UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, May 06, 2015

Note the male hand in this photo....

This is a photo supplied to Mr. Noory's Coast-to-Coast site by Richard Dolan:


In the discussion(s) about the slides and who took them, much has been said about the skirt indicating a woman at the body-site.

But that's a man's hand in the photo, a reflection superimposed upon the woman's torso shot.

There are still mysteries to be examined in the Kodachrome slides it seems, nothing Roswellian perhaps but niggling oddities that gnaw at the curious.



  • Huh???

    I'm not seeing it, Rich.

    It looks to me like a 3/4 length coat sleeve over a white, full length shirt/blouse. According to my memory, much more likely to be a feminine than a masculine stylistic feature.

    But maybe I'm not seeing what you're referring to....

    By Blogger Larry, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • 2397 specimen i"m"ho. Wait a little, Rich :)

    By Blogger Gilles Fernandez, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • > that's a man's hand in the photo

    I don't think that's warranted.

    What is striking is how tiny the body is. It's closer to the camera yet the woman on the far side of the display is relatively huge.

    I think this indicates the body is of a child, which would easily account for the head/body ratio.

    But I am not an expert! Can't wait to read a transcript from the (allegedly) scientific portion of the show.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • What makes that a male hand? Just curious what makes you think that it is. I'm not saying one way or the other. It is possibly a male hand, it does look masculine, however I don't know that it would eliminate that it belongs to a woman.
    I'm interested in the chest. I'm not any kind of expert in these matters but it does not look dissected. It's looked as though this being was starved to death, or that it is a mummy by natural means- such as a tar pit, or drying, etc. the face does stand out as different. And the ratio of arms to legs is severely out of place compared to human anatomy. Very interesting.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • At the risk of seeming insensitive, isn't this a living, non-desiccated, version of the crudely animated "money shot" shown at the finale of the Be Witness/Roswell Slides hustle?


    P.T. Barnum could have done a much better produced version of that humbug and at least used a live "alien", whom he would have paid extremely well.

    By Blogger James Mitchell, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Larry and Terry...

    If you have access to the Noory (Coast-to-Coast) image provided by Rich Dolan -- a larger image than my grab here -- you can see the man's gray suit, superimposed over the purple dress....a reflection from the other side of the display?

    It's a man's hand, not a feminine hand.

    And who is it?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Now that there's a much clearer image to look at it seems pretty clear this is just a human body. There seems to be wisps of hair on top of the cranium and objects adjacent to the body which look like they are made of natural material.
    Very disappointing.

    By Blogger Spark, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • What I find funny is that you're obsessing over the "male hand" -- while completely missing the rest of the context of the photo! It's clearly taken in a museum or a display. You can see the objects are on glass shelves, and you can see back of another cardboard standee facing the other direction, in front of what could be a mummified (or "shrunken") monkey head. None of the objects are being carefully displayed or show any attempt at conservation, so I'd guess a small, private museum, or a "freak show" museum, along the lines of a Ripley's Believe It or Not! museum, but not as good. It certainly isn't the military (or anyone else) showing off a one-of-a-kind artifact.

    By Blogger Scott Hamilton, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Several South American cultures practiced ritual sacrifice of children which may account for the severing of the head due to death being caused by a violent severing of the neck. Notice the object adjacent to the head which may be statuary and yet to be cleaned. The Aztec statutory rested in a similar manner , mythological heads of gods, or creatures...seated heads if you will. Look closely at the base of this possible statuary in the enlarged image and it looks like what might be teeth ….uniform and closely spaced indentations running horizontally. There is clearly lettering ( an O ) between both objects behind them. Why is this lettering visible when the nearest placards lettering has vanished? Has this been photoshopped to remove the information providing it’s context?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • A hand, grasping at straws.

    By Blogger Ricky Poole, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Scott:

    People who've followed my input here know I'm interested in the people who alledgedly took the photo (s).

    The body isn't a big deal for me, as it is for you and others.

    It is odd, yes, maybe even alien, but I'm not in the caravan to prove it is an extraterrestrial or mummy.

    Maybe that's missing the import but I will leave the identification of the body to those better equipped to tell us what it may be.

    The photogs are grist for another scenario I've been promoting.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Bruce:

    The placard was supposed to be a clincher, confirming an ET explanation but it was ignored.

    I don't know why.

    Maybe Tony Bragalia will enlighten us.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Ricky:

    Hahaha. Maybe so.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • What's that hairy thing behind the head? Another thing on display? Makes me think of a display of curiosities, not some super-secret facility for dead ET storage.

    And nothing mentioned in the presentations on the placard?

    Time to move on and not look back, methinks...

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • I believe I have found the likely explanation for RR's obsessive focus on the 'Man Hand':


    By Blogger Loki, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Loki...

    You have no shame, still touting old (ingenious) Seinfeld shows.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • As for that odd looking hairy head that also has its own placard, I think it's likely something like this (see link below). It deals with a museum exhibit of mummies, shrunken heads, and trophy scalps.

    Now we have the high-res, I can easily see how - and why - this odd, hairy head sits right behind the mummified child - it's a display not unlike the one in the link:


    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Some of us think the hairy thing may be an animal head ( I suggested a wolf). In my interpretation the head is positioned facing away towards the other side of the case so that folks in that side could see it, Towards the bottom of the artifact you can see what seem to be the wolf's teeth,

    This could all be wrong, it is just an impression.

    You can also clearly see another placard facing that way.

    How dumb would someone have to be to not recognize that this is in a museum or something like that?


    By Blogger Lance, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • The display seems antithetical to a lab display for an alleged alien from elsewhere, Lance, as you note.

    And the display is old not immediate (relatively) to the July 1947 Roswell incident.

    It would have to be a display of a Roswell ET crash long after such an event, which belies the slide dating.

    Stuff doesn't add up and the presentation presented as many (or more) questions than it answered.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Lance:

    I agree. I cannot understand - at all - why the DT didn't make the connection that there is a hairy head behind it (whether old trophy head, wolf, or something else), with a placard - ALL of which suggests some kind of museum or display of oddities. The high-res image makes that very clear.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • > you can see the man's gray suit, superimposed over the purple dress

    Not at all.

    Anyway, why is the C2C image so fuzzy conpared to the crystal clear non-mummy slides?

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Rich:

    I wasn't aware of the hand in the background until you pointed it out. There are a number of characteristics of whoever that is in the photo that have been commented on, in the past. For example the individual appears to be a short and stocky woman (based on the dress). This would be consistent with your interpretation that the hand is that of a man. In addition to the 3/4 length coat/tunic sleeve over the full length white shirt/blouse sleeve, we can also see a single button holding the coat/tunic closed. The tunic/coat and skirt seem to be made of the same, rather coarse woolen material.

    When I put that entire picture together, the answer I come up with is an Andean woman (traditionally short and squat) in traditional Andean clothing.

    If I had time, I could probably go dig out a photo off the internet......

    By Blogger Larry, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Well, fellows, that hand and posture intrgues me, but the fuzzy-headed thing abutting the "alien" that Nick Redfern pointed out is even more intriguing, is it not?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Although I (thankfully) haven't and won't study these in much detail, I note that the white strip with apparent holes running horizontally on the left behind the 'entity' looks to me like one of those pre-fab mounts that shelves are commonly hung on/affixed to. I'm not sure when they became common, nut my inclination is much later than the 1940s

    By Blogger Timothy Brigham, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Rich, it kind of looks like a wolf head, angled to the side, with muzzle, eye, and hair, and teeth at the bottom of the muzzle. I'm absolutely baffled as to why this is not being discussed to any major degree. To me, it's a perfect pointer to the idea this is a display of curios and oddities.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • On Twitter, even MUFON panned the "reveal."

    "This photo is apparently what all the hype was about. I'm no expert but it appears to be a human child mummy."


    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • That's no wolf's head. It's clearly Bigfoot. Two mysteries solved with one snapshot!

    By Blogger Dominick, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • Paul Kimball told me I could post his response to my question about his opinion of the 'event':

    "From a media presentation POV, which is my area of expertise, the event
    was a disaster. Maybe it played well in Mexico - not a market I know very
    well - but in North America and Europe it would be seen as glacial,
    clumsy, and repetitive. In other words, deadly dull.

    In terms of evidence, there was none of any worth. This would be thrown
    out of a court of law, much less science. Anyone associated with this
    fiasco, which I believe is a Santilli-like money-making scam, should be
    ashamed. Even for ufology, this was a new low.

    They didn't prove Roswell. They killed it for anyone other than the fringe
    of the fringe, even as the promoters probably cashed in one final time.


    By Blogger Loki, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • "How dumb would someone have to be to not recognize that this is in a museum or something like that?"

    Or as I've asked several times, What entirely predisposed doofus first looked at the slides and thought, "Hey, that mummy looks like a space alien!"

    Then, "How can I make some money out of it?"

    It really doesn't matter whether the two "found object" mummy slides are truly part of a larger late-forties collection,

    had any connection to the Rays at all or were made by others,

    were "found" elsewhere and placed into the collection and the entire Ray story manufactured for this "slides" silliness,

    or are modern exposures placed in vintage Kodachrome frames for the same

    because they're obviously only images of a mummified child!

    There's no story here, never was! This "slides" baloney was blatantly obvious and as dumb as a box of rocks from the get-go. It's merely the old "mundane object forced into an extraordinary context" sideshow device:

    A picture of an aborted whale fetus is presented as a "mermaid;" a picture of a hub cap tossed in the air is presented as a "flying saucer;" and a NASA picture of shadows on a mesa is presented as a monumental human "face" indicating the presence of a lost civilization on Mars!

    This "slides" nonsense is the very same ignorant trash posing as a discovery. But it's nothing even interesting in the least, nothing "UFO" myth related, and certainly nothing to do with hypothetical ET life!

    Nothing extraordinary crashed at Roswell or anywhere else, certainly nothing otherworldly, so it's all but impossible for anyone to possess images of a space alien.

    And once we saw how obviously ordinary the very earthly body in the leaked slide was, what else was there to even consider?

    An utterly predictable and predicted non-event.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • I'm reasonably certain the United States Government wouldn't house one of the most important discoveries in human history within the equivalent of a repurposed glass retail display counter.
    Were there any reports of outrage being voiced from the rubes in attendance who got hooked into this snore-fest?
    I own a Feejee Mermaid that could have been passed off better than what is obviously a mummified person suffering from severe birth defects.

    By Blogger James Mitchell, at Wednesday, May 06, 2015  

  • My impression of the woman in the background is that of a nun or sister of some religious order in her modest travel habit. I haven't been able to find a specific reference to the short sleeves and white cuffs, but it still strikes me as a uniform. So where would a wolf's head and nun be hanging out back then? :)

    By Blogger Ron, at Thursday, May 07, 2015  

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