UFO Conjecture(s)

Monday, April 20, 2015

Jose Caravaca provides more slides news

Maussan insists that in USA medical, geneticist, etc have not examined the slides.

[I think] Anthony Bragalia said that US experts had seen the slides ... Maussan says no

The humanoid does not have elbows or wrists or nipples and has 7 ribs,

Mexican journalist says it's not a mammal (!)




  • I had access to this earlier this morning, compliments to Jose. I sent this comment to him concerning the video:

    Jose, my apologies, my Spanish is quiet poor so the Nexium ad prior to the video made more sense to me:)

    I see no way that a visual observation from a slide could ascertain the exact number of ribs minus radiological studies, which we know is impossible in this case. The same can be said of the "lack of wrist" for what ever that means and in what context. The lack of nipples may be, if image of a mummy, due to tissue decomposition/degradation.

    Oddly, Maussan is describing something that was manufactured or fabricated such as a prop. "Not a mammal" is certainly a very broad statement...as compared to what?

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Oh, I assure you that there will indeed be commentary from scientists -including a preeminent anthropologist- on May 5th...

    This bit of news just confirmed by my associate Tom Carey.

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • "The humanoid does not have ...wrists or nipples"

    ...and so then following we see AJB applauding the 'fact' that Terra is being invaded by limp-wristed metrosexual space aliens???

    great, just great...

    By Blogger Loki, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tony, you said "This bit of news just confirmed by my associate Tom Carey."

    Prior to this you did not know that there would be commentary from "scientist" and an anthropologist? I would have thought that you would have known from the start...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tim-

    I do not like your trick questions (like the one you posted about when the photos were taken) and I do not like your insinuation that it is new to me that scientists will be involved.

    I mentioned the involvement of scientists many, many months ago and in fact was instrumental in the search. Tom gave me the names of those who have agreed to actually be live at the presentation, that is what I meant.

    I don't like your games, find another player.

    At one time I actually thought that you were intelligent and had something of substance to contribute...but you are not and you do not.

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tony -

    Just for the sake of this question let's imagine the subject in the slides was actually proven to be an alien from another world. However, it was found not to be from the Roswell incident. Would you be disappointed?

    Also do you think the powers that be, in the face of civilians having proof of aliens, would be forced to disclose? Could a legal case for disclosure be brought against the government?

    By Blogger Stephen Jackson, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Stephen-

    I am not aware of any other crash but Roswell that has the enormity of evidence than that one does. And the being depicted in the slides matches the description given by witnesses to the Roswell bodies.

    And unfortunately, nothing will 'force the government' to do anything re Roswell.

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tony,

    My questions are for clarification purposes. Read your original comment, it gives the impression that you "just" received information versus that of being in the know from the start.

    You'll be asked much harder questions after May 5th.

    Personally, when it comes to UFOs/ET/Roswell I simply don't give a good god damn what people think of me...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tony,

    As far as I can see, the alien in the slides doesn't match '..the description given by witnesses to the Roswell bodies...' any more than other descriptions of aliens from other alleged crash retrievals.

    I've recently gone through Leonard Stringfield's 'Status Report III' (published June 1982), making notes. Various characteristics in different cases seem similar to what is seen on the slide that's on-line.

    For example, there are three cases stating alien/s had 4 fingers.

    Don't think any of the cases specify 5 fingers. One says 3.

    There could well be other cases published in later Status Reports by Leonard Stringfield specifying 4 fingers (I've not gone through the other ones I have to look).

    Witnesses that Leonard Stringfield spoke with seem every bit as serious as 'Roswell' witnesses. Did the ones stating 4 fingers just make a lucky guess that coincidentally happens to match the descriptions of others?

    Did Mr.Stringfield's publications of witnesses to 4-fingered aliens from other ufo crashes pre-date witness statements about 4-fingered aliens allegedly crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, 1947?

    By Blogger Daniel Transit, at Monday, April 20, 2015  

  • Tony -

    There is a known incident that happened only 6 years prior at Cape Giradeau which is a reported ufo crash with multiple bodies. There also seems to have been a lot of civilians on site ie photographers, fire dept and a priest.

    The date falls in line with the slides date code. Was this event rules out?

    By Blogger Stephen Jackson, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Stephen:

    "Could a legal case for disclosure be brought against the government?"

    Interesting idea, but hasn't this been tried before? (CAUS in the 80s)

    Also, how can something which is unknown to science be the subject of a court case? How would a judge force the US government to 'disclose' something that officially is non-existent?


    It will indeed be interesting to see whether the "renowned scientists" or the "pre-eminent anthropologist" (as referred to by AJB) will be present at Mexico City. I have no doubt there will be some back-up speakers or others on hand to answer questions, but whether they are truly 'renowned' or 'pre-eminent' remains to be seen.

    One thing I do know - here in the UK we shall be far, far more concerned with political and election matters than with anything so trivial as two 68 year-old slides of unknown origin.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Stephen/Daniel-

    Though I am well aware of claims of other UFO crashes, there is only one that carries with it the credibility of Roswell. I just find it difficult to accept that so many UFOs fell from the skies like swatted flies. And again, the edge-code dating, combined with the other data points mentioned, leaves 1947 as the year of focus for the slides. I cannot with absolute certainty say that no other such crash has ever happened, only that no other crash has the sheer amount of witness testimony and other evidence as does Roswell.

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Anthony - Has any other crash had the sheer amount of 'smoking gun' witnesses who were later found to not withstand years of investigation?
    Has any other crash produced multiple guided tours of differing supposed crash sites? (Some based on the testimony of afore-mentioned discredited witnesses.)
    The questions may sound sarcastic, but I'm actually curious.


    By Blogger Woody, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Woody-

    You may be surprised: I agree with you.

    Google (in quotes) "The Roswell Liars"

    I covered this very topic back in 2008. Would be curious what you think after reading it...

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Cda -

    If the body in the slides is proven to show an alien being, retrieved from a crashed craft from another world, surely it has massive implications that can be legally pursued?

    Without getting long winded but it would involve lies, cover ups, wasted public money etc

    By Blogger Stephen Jackson, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Stephen:

    "If the body in the slides....."

    There is a simple answer to this. There is absolutely no way, none whatever, that the body in the slides can be proven to be an alien being retrieved from a craft from another world. Period.

    To have the smallest chance of proving this you would undoubtedly need the ACTUAL BODY, not a photo thereof.

    And even then it would be a long process, involving many scientists of different disciplines and an awful lot of lab work and analysis, before such a conclusion was reached.

    So you can forget your "If the body, etc..."

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Cda -

    I agree. I have said the very same thing myself in previous comments. That's why I said "if" for the sake of argument

    By Blogger Stephen Jackson, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • The story told to Walter Bosley by his father was probably only an early hypothesis proposed by the guys in charge of studying the bodies and debris, who must have been desperately looking for answers to the strange bodies found at Roswell.

    The theory of an ancient, underground, non-human civilization seems to me like a fantasy of a teenager (Sorry Nick).

    The good part of this is that we have clues coming from various testimonies about creatures that resemble insects. That is a consistent trend, which has the smell of reality.

    By Blogger Don Maor, at Tuesday, April 21, 2015  

  • Anthony - I read your piece on 'Roswell Liars' and enjoyed it, as you described not only lies, but the human habits that often lay behind them.
    Sceptics, at least those like me, have absorbed a lot of information and shown data about the human penchant of belief, sometimes hype or money or fame or a number of other factors that lead to belief (whether or not they know they are lying) that is backed by 'witnesses', and without further investigation, believed by so many more.
    The study of humanity and our thought processes, dangerous delusions and fallacies that plague us, these things are a solid, real, shown, doubtless base upon which we begin seeing the subjects which are based mostly on belief.
    I imagine, and after writing that bit, believe that this can easily be seen as a detriment to the sceptical process. But no, it's not just shown knowledge of all of our psychological frailty that leads sceptics to their state. It's our view on believability, how we may reach our conclusions and what we see to be 'good evidence'.
    I don't know you and you don't know me. To me Anthony Bragalia is one of the names I often encounter on this blog, as well and KRandle's, 'Bad UFOs' and such-like. I hear little support for your words from these folks.
    But I like this exchange between us because we place something in discussion, we may not only read each other's thoughts, we may even learn a thing or two from each other.
    Although rarely ever addressing David Rudiak (our positions of belief seem so different), in all of the comment sections on these blogs, I feel that I have learned from him. He may even have learned from me.
    I've laid known scathing, distinct sceptical comments in the past, often in response to a pithy, fickle post or a proudly stated pile of shit from a believer, but I get so much more out of an honest, unassuming exchange with other comment-makers regardless of how different our general views on the posted subject may be.
    I half expected a KRandle-like description of particular Roswell Liars, but instead got a look at a seemingly normal human frailty instead, thanks Anthony.

    All the best,

    By Blogger Woody, at Thursday, April 23, 2015  

  • Woody-

    Thank you for the kind comments, they are appreciated. Mr. Reynolds has re-posted the "Roswell Liars" in his latest post.


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, April 23, 2015  

  • > I do not like your trick questions

    Tony, Tim asks a reasonable question. For months you have boasted that scientists were giving opinions on the figure in the slides, yet Maussan is contradicting you.

    It's not the first time.

    A while back, I pointed out that Adam Dew had said on television that he was looking for experts to give opinions on the figure, though you had already said that the experts were on board.

    So far, you have not explained these discrepancies.

    Your evasions don't prove or disprove anything about the validity of slides. But understand that we have no reason whatsoever to believe anything you say about them.

    We do not like your trick answers.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Thursday, April 23, 2015  

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