UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, July 30, 2015

When you’re gone, you’re gone….

Reading various book review periodicals, often noted here, I find it surprising how many talented human beings have died, unappreciated and often unremembered.

In ufological circles, who is remembered and who will be remembered when their time here is up, when they have passed on to that great, blank void?

The UFO notables have and will to continue to have a remembered legacy:  Arnold, Keyhoe, Adamski, the Hills, Keel, Moseley, the Lorenzens (perhaps), Ruppelt, Friedman (for a while), Vallee, and others who have nicked a spot in the history of flying saucers, and UFOs.

Some contactees and those who’ve created a sighting/event sensation (Fry, Angelucci, Zamora, the Pascagoula fellows, Walton, the Rendlesham guys, et al).

That is, a few UFO notables, witnesses and participants in significant UFO events, will have notations or footnotes in the future arcane archives but they, too, will go the way of unrecalled memory.

Some have already become invisible in the UFO existence: Richard Hall, my friend Bruce Duensing (despite his ongoing obit at Paul Kimball’s blog), Mac Tonnies, and the still living Bruce Errol-Knapp, once a presence because of UFO UpDates but now relegated to an obscure Facebook page.

You can name a few, of course.

But what about us UFO peons?

We bloggers will find our meager “legacies” – our blogs – passing on with little or no notice, and our efforts destined to be turned into digital dust.

The persons who comment only will disappear even faster and more thoroughly, their missives, irrelevant and banal now, will be ignored or overrun by other comments, until all are submersed by time and commentary that infuses the cobwebbed corner of the UFO rooms that will exist in musty corners of the internet by hangers-on who think ufology is worthy of an extant existence.

But that’s just an insanity which will persist by the efforts of a pathological few.

I can think of no one in the UFO community, besides Nick Redfern, maybe Kevin Randle, and a few others because they’ve written books (their books gone too in the not too distant future, unless replaced by digitization) who will remain noteworthy for any long period of time, most already gone from UFO consciousness, some already a depleted memory.

Splashing commentary all over the UFO-based internet, and creating blog posts, like this, provides no legacy whatsoever, the content feeble and meaningless in the great scheme of society’s cultural output.

So, you can keep wasting your time, as I do, but know that it’s all quite futile and pointless….really.

RR

11 Comments:

  • Jeez Rich, such a downer.

    I mean if you really want to look at thing alike that, you could make an argument that nothing matters.
    There is no point to life as we know it. And who cares if you are remembered by future generations of tech dependent hipsters who probably care more about their physical appearances than if the universe is devoid of life.
    Is our sole purpose in life to create some legacy for future generations to cherish and continue? Or is our purpose discovery? To learn as much as possible in this life before moving on to the next. I believe in the latter. I'm here to do my best to learn and discover.

    Anyhow, maybe 50 years down the road aliens will make their presence known to the entire planet and will tell us that they have been visiting for 1000s of years. And that Roswell happened, etc.
    Maybe then our (digital) history books will make note of the few that were right to begin with. The investigators, writers, and maybe even bloggers that were saying along- UFOs need serious inquiry.

    Besides I think most people involved in UFOs are doing it because they find it personally interesting, not for notoriety.

    Just my thoughts. More like ramblings.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Thursday, July 30, 2015  

  • My morbidity, this day, Daniel stems from the dearth of thought and activity on the web re: UFOs -- real thought and activity.

    Even Kevin Randle, who has a raft of readers, can't generate any semblance of intellectual comments or rebuttals.

    The effort to be heard that UFO enthusiasts wish reminds me, as I've often written before, of the message provided by the great American composer, Charles Ives, in his little masterpiece "The Unanswered Question."

    Look for the precis (or explanation) of that short piece.

    I'm reading a piece in TLS about a writer/artist (Silvina Ocampo) -- one of many in each issue actually -- who has been passed over by cognoscenti, even after writing works that are more than worthy to be read by those who need cultural and literary insight(s).

    If she is overlooked, how much more so the dregs of ufology -- me, among them?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, July 30, 2015  

  • I haven't read any of the literary works of Silvina. To be honest it's the first time I've heard the name. However just reading about her on Wikipedia, she sounds like she lead an interesting life.
    I often wonder as an artist, how many amazing artists out there go completely unrecognized for their talents and abilities. It does sadden me to think about talents squandered away or never fully realized. So maybe I myself am a little recognition driven.
    I hate the feeling of being overlooked when it comes to my art. I've recently been trying to get an animation studio job. It's extremely difficult to get noticed, even more so to be remembered.
    I feel your pain Rich. However, I can't stop doing what I do, and I have a hunch you can't either.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Thursday, July 30, 2015  

  • Like you Daniel, and CDA, I'm addicted to the flying saucer thing, but I recognize it as an addiction.

    I think alcohol would be better.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, July 30, 2015  

  • Alcohol? What on earth is that? C2H5OH maybe?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • Dan says, "maybe 50 years down the road aliens will make their presence known to the entire planet and will tell us that they have been visiting for 1000s of years...."

    ET may arrive tomorrow, but so far there's not one shred of veracious evidence they even exist, much less are visiting in secret or exist as a hidden physical or supernatural presence for millennia. (That's the Shaver mystery again, Jerry, and countless other science-fictions. Geesh!)

    And if they do arrive tomorrow, they'll say, "Saucers, "UFOs," Roswell, what are you talking about? We live on the lam and detected your signals only recently."

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • I like Kevin Randle. He's smart, talented, generous, friendly, accomplished, well-spoken. I caught a bit of him on C2C recently and he sounded better than ever. And if milking the Roswell cow--besides the amazing reams of action and adventure books he's written--has provided a solid second career for him, then more power to him.

    "Even Kevin Randle, who has a raft of readers, can't generate any semblance of intellectual comments or rebuttals."

    Because, except for the hard-core skeptics whose comments are like pearls of wisdom and hilarity wasted on saucer-worshipping Believers, they're all irrational. They consciously ignore the obvious facts of the world and endlessly appeal to make-it-up, what ifs, pronouncement, and phony analogies inside of flying-saucer fantasyland.

    And this moving mob of old-time ETHers, secret-technology conspiracists, and hostile and insulting know-it-all noobs have the audacity to pretend that their half-baked opinions on the subject are worthy of consideration and that they debate on equally sound ground as those who live outside of flying-saucer fantasyland.

    They Don't!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • I agree Zoam...

    The comments at Kevin's blog have been co-opted by the most insipid, banal group of "know-it-all noobs" as you cite.

    For me, they're as dead as any corpse; they just know enough to lie down.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • zoamchomsky said...'..And this moving mob of old-time ETHers, secret-technology conspiracists, and hostile and insulting know-it-all noobs have the audacity to pretend that their half-baked opinions on the subject are worthy of consideration and that they debate on equally sound ground as those who live outside of flying-saucer fantasyland...'

    They are no more a 'mob' than you and your friends. Your use of the word is, itself, 'hostile and insulting'.

    They come across as no more 'know-it-all' than you do.

    They don't seem remarkably audacious to me, so the word 'audacity' strikes no chord.

    'Half-baked opinions' just like 99.9% of the human race.

    'Worthy of consideration' - if you think NOT, THEN IGNORE THEM AND DO SOMETHING ELSE.

    Everyone outside of 'flying-saucer fantasyland' is somehow OK... by comparison to anyone with a positive interest in UFOs (often due to personal experiences that you are sadly lacking).

    Of course, you are not on 'equally sound ground' to me, as you have not seen and video-recorded these things.

    Duh!

    By Blogger Daniel Transit, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • Daniel:

    I'm in tune with Zoam on this, somewhat.

    Looking at the puerile commentary at Kevin's blog (and many others), sometimes here also (mostly from me), the conversation (dialogue) is simplistic and almost pathological.

    It's distressing that the topic attracts persons of low intellectual abilities.

    These are not unintelligent human beings, just not intellectual.

    It's got to be frustrating to Zoam, as it is to others who've stopped commenting all over the place.

    UFOs as a topic worthy of an academic approach has really lost it, the absolute stupidity of the May 5th Roswell slides fiasco and its aftermath putting a nail, maybe the final nail, in the ufological coffin.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 31, 2015  

  • Thanks, Rich, and Daniel's post couldn't be better evidence of the sad situation. Daniel, as I've noted here before, is one of those strange cases who pretends the "UFO" subject is only for Believers. That's his pretense anyway, as if it's some sort of argument for the validity of his Believer position. It's a rather transparent, feeble fallacious appeal to his own authority merely by exclusion.

    I can imagine him saying, "I'm the only Believer in the village so shut up!" (g)

    Daniel, the Woo-Woo Credo is a guide for what not to do on the Internet, not to be emulated. You do understand that, right? Now, I've been more than generous to you on several occasions but will tell you frankly that your last post is simply loony.

    But forget that, we have another fallacious appeal to his own Believer authority in the form of boasting about seeing and videoing real "UFOs!" Let's see the videos so we can all see what Daniel Transit has most certainly misidentified as real "UFOs" and on which his phony appeal to his own authority rests. This should be very good.

    The videos, Daniel, let's see the videos! Otherwise, you're just one of the raving mob just as your loony post describes you. This should be very instructive for you.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Saturday, August 01, 2015  

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