UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, August 18, 2015

A sort of confirmation of an alleged Roswell incident

Lydia Sleppy, the telex secretary for Roswell affiliated station KOAT, in Albuquerque, created an affidavit in 1993 stating that while typing in a story from reporter Johnny McBoyle for ABC News in Hollywood, about a “flying saucer crashing north of Roswell” [the so-called Roswell incident] her send was interrupted by “THIS IS THE FBI. YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY CEASE ALL COMMUNICATION.”

Whether this Sleppy story is true or not has been heatedly debated by Roswell skeptics and aficionados for years now.

But, while reading a review [in TLS about the British artist John Craske, 7/24/15, Page 9] there was this…

A promoter of Craske, Valentine Ackland, while engaging in purchases of some Craske art, had this happen, reviewer Alexandra Harris reports:

“In 1941, a telegram from Ackland was intercepted by MI5 on the basis that it looked so odd it might be in code: ‘DARK STORM IS MY PROPERTY’, etc. Was it a communist plot? No just strong-willed Craske fans … [hoping to grab a piece of art before anyone else.”

This interception by the highly secret British agency, in 1941 (!), show that governments were monitoring messages (like the NSA does today) via various transmission methods, several years before the 1947 Roswell event.

Doesn’t it seem likely that the FBI was doing the same here, in the States, and Ms. Sleppy was recounting a real episode, a true government intrusion, in an area hot because of atomic bomb activity and possible Soviet spying?

Just an observation.



  • Rich, you are aware of course of Operation Shamrock? Shamrock was a government snooping operation put in place during WW2 to moniter private electronic communication. It was done with the willing cooperation of U.S. telecommunications companies such as AT&T, ITT, RCA, and Western Union...and was super secret. It (allegedly) was abandoned in 1975. In reality, of course, it was continued and expanded by the NSA.

    So is it possible that sensitive communications in and around Roswell were being monitered in 1947? Entirely possible, even likely.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • Thank you Dominick:

    Some UFO types continue to discount Ms. Sleppy's rendition of what she experienced.

    Your information allows, along with my snippet, the real possibility that her telex was interrupted.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • Can you supply a link for the full account?



    By Blogger Lance, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • For the Craske intrusion, Lance?

    All I have for that is the reviewer's comment.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • Rich -

    I covered some of this a while back. It might answer some of the questions, and if you wish to wade through the comments which eventually devolve into the same old tired arguments, you can find it here:


    By Blogger KRandle, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • Thanks, Kevin...

    I look forward to your material but know I'll have to fight my way through comments from the.....er, your readers.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • Holy Cheese...

    I just plowed through the comments to your rational, reserved posting Kevin and was smothered by minutiae and the usual byways your readers like to take the rest of us into.

    Yes, for me, there is the possibility that Ms. Sleppy was, indeed, interrupted by an FBI intrusion, something also hinted in WGN's "Manhattan" series last season.

    (I hope I haven't opened the floodgates here to more rambling Roswell detritus with my little Roswell aside.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 18, 2015  

  • "I hope I haven't opened the floodgates here to more rambling Roswell detritus with my little Roswell aside."

    You have indeed opened the floodgates, but to spare you a truly gigantic flood I am going to try desperately to close the gates again, to spare you from the terrible disaster that awaits you.

    I warn you, however, that should I fail to close these gates, the unimaginable might happen....

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 19, 2015  

  • CDA:

    I don't expect a raft of comments. Readers here know that I'm not as nice or lenient as Kevin is; that is, goofy, off-topic comments, aside from yours, are trashed before they see the light of the internet.

    Kevin is tolerant of psychopaths. I'm not.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 19, 2015  

  • Considering that Roswell was the home of the Mighty 509th Bomb Wing (my Alma Mater), monitoring of any reporting considered questionable for any reason would make sense. Nuclear hardball was and is that kind of game.

    In terms of legality things were way different then and J.Edger would and could do anything he wanted and he probably would, in this case, think that such monitoring was the right thing to do.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Wednesday, August 19, 2015  

  • I'm not sure Rich, I think Zoam may fall into that psychopath category. Doesn't he enjoy seeing UFO types writhing in pain?

    This is a great post by the way. I think it does lend some credence to Sleppy's account. I never wrote that account off. Her story has remained the same and it wasn't like she was asking a fantastical claim about seeing alien bodies or anything.

    I'd love to see more examples of governments monitoring communications prior to 1947.

    By Blogger Daniel Hurd, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • It tells me, Daniel, that something odd was happening near Roswell that July [1947] and no one can get a handle on what that something was.

    Archaeologists can find traces of Troy or Jesus' alleged tomb but ufologists can't nail down what the hell that Haut release was referring to, specifically, or why all the hub-bub in Roswell was taking place for a few days.

    Yes, a mythos has sprung up but that should allow grist for further examination or investigation.

    I was just reading about the Greek myth of Dionysos [in TLS of course] and mythologists seem to have discovered the roots of the tale about that new (at the time) and foreign god, and how the legend impacted the people and culture.

    Nothing quite so deliberate has occurred with Roswell, probably because an ET bias has overtaken what happened there, for a few days.

    In the Sleppy incident, if the FBI was monitoring broadcasts, phones calls, and other transmissions, why would they tell her to stop sending a telex about a flying disk, found in the area, unless there was a disk (or something thought to be a disk) actually found in the area?

    Flying disks were such a new phenomenon -- or were they? -- how would the FBI zero in on a telex about one, unless it had already be alerted to the things, and found them strange or foreign [from the Soviets they thought?)??

    It's just odd that, with all the digging into the minutiae of Roswell by the UFO crowd, nothing of substance has been uncovered or discovered, that gets us to a denouement.

    (Sorry for the bombast. That's what happens when I wake up and have a coffee right off the bat.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • The "hub-bub" you talk about is fictitious. There was no such hub-bub at the time, just a fairly normal daily routine. The hub-bub is entirely an invention of 1980 when the first book came out. Naturally the hub-bub got worse the more the story was told and retold. Perhaps a slight deviation, shall we say, from a normal day in the town but certainly no hub-bub.

    And if you look at the first account of the Sleppy teletype interrupt, in SAGA magazine, there is no mention of the FBI at all. This was added later (surprise, surprise) by Berlitz, Moore and Friedman in THE ROSWELL INCIDENT, and the tale progressed from there.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • Here we go....

    CDA, there was a relatively minor incident in Judea that turned into a massive movement: Christianity.

    The minor incident was a hub-bub of a kind, in a limited area.

    That's the same as the Roswell thing -- the newspaper story, the Brazel foray into town, the Sleppy telex matter (minus the FBI, if you want), et cetera.

    Something rile the small town and its population in 1947, then the lull.

    That's what seems to have happened in the Jesus tale, until Paul came along and caused a stir with his insane talk.

    You can blame Friedman for doing the same with Roswell, and you'd be right.

    But something did happen in Roswell in 1947, something out of the ordinary.

    What that was is yet to be determined.

    A mythos can't derive or arrive from nothing, ex nihilo.

    There has to be a core event, small or large.

    Friedman had nothing to do with that core event, only exacerbated it, like Paul did with the Jesus incident.

    Something happened in Roswell in July 1947, and no one knows what exactly, not Rudiak, not Friedman, not Randle, no one.

    That's my rub.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • RR

    Are we really going back to Roswell again? Over a maybe this or a maybe that that maybe took place 68 years ago that is awash, hell drowning, in misinformation and book selling hype?

    There is a quite interesting UAP video going around that appears legit that happened just 2 years ago -reportedly- by Homeland Security but no significant discussion"


    Let's move on here and let those other blogs drone on as they may about the great fish story of way back when.

    There are new fish to catch and fry.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • Bryan:

    If you had been paying attention, you'd see that I placed the Homeland video online here a few days ago.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • Ha! Guilty as charged but more of a senior moment saw it but was then on the go all that day.

    I do recall now thinking that the balloon and drone explanations didn't make it, way too slow. The technology of the airborne thermal imaging was certainly impressive.

    I'll persist a bit though as I, like you have in the past, tire of the very old and repetitive and look with interest to the new, like the above and the ball lightening discussions that allow current perspectives and stimulating conjecture.

    Excelsior! -and no retreat.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • Bryan:

    I. more than most, post a lot of non-Roswell (or even UFO) stuff.

    I think I should be able to indulge myself and a few Roswellians now and then without opprobrium from PurrlGurll or one of my regulars (you).


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • The Soviets were surely trying to acquire all the nuclear secrets they could in 1947. (They detonated their device in 1949.) I don't buy the vast extent of James Carrion's Rosetta Deception theory, but I do agree with his difficulty in believing that the 509th CO, Col. Blanchard, would issue world publicity for (supposed) materials thought to have a non-earthly origin, which would (supposedly) be of immense national security value. I think it is reasonable that the debris field was planted by US intel in an operation known by a few higher ups, together with Ramey and Blanchard. Surely the Soviets monitored as many sources as they could and that probably means the wire services. If they saw an FBI message break into a message about a recovered flying saucer, they probably would conclude something had happened that would require assigning intel assets to investigate. That would divert them from nuclear sniffing, and it might ultimately lead to US intel finding a key topic by which to break Soviet codes. Maybe... Unless someone can convince me that Blanchard's order for publicity of a captured disc was completely routine and expected.

    By Blogger חנוך בן קשת, at Thursday, August 20, 2015  

  • I find it odd that the FBI would tell Sleppy to cease transmission when the newspapers printed the original Haut disc story anyway. They clearly didn't intervene in those press releases or the many others printed initially that also quoted the AP news releases.

    Besides, if the FBI memo stating that Hoover and crew were miffed that the Army was hiding something from them, why convey to one person that you want the story stuffed when in fact a release would have perhaps gotten them more info than what they claim the Army wasn't giving them in the first place?

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Friday, August 21, 2015  

  • What a bizarre thing to say, Daniel. Rich obviously doesn't think any such thing and has generously said so on several occasions. Have I been unkind to you ever?

    Present evidence that I take enjoyment in the pain of others. Or were you reading minds by remote yesterday? And mistakenly viewing some target other than me! (g)

    I derive no pleasure from the confusion and distress caused by irrational others' false beliefs about the world, whether they're naïve wild-eyed cosmic conspiracy-loving kids or tired hard-core ETHers. The victims of the "UFO" myth suffer under the spell of their delusion, and that is its own punishment. Scientific realist skeptics question and explode all myths and popular delusions, expose their falsity and irrationality with facts and reason, and offer real-world solutions to reports and the antidote to the entire delusion: the Null and Psychosocial hypotheses.

    With the publication of David Clarke's new book, it's time for all who haven't to realize that the PSH and "UFOs" as a curiosity of popular-culture history is the only future this subject has.

    ufoology is history, make the myth history as well.


    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, August 21, 2015  

  • Even assuming that someone was intercepting Sleppy telex, I doubt very much that the technology of the time would allow them, anyone, to interrupt her outgoing telex with their own incoming. And for that matter, that they would bother! This imaginary Big Brother would more likely just cut her off without a word.

    Not that I think any of it at all happened. It sounds much more like typical "UFO" conspiracy baloney confabulated (at a "UFO" writer's suggestion) thirty years after the fact.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Friday, August 21, 2015  

  • @ Zoam

    I agree.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Friday, August 21, 2015  

  • Zoam:

    Interesting what you have to say about the FBI interrupting the Sleppy teletype. This very problem was dealt with by Kal K. Korff in his Roswell book, with the same conclusion as yours. As you say, why only her one teletype anyway? What about all the others sent that day?

    Slight problem is that Kal Korff is not, according to Kevin and some others, a reliable source.

    Yes it all adds to the big conspiracy roundabout. But then that is what Roswell is all about, isn't it?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, August 22, 2015  

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