount" I did cause a friend added one more (extrem right new one):
    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/roswel12.jpg

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • It just adds noise to an already noisy matter Gilles.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Why is everyone jumping the gun. The skeptics who comment here that pretend they are scientifically minded are using copies of copies of copies, now skeptics are Photoshopping themselves and manipulating the images.

    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Why post these? Why would you alter them then spread them around on the internet? This is going to make the skeptics happy to see these lousy versions of the slides and altered ones.

    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • DocConjure are you even paying attention? these are not the slides but reproductions. Geeesh it might help you to follow a little closer.

    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • I agree Turk OVNI.

    I usually only publish photos and material from people I trust.

    But some foolishness has sneaked through.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Gilles,

    Can you find the museum where this display is found?

    If so, try to email the slides to the curator and see if he/she can identify it as one of theirs.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • "I think Gilles is just confusing the matter further."

    I dont think so, dear Rich...

    Me too as commented (in FB) there is a problem concerning some things regarding my comparisons, but maybe not. I meant probably not the exact culprit...

    It's a lead/pist, not called on extraterrestrial being or something extraodinary... (I have another one from the "reserve of a museum" I reserve -sic- for my blog)...

    I only wait the full (or a better one) resolution of the so called alien slide, because I think I have the culprit one...

    When Carey or Schmitt, or any Roswell "mythmakers" will provide good resolution of the slide, see you again ;)

    Amitiés,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Turk,

    Kevin Randle has confirmed it is the real slides. it's not a "reproduction" as you claim.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • yeah, this is just confusing things even more now

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Nick,

    No it's not. The being in the slides is clearly a mummified child despite all the propaganda from the slide proponents.

    Gilles is on to something. Everyone who continues to hold on to that single shred of hope that the being in the slides is actually an alien is part of the problem and belongs to the camp trying to muddy the waters.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Nick et al....

    Tony Bragalia warned me about proffering stuff about the slides before they were presented to the public.

    I scoffed at the "wait and see" attitude, but Maybe Tony was right.

    Everyone is getting in on the act, and making it goofier than it may be.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Yes, the sepia toned photo, Nick, is from the Kodachrome slides.

    Gilles' photos are from elsewhere, yet to be determined.

    Gilles says a friend came up with the comparison.

    The similarity is interesting but mucks up the matter.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Rich
    I deleted my last comment as I mis-worded it. Here is how it should be:

    This is what I'm confused about: the old shot is the slide, correct? But where is the color photo from that has the foot circled?

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Ok cool, understood now.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • "Everyone is getting in on the act, and making it goofier than it may be."

    How much goofier can putting a specimen of "extra-terrestrial life form" on a blanket inside of glass case with a sign on it get? I'd venture to say, "Not much."

    By Blogger The Trained Observer, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

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    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Rich, now you see why I hold the position of wait and see.

    It's a shit storm now and we have to let the waters settle and flotsam drift away.

    And this coming from me who is totally skeptical about all of this to begin with.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • I don't think I am going to read or look at anything on this matter until after May. I don't think I can handle the constant bickering that goes on.

    See you all after May.

    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Yes, Turk, patience is a virtue but we're rather far down the slides road at this point.

    Waiting until May may be futile as I'm hearing the auditorium thing may be scuttled for a TV show instead.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Turk,

    Wrong. We don't have to wait. That is one of the real slides.

    You are a typical true believer.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • I agree that the similarity in Gilles images is close enough that further research should be done on that. Sorry if I was blunt with my comment I am just growing frustrated.

    By Blogger Turk OVNI, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • I get your point Tim....you've always been more sensible than me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Turk,

    We're all frustrated.

    The Team that uncovered the slides told us all to be patient and wait for their investigation to be completed.

    But now we've found out that a gazillion people were in on the slides, besides the Team, and these were people who have no more cachet than the rest of us.

    The whole matter has been handled shamefully and shabbily.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Dunno if it could help ;)

    One more of "my" own:

    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro10.jpg

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • "The whole matter has been handled shamefully and shabbily."

    THAT is an understatement RR! This whole scenario is a lungful downwind of that Shakespearian Danish fish-market. Get a grip people: a 10K seat arena? Yeah, ok let the "true-believers" stand in line for daze for tix. IMO This is only the latest example how this important subject is being skillfully rendered null & void by those who claim to be a part of "the solution." There is no "solution" — only greed, grandstanding, good intentions & naiveté.

    By Blogger Christopher O'Brien, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Rich, read Adam Dew's last comment on Randle's blog.

    I get the sense that all of this may be a head fake.

    Are we 100 percent sure that the slides presented so far are what was or is to be presented in Mexico City?

    It's been way too easy to cast doubt and debunk...it smells, or am I giving Dew too much credit?

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Rich.

    If u look at the Kodakrome slide documentary the part at the end when they reproduce the close up of the beings head.

    That looks nothing like a mummified child, the structure and all of it.

    Also do they tend to chop off childrens heads when they were mummified because the beings head is severed and replaced at an unnatural angle, why do that and then mummifie it? This really is all stupidity now.

    By Blogger Al12, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • On the left, an alien body, on the right, well an alien body... :p

    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro10.jpg

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • "I think Gilles is just confusing the matter further."

    I think Gilles is spot on--as usual.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Gilles is gathering museum specimens and trotting them out to muck up the ongoing "discussions" here.

    He's being disruptive, so I have to congratulate him for that, but he's not being investigative or helpful; he's being obtuse, which I find interesting for a cognitive psychologist.

    Maybe he's working on a thesis or book.

    You know, the French like to get embroiled in controversy.

    It's part of their collective unconscious, from The Terror.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Al12,

    If it's a mummy, which it is, then the head could have broken off during recovery. It's not uncommon.

    Also, what Tom Carey calls signs of an "autopsy" might actually be part of the mummification process where the organs are removed to prevent decomposition to the rest of the body.

    It's time to face the facts. This is no alien. It's a mummified child and the fact that it was going to be passed off as an alien to make profit is absurdly offensive. Shame on every one involved in this circus.

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • He's being disruptive, so I have to congratulate him for that, but "he's not being investigative or helpful; he's being obtuse, which I find interesting for a cognitive psychologist."


    ===> again, when the slide in better resolution realesing, I will read some your pale excuse, or you will delete your/this blog entry you made, as usual?

    Sacred uf(o)ologists!

    Gilles Fernandez

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Huh?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • What is the point in holding this presentation now? If it is such an obvious fake or mummified child, will there be anyone left who still thinks, or hopes, it is an ET?

    Over a hundred years ago there was a presentation in London by a two gentlemen telling a large audience, mainly of scientists, how they had found the fossil bones of Piltdown Man. Those present were convinced and remained so for 40 years. Then it all fell apart.

    I can't see the present lot doing the same. It has more or less fallen apart even before being presented. And no scientist believes in this ET thing, nor will they ever. Who is going to wipe the egg off these peoples' faces?

    Can this farce really STILL take place?

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • cda;

    Nobody ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of the central american republic. (g)

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Careys comment on this from Kevin Randles blog :"This is not the end of the story, of course. Tom Carey reported, “What we thought at first was the being’s foot (circled in the images) isn't a foot at all. It's something else (a piece of debris?) sticking up. The being’s feet actually end behind the placard. Yes, we were on to that almost two years ago. Of course this will not satisfy what's going on out there right now on the blogs, which is insane.”

    By Blogger Zak McKracken, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

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    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tfpZ8vYcHsA/VNqSN8IG1aI/AAAAAAAABas/BdOijs4lQI0/s1600/slides%2B00001.jpg

    For your eyes only ^^

    When the roswell Dreamteam will offer better resolution of the slide, Mmmmmm... ^^

    Gilles...

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • @ Gilles,

    Check the floor as well!

    Email the slides to the curator! :)

    By Blogger DocConjure, at Tuesday, February 10, 2015  

  • Nick asked, "But where is the color photo from that has the foot circled?"

    After Gilles provided the name of the museum, I plugged it into Google and looked at every image. I found a 2010 blog post (in English) that includes the one of the child mummy Gilles provided. The writer says:

    My first stop was the Museo de las Momias (Mummy Museum). The Guanajuato mummies were discovered in a nearby cemetery and were dug up between the years 1865 and 1958. Why were these bodies exhumed, you ask? Well, the local law required relatives to pay a kind of grave tax. You could pay the tax once and be done with it (for wealthier individuals) or you could pay a yearly fee (for the less wealthy). If the relatives could not pay this tax for three years, the body was dug up from the cemetery and put on display in the Mummy Museum. Fortunately, in 1958, the law was changed and no new bodies have been dug up.

    Make of that what you will!

    http://esperanzaenmexico.blogspot.ca/2010/03/charming-guanajuato.html

    I don't know the origin of the photo -- if it's from a museum site or from the blogger -- but the blogger has posted a very large version on Flickr.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/42291659@N04/4435682143/

    > Tom Carey reported, “What we thought at first was the being’s foot (circled in the images) isn't a foot at all. It's something else (a piece of debris?) sticking up.

    If you download the largest size (5120x3413) from Flickr and crop out everything but the child mummy, you can view it at 2536x1684. It will be very clear. You will note the mummy is wearing...booties!

    Is that the same smooth edge we see projecting up over the display label in the Roswell slide? Not alien "feet," as Tom demurs, but Zetan baby booties???

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Hello Terry and all,

    I don't know the origin of the photo -- if it's from a museum site [...].
    The third image in fact, (so probably the same mummy imho) was extracted from this video, so inside the Mummy Museum at Guanajuato.
    At around 2'50": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=febxlcbF0Q0

    A friend found this one too, I added here and at the extreme right and "up" (probably the same mummy):
    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/roswel12.jpg

    I dunno if what we see on the "Roswell" slide is an hole around the abdomen, but such hole (to extract visceria etc for mummy purpose&conservation?)seems "common" - here egyptian or romano-egyptian mummy exposed recently in Europa :
    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro11.jpg

    I'm now interrested by the "sticker". Again it sounds common regarding "Mummy" and in particulary regarding what we can find in the Mexican Museum:
    http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/19/01/83/59/000_ro12.jpg

    I'm curious if concerning the "coffer" in the slide, we could isolate if there are "wood" concerning the apparatus (bottom), in order to know more and maybe found a prosaic culprit for the slide.

    Maybe more when better resolution of the slide, who knows?

    Sorry for my bad English.

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • Hello,

    Concerning the lead of American museum, a friend found this picture. It is from the National Museum of Natural History.

    According to wikipedia: "Opened in 1910, the museum on the National Mall was one of the first Smithsonian buildings constructed exclusively to hold the national collections and research facilities".

    I dont state it is the culprit in the following "photo-montage" I made, but maybe in the collections of American Museum, there is our culprit...

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7R_Tiio45xY/VNtmNN-Bg9I/AAAAAAAABa8/Ofq6zHVYaDY/s1600/slides6.jpg

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

  • I don't get the reasoning behind the "Wait until May!" contingent. These are presumedly people with an interest in all things UFO, yet when presented with something claiming to be "The smoking gun" they pan, balk, and complain about anyone attempting to dig into the mystery. UFO buffs love a mystery. That is why they are UFO buffs. Dangle "The smoking gun!" in front of us in a video promoting a "history making" event and you cannot expect everyone to sit on their hands until they can pay money to see it in the latest pageant of paranormal pilfery. I am 75-80% confident at this point that shortly after a higher resolution copy of the slides are seen (if not before) that someone will positively identify the subject as a mummified human child most likely identifying the exact specimen. If that does indeed occur, then even more interesting and incendiary questions will naturally follow. If it turns out that I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, but as of right now, there is just too much going for the "human mummy" and very little going for the "ET on a blanket in a glass case under lights" option. Logic and common sense dictates that the government would not display something as valuable as an extraterrestrial life form on a blanket, in a case, and slap a label on it.

    By Blogger The Trained Observer, at Wednesday, February 11, 2015  

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