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Monday, March 09, 2015

Kodachrome “alien slides” side-tracked by Roswell connection

The so-called Roswell slides, those Kodachrome slides of an alleged alien body from the supposed Roswell flying disk crash, have been high-jacked by associating them with Roswell.

UFO “researchers” have always searched for Roswell material by using Google and pre-Google searches with Roswell as the key search word.

The Roswell event isn’t categorized by government and military agencies as a Roswell oriented incident, and the Kodak slides import is not keyed to Roswell either.

Investigators may find material about the 1947 mislabeled Roswell incident by using search terms other than Roswell.

I can make suggestions, as I’ve found slides information by avoiding the monikers and mistaken names or errant locations suffusing the slides debate all over the place.

I’ll be providing some new information about the slides and the named people involved in and with them upcoming; information that Anthony Bragalia and his cohorts do not have, although I’ve passed hints on to them.

As most of you know, I’ve often griped about how sloppy UFO researchers are and have been.

That sloppiness is even worse than I imagined – clues and deep research besmirched by cavalier and biased mind-sets.

Roswell corrupts everything UFO related, because “ufologists” see it as the holy grail of ET visitation, with bodies and evidence that might be recoverable even at this late date.

That mind-set has flawed the search for meaning in the UFO phenomenon.

But as a noted French skeptic often reminds us, “That’s ufology.”

RR

40 Comments:

  • On this Website...you all can see the real Roswell Slide:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm


    Published in the early 1990s and until today no one can prove that this real Roswell Slide is a fake.
    And it looks like very real like the postmortem photos in the early years of the 20th century, lool here:

    http://acidcow.com/pics/1453-the-migration-of-pictures-after-death-26-pics.html

    Roswell Witness Melvin E. Brown describes these beings like on the photo:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm


    And also the Document SoM describes such kind of EBEs on site 9:

    http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/som101_part1.pdf

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • MM:

    You've missed the mark here and those links are to sites that are hokum.

    I've always thought better of you but you're slipping lately and I write that as a "friend."

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Mu tried to hijack Randle's blog with this side issue and his backwards logic (MU is right unless we can disprove him). Randle issued a warning but still had to delete a stream of MU ravings.

    Let's not have such madness here.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Rich ~ "I’ll be providing some new information about the slides and the named people involved in and with them upcoming; information that Anthony Bragalia and his cohorts do not have, although I’ve passed hints on to them."

    Come on Rich, do you not think weve had enough of this circus already ?

    Just let us know what you know :-)

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Two responses...

    I don't know what has taken Mu off the rails, but I'll keep him corralled if I can.

    As for what I have, ufo research, some is nailed down, while other things are still being gathered.

    I don't want to rush in with stuff as the Roswell group has done (it seems).

    But I'll provide what I have, as soon as I can, although this post (above) was to note that Roswell has not been investigated sensibly nor have the slides been vetted thoroughly.

    I know many of you want closure on the slides (and Roswell too) but I'm not going to rush to judgement, as that's what I'm griping about here mostly.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Come on Rich, you have nothing or almost nothing.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Nice try Don...

    We'll see.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Rich "As for what I have, ufo research, some is nailed down, while other things are still being gathered.

    I don't want to rush in with stuff as the Roswell group has done (it seems)."

    Why mention it then ? you know how sensitive the slides subject has become.

    Your just adding to the drama!

    If you have some info share it.

    By Blogger ufo research network, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • UFO Research and Don:

    If you are regular readers or visitors here, you know that I think there are other stories embedded in the slides scenario, and it's those I hope to address.

    They are peripheral to the Roswell connected orientation that you fellows would wish to enhance.

    My point, which wasn't very clear or misunderstood by you guys, was and is that there is more here, in the slides imbroglio, than what you are obsessed with: Roswell, an alien body, or a protracted hoax.

    Your comments example my pique with ufological quidnuncs; they don't read well or understand plain English.

    My posting (above) relates to how Roswell has been mis-searched and how some slides information has been missed.

    Got it?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • My guess : it is the possible connection to the Aztec case., which had been dismissed (too ) early.

    By Blogger Zak McKracken, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Perhaps Zak...

    And more about the alleged photographers.

    There is an interesting sub-text and underbelly to the story that Don and UFO Research aren't even aware of, being out of the loop here (and elsewhere).

    Sloppy research and sloppy UFO buffs.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • @Terry:

    "Mu tried to hijack Randle's blog with this side issue and his backwards logic (MU is right unless we can disprove him). Randle issued a warning but still had to delete a stream of MU ravings."
    ------

    YET, I cannot help but notice that Randle (and sadly, RR whom I respect) have been eager to issue any and all of the streams of AJB ravings.

    (Please say it ain't so, RR)

    By Blogger Loki, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Loki:

    I haven't provided any submission of Mr. Bragalia since our dust-up a while back (since resolved), except for a comment to answer those who've mentioned him here.

    He has a right to confront his "foes" whereas Mu is just off the rails about Roswell....but I still allow him to comment here.

    I'm not a total fascist.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Mu's comment, late last night on Randle's blog was profanity laced thus deflating any logic that he was trying to put across.

    Bragalia's comments are not profanity laced, but heavily dosed with over-emotional persona. Not to mention the near hysteria concerning "skeptics" attempting to harass a 90 year old man about the slides.

    I like Bragalia's comments over Mu's because I'm into psycho-drama as I deal with it on a professional basis.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • @Terry the Censor

    I tried to "hijack" Kevins Blog? Are you crazy to write such accusation? *roll eyes*

    I am NOT a hacker...i cant "hijack" Blogs or whatever are in the internet!

    You are an idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQZx-s04sY !

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • @Mu

    I'm not worth my own meme?

    :(

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Rich said:

    "Sloppy research and sloppy UFO buffs"

    I see Rich, it was your Aztek higly speculative theory (sloppy research?), which at that time you did not make the clarification that it was speculation. Let's see if this time you can remove the stink from it.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Don:

    I allow your snark as it hits the mark, often.

    But don't rule out the Aztec connection quite yet.

    It's speculation with supporting material.

    Not that Aztec was a real event but was an extrapolation of the Roswell incident.

    So, take it easy.

    Read carefully and stick around.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • Michael Mu wrote:
    On this Website...you all can see the real Roswell Slide:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm

    Published in the early 1990s and until today no one can prove that this real Roswell Slide is a fake.


    Well actually we CAN prove it is a fake.

    The actual source was this wax/latex alien dummy made for "Expo'67" in 1981 in Montreal, Canada:

    http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/et/nonet03.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIi3uDxRKac

    http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ssw001.html

    By Blogger David Rudiak, at Monday, March 09, 2015  

  • @David Rudiak

    Look at the differences between both photos - the Marina Popowitch Puppet and the photo that i mean.

    1. The mouth on "my photo" is much greater as on the Marina Popowitch Puppet!

    2. The eyes are a little bit smaller as on the Marina Popowitch Puppet!

    3. The eye on the right side of the being, on the photo of the left side, seems to be damaged! The lower eyelid on the right eye of the being seems to be a little bit open!


    Do you see the differences? That is not the Marina Popowitch Puppet, the wax Puppet from Montreal!

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • Michael,

    Wait a couple of hours (time to make online materials in a web site), but it seems there were 2 dummies at this Montreal'67 1981 exposition, following my "source", the one pointed by David being -sic- one of the two dummies only.

    Regards,

    Gilles

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • @Gilles Fernandez

    Do i understand you correctly, you have photos(?) from a second Puppet from Montreal and it clearly show the same like on "my" photo?

    Ok...when that is true, than post the photo! I am not a hardcore believer...when you have prove than i will accept that "my" is a fake.

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • Michael Mu said : On this Website...you all can see the real Roswell Slide:
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm

    Hi Michael,

    Before reaching the conclusion that this is a genuine image of a Roswell alien, presumably you have noted the similarity to the wax model displayed at the "Man and his World" exhibition in Montreal, Canada which I discuss at the link below (in a rather abbreviated version of my lengthy notes on that model). As I mention there, the wax model was based on a clay sculpture entitled "Man of my dreams" by Canadian artist Linda Corriveau. The wax version had some differences from the clay version (including little things like adding hands, which Linda Corriveau later said she had completely overlooked!). Have you seen any photos of the original clay model and/or contacted Linda Corriveau? Those would seem to be obvious first steps when considering the photo you posted, before resorting to any exotic explanation. All the best, Isaac http://www.isaackoi.com/alien-photos/koi-alien-photo-11.html

    By Blogger Isaac Koi, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • @Issac Koi

    I thought the original Model ist that one:

    http://www.slimeworld.org/strange/graphics/alien21.jpg


    And the second is that:

    http://www.slimeworld.org/strange/ssw001.html


    But both is not the same like "my" photo!

    No i have not contacted Linda...but i can do that. I do it now...if there a email adress on their website.

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • Sorry...i found no email adress from Linda Corriveau! :-(

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Tuesday, March 10, 2015  

  • @Gilles Fernandez

    Hey...you said couple of hours and not days! Whats up? Where are the photos from the second dummy?

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Thursday, March 12, 2015  

  • @Gilles Fernandez

    Where is your "evidence"? You said a couple of hours but now its...weeks.

    Need your material or "evidence" weeks for an upload? ^^

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Monday, March 30, 2015  

  • Michael Mu -- you are incorrect. That image is of a prop located in a Japanese UFO museum. It has been in circulation for many years.

    http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-new-mexico-alien-with-a-zipper/

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Not even close O.R...

    See current posting from May 5th event.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • What??
    Please clarify your response because it makes no sense.

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Comparing the image you, OR and Michael see as similar to the Kodachrome body is ludicrous.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • @RR: What are you talking about??? I pointed out that that image Michael posted a link to (http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm) is actually related to a prop in a Japanese UFO museum---it has absolutely nothing to do with the "Roswell" slides that were revealed yesterday. Which, by the way, are wholly unimpressive. So all this mud slinging and arguing between researchers in the field of ufology was really for nothing. Could it be an alien body? Maybe. Could it be a mummy of some sort? Sure. I'll hold final judgement until I can see a 600 dpi crystal clear image of these slides.

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • OR:

    The image you and Michael are absorbed by is "old news" and out of the current conversations going on.

    I'd like to see you weigh in on the current postings (about the ragged May 5th event).

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • RR: Well, now that we have a much clearer photo of this body, I'm still very much on the fence: http://download.coasttocoastam.com/pages/AlienBody050615a.jpg

    For starters, even IF this photo was taken in 1949, two years after the alleged Roswell crash, there's simply no way the body would be in such a state of mummification. It looks like it's been laying in a cave in the desert for 50 years, so there's a problem right off the bat. We cannot see it's hands or feet to be able to count digits making it even more difficult to identify. Yes, the facial features are strange and Yes, it has been autopsied which begs the question: why would one autopsy a human mummy? But still, there are SOoooooo many unanswered questions here. Why does the display look so makeshift and temporary yet someone went to the trouble of creating little placards complete with a prop-up display stand behind them? What's on the opposite side of this display, it looks like a strand of hair behind the body and a large rock behind it's head. Hmmm, is this some sort of geology museum and this mummified body was discovered in a cave or something? It would make sense given Bernerd's profession. It would also make sense that Hilda might tuck those two slides away because she felt it was inappropriate or disrespectful to have photos of a dead body in her collection. So at this point not only am I not convinced this is related to Roswell, I'm not convinced it's an 'alien' either.

    -OR

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • OR:

    See current comments at new posting atop here.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • As the day moves on I am getting progressively more angry at Adam Dew, Tom Carey and Don Schmitt. This whole Roswell slide nonsense has done nothing but hurt the entire field of research and quite frankly it was the last f'king thing we needed given all the white noise that we already have to cut through in Ufology. These charlatans spent "years" researching these slides only to arrive at the wrong conclusion and then try to make as much money from it as possible. It's distasteful in the extreme and almost lawsuit-worthy in my opinion. Instead of spending as much time as they did analyzing the body they seemed to have shrugged off the multitude of other problems with this slide! If I had paid $100 to attend this event, I think I would have stood up and walked out of the auditorium upon seeing this slide. This is exactly the kind of crap that makes us want to shut down The Object Report and give up on this entire subject. Adam, Tom and Don should be ashamed of themselves and I really hope this entire thing blows up in their faces. I'm thoroughly disgusted. -OR

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Dammit OR...

    This latest comment of yours should be in one of the current posts where others will see it.

    No one goes back to a March 9th post.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Hello Object Reporter!

    Sorry...i realize first now that some People answered here again.


    Ok...here my answers:

    1. At this Time as i posted here i believe that Roswell Slides are a ancient Mummy. Please read the Comments from the first Comment of me here. My opinion was that the Photo on this Website http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm shows an dead Roswell Alien but not the Being on the Roswell Slides.
    I also wrote here that i believe that this Photo is not faked because until today no one can prove that this Photo is faked and its looks like to me very real...like the Post Mortem Photos in the early 1900s in the USA.

    2. Yes that Photo looks like very similar to the Kanada Alien Puppet that Marina Popowitsch published in the early 1990s.
    But its only similar...not the same...look at both Photos, please. You can see that the Mouth of the Being on "my" Photo is much bigger than of the Marina Popowtisch/Kanada Puppet. The right Eye of the Being on "my" Photo seems to be damage or the eyelid is a little bit open. That is on the Kanada Puppet not so.

    3. Gilles Fernandez told me that this Photo, "my" Photo shows a second Puppet from the Artist Linda Corriveau and he can prove that but he need "a couple of Hours" to upload the "Evidence"...that was 2 or 3 Month ago...you can see it in the Comments...look there...I asked twice but i got no answer from him.

    So...i think that he has lied...for what reasons also always...i dont know why. I only want to know the truth...but fact is that no one until todaycan prove that this Photo is a fake.

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Monday, May 11, 2015  

  • Hello again Object Reporter!

    You say that the Photo http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/history-roswell-incident2.htm shows a Puppet in japanese UFO Museum, right?

    Can prove that? Can post a Link to the japanese UFO Museum and is there new Photo of that Puppet?

    By Blogger Michael Mu, at Monday, May 11, 2015  

  • @Michael Mu

    I was mistaken--that prop was from the Montreal Expo in Canada, for some reason I thought it was Japan.

    http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-new-mexico-alien-with-a-zipper/

    As for your image, unless you have a SOURCE for that image, then this entire debate is the "Roswell Slides" all over again and I honestly have no interest in pursuing this conversation further. One random photo with no source does not prove it's an alien by any stretch of the imagination. I could spend days photoshopping an image to look like the most realistic 'alien' you've ever seen in your life. It does not make it a real alien.

    End of story.

    By Blogger Object Reporter, at Monday, May 11, 2015  

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