UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, March 15, 2015

Nick Redfern reconsiders the Kodachrome slides

http://nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com/2015/03/too-hasty-on-roswell-slides.html

27 Comments:

  • Kudos to you, Mr. Reynolds.
    To quote "Larry" from the Aztec is really roswell-article :"Well, OK. We read it here first."

    By Blogger Zak McKracken, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • RR-

    As we approach the early May release (same weekend as SlideFest2015!) of the anti-AI, anti-robot, assured Marvel blockbuster Avengers 2 sequel, it seems Redfern's offering of a charming real-world MCU tie-in of the existence of Marvel Comic's classic Fantastic Four villain 'The Mole Man' (and his minions) within Terra herself is actually MORE likely than what it would take to travel all the way here and ONLY THEN SCREW UP AND CRASH!

    (and since AJB has learned all he knows from reading comic books, I hope he will deign to enlighten us further!)

    By Blogger Loki, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Maybe Nick can fathom your insights Loki; they elude me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Rich, my hat goes off to you! I knew you were on to something. This is fantastic.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Sorry, RR-

    I sometimes I forget that I am communicating with you from from a parallel future universe, wherein we also laugh heartily at what happened in 2015 at the Mexico City "sliders" debacle.

    By Blogger Loki, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Hey Rich

    As I told Loki at my blog, I know zero about Marvel Comics etc but I get what he's saying, mainly!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • I got what he was saying, also but didn't want him to get swell-headed.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • I got what he was saying, also but didn't want him to get swell-headed.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • I like what Nick said on his blog, the last line in particular about underground studies.
    Maybe it's possible that our government thought these beings came from deep beneath the earth's surface. Or at least entertained the idea. Therefore contacting Silas Newton looking for a good geologist. Then Bernerd gets the invitation to look at the body, and give his opinion. Whether or not creatures like this could possibly exist deep underground? Bernerd hastily takes said photo, and later shows Silas. Who then talks to Scully...

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Oh I think there will be some startling disclosures at the May 5th shindig.

    We shall see...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Oh I think there will be some startling disclosures at the May 5th shindig.

    We shall see...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Daniel Hurd,

    You've noticed the same thing that caught my attention with regard to the Roswell slides a year ago - the involvement of geologists. If you remember, the Barney Barnett/Plains of San Agustin story centered around the discovery of aliens in the desert by a group of geologists, who were then warned off by army personnel arriving at the scene. This story comes from at least two, possibly three sources, which has me wondering...why is there a recurring theme of geology present in these stories?

    By Blogger CommanderCronus, at Sunday, March 15, 2015  

  • Hey Rich, this may interest you, at my blog. Someone is trying to derail the Newton/Ray link:

    http://nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com/2015/03/roswell-slides-murky-development.html

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Commander:

    How do you know these 'sources' are independent? The reason these sources tend to support each other is that each one is hearing the tale from a previous 'source', or reading about it, and expanding it. A case of rumor-mongering.

    Barney Barnett never visited San Agustin at all on the appropriate date, according to his own diaries.

    As for a group of geologists (how many?) being warned off by the military and thus keeping quiet about the alien bodies for 68 years - pure poppycock.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • I remember Don bringing Silas Newton up in early conversations about the slides but I never found a connection. I didn't see Newton having much of a presence in West Texas. My understanding from Hilda's family and friends was that she was focused on trust/estate law generally. I'll be interested to see the docs.

    By Blogger SlideBox Media, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • >> Maybe they were from...below.<<

    Yikes! 'Dem old Cosmic Conspiracy Deros are acting up again, Mama!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • So if I read between the lines, the hypothesis/theory is that Ray was involved with Newton for providing geological evidence that the "alien" bodies were of a possible "underground" or deep earth origin?

    Question: Why would the US military be inquisitive about aliens deep underground, when they had "prove positive" that the aliens where from another world by evidence of the capture and retrieval of a crashed flying saucer which was shipped to Wright-Patterson?

    Nick,

    Forgive me, I'm having a difficult time understanding the derail issues on your blog site...could you expound on that...it's still early here in SoCal and I'm working on my first cup of coffee...:)

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Here's my two cents worth:
    http://ufonalyzer.blogspot.com/2013/05/magnetic-engineering-and-aztec-by.html

    By Blogger charles tromblee, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Tim, my thought was that at the time (July 1947) we didn't know where these guys came from. I think the military may have been trying to eliminate the possibility that they were of earthly origin.
    My thought anyhow.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Daniel,

    Thanks kindly for responding to my comment.

    The Roswell story is built on the foundation that a UFO/saucer had crashed and it's debris collected by the military, ergo it descended from space.

    The Aztec UFO story is built on the foundation that a group of geologist had stumbled upon a government clean up operation of a crashed saucer, with dead aliens. This happening in 1948...supposedly.

    The loose theory being proffered is that the government had retained(?) the services of Ray, Newton, et al, to determine if the aliens had originated as a subterranean-type of origin.

    Two incidents happening approximately 1 year apart. Why would the government be interested in subterranean origins when they would have had "tangible" proof via "saucer" debris which had been confiscated and secreted back to Wright-Patterson?

    It defies logic...regardless of any so-called government attempt to use Aztec as a cover for Roswell.

    But, we shall patiently await Rich's disclosure of documents which provides a link...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • While I enjoy speculations about underground cryptoterrestrials as much (possibly more)than the next person, IF the Newton/Ray connection proves to be pertinent to the slides, wouldn't the more obvious conclusion be that the slides might simply depict either a mummy/medical curiosity of some kind, or some kind of hoaxed alien, which Newton intended to use as further corroborative evidence for his ET tech/oil dowser scam? If the connection holds, then Rich has managed to do what the Roswell Dream failed to do: to establish an actual connection between the Rays and UFOs; however, the connection is to a known fraudster, who tried (and succeeded for a time) to use UFO innuendo to fleece people out of vast sums of money. Hence, if the Newton/Ray link has any direct bearing on the slides, would that not argue more that they had been intended for use as part of a fraud? Did someone mention possible Hollywood connections to Silas Newton here at one point?

    By Blogger Tristan Eldritch, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • If we go by the prevailing premise that Bernerd Ray had opportunity and means of photoing dead "aliens" after either stumbling across the operation, or invited to render a professional opinion concerning species origin, there are absurdities to both versions.

    1. The alien photos (Dew, Carey, Schmitt) show something in a glass display case/container which would mean no photos taken at the scene of the crash...Roswell and/or Aztec.

    2. Ray was a geologist, not a biologist or forensic pathologist, so his input would have been professionally worthless.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • I'm not trying to lean one way or the other here, but there are a few strange coincidences that don't add up.

    Newton, the man behind Frank Scully's book, somehow hatched this story about a crashed saucer and little men (who just happen to fit the description of the Roswell aliens) had a legal connection to none other than Hilda Ray, and the wife of Bernerd Ray, who was a geologist working in the Roswell region during 1947. Hilda, who just happened to have these notorious slides in her possession.
    I doubt this was part of an elaborate scam.

    Tim-
    If we had a flying saucer, how would we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was truly from outer space? How would we know that it didn't come from a different dimension, or maybe they were time travelers, or maybe they came from deep within the earth....

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Rich it appears you are being called out for this court document on other blogs.
    I guess when the documents were found independently they found no legal link between Hilda Ray and Silas Newton.
    Are these documents possibly forged?

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Daniel:"I doubt this was part of an elaborate scam."

    It seems far more absurd to imagine that the Rays were allowed to view and take snaps of the most top secret discovery in human history, and then decided (over cocktails?)to share their story with an extremely shady character like Newton, who then decided to incorporate this totally true story into his own completely bogus oil gizmo scam. Again, my point is that IF (big if) Silas Newton is pertinent to the slides, then this would make the them far more questionable and suspicious, for the simple reason that Newton was a MAJOR CONMAN WHO SOLD PEOPLE LEMONS UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT THEY WERE ET HIGH TECHNOLOGY! Surely only in the realm of ufology would a connection with a convicted con-man be seen as lending greater credibility to something.

    By Blogger Tristan Eldritch, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • Good point Tristan.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Monday, March 16, 2015  

  • "Tristan Eldritch said...

    While I enjoy speculations about underground cryptoterrestrials as much (possibly more)than the next person..."

    Yo Tristan!
    Knock yourself out!:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_Man


    HA!

    By Blogger G. Shumway, at Wednesday, March 18, 2015  

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