UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, August 26, 2015

Flying Saucers Have Landed: A reference to plant pilots (a minor obsession of mine)

Desmond Leslie was a serious man. Why he hooked up with George Adamski poses a possibility for study, which I may tackle upcoming, as a look at the contents of the book pictured here, apart from the Adamski section [Part Two], is full of interesting flying saucer/UFO lore, ancient and modern up to 1957.

Meanwhile, as I traipsed through the book, which is eschewed by most UFO buffs because of the Adamski appellation, I came across this and wonder if any readers of this blog can tell me who the scientist was that is mentioned in this blurb, that I've highlighted with italics and bold font:

"In his book The Riddle of the Flying Saucers Gerald Heard refers to these objects as ‘Thinking Lights’, and puts forward similar suggestions. Other authors, believing that everything which flies must contain a pilot, have said they carry tiny beings six inches in height. Gerald Heard tried to convince us that they were propelled by intelligent insects from Mars. And one scientist, who should have known better, advanced a theory for small intelligent vegetables !"

RR

11 Comments:

  • “Everything is determined…by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust—we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.”

    —Albert Einstein --- Quoted in interview by G.S. Viereck , October 26,1929. Reprinted in “Glimpses of the Great”,1930.

    Probably not the correct answer, but I found the quote interesting all the same... Looks like Philo's 'Logos' to me...

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • No, it's not the answer or an answer Parakletos, just an off-topic aside.

    But I appreciate your "interest."

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • I vaguely recall this quote by Desmond Leslie. It may have been removed from the revised edition of the book, in 1970 (as was the Byland Abbey 'UFO' manuscript, which was concocted by two erudite schoolboys and swallowed by Leslie at the time). But I do not know who the 'vegetable' guy was, although from Leslie's description it sounds like someone who had some standing in the scientific fraternity.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • My friend Martin Kottmeyer provides the answer:

    March 14, 1950
    Los Angeles Times. "Professor's Idea - Saucer Pilots Could Be Smart Bugs or Plants." Dr. Gerald Kuiper, professor of astronomy at University of Chicago, speculated that any little Martian who steps out of a flying saucer would be either an intellectual insect or an even more incredible vegetable creature. This is because the atmosphere has no oxygen, only carbon dioxide, meaning that most life as we know it could not survive there except for plants or maybe forms of insect life (Frank Scully, Behind the Flying Saucers Henry Holt, 1950, p. 209.]

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • Leslie says that Dr Kuiper "should have known better". Indeed, and maybe Gerald Heard ditto (Heard had written a detective novel about intelligent bees a decade before his saucer book, under the name 'H.F.Heard').

    Leslie himself should also "have known better" than to associate himself with Adamski at all (he actually was staying with Adamski during 1954 when some of the latter's further contacts with Venusians were taking place, but was never invited to go along!). Another little matter is how Leslie was taken in by a clever 13-year old boy, Stephen Darbishire, who carefully made a cut-out model of Adamski's saucer, invented a story of seeing it come down low over the hills, then had the photo published in the UK press where it remained a talking point for years afterwards. The boy was even invited to Buckingham Palace, but that is another story.

    Still, this is all history now.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • Kuiper of course also was the source for a remembrance of the Nazi hollow earth island of Rugen infrared experiments, as he wrote in 1946: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..263K see pages 277-278, which worked itself into the Nazi UFO and Nazi occultism mythos, beginning with a mention in paulwes and Bergier (Le Matin des Magiciens, 1960).

    Best regards,

    Theo

    By Blogger theo paijmans, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • "Los Angeles Times. 'Professor's Idea - Saucer Pilots Could Be Smart Bugs or Plants.' Dr. Gerald Kuiper, professor of astronomy at University of Chicago, speculated that any little Martian who steps out of a flying saucer would be either an intellectual insect or an even more incredible vegetable creature."

    Wonder if the Charles Lederer screenplay for "The Thing From Another World" (1951) was based on this article, considering he changed John W. Campbell's original short story considerably. Then again, maybe it was just easier to film this revised version.

    By Blogger Ron, at Wednesday, August 26, 2015  

  • Aliens of vegetable origin are already featured in 19th century science fiction.

    Best regards,

    Theo

    By Blogger theo paijmans, at Friday, August 28, 2015  

  • If we discover intelligent lifeforms that use cellulose in their cell walls and are capable of photosynthesis, we will certainly
    create a new kingdom for them or even as they are extraterrestrial a complete new taxonomy distinct from that of life on Earth.

    So, technically, they will not be "vegetables" or more exactly plants. They will belong to a completely distinct kingdom in a life classification system specific to their host planet. It will not make sense to try to use Earth life classification for extraterrestrial life that followed a different evolution path. But, right now, we are just having fun and speculating!

    There is a recent example of kingdom reassignment for our known terrestrial life. Decades ago, fungi were considered primitive plants as they have vegetative growth. But, as their cell walls contain chitin like arthropods and their metabolism share some points with animal metabolism, a new kingdom just for fungi was created.

    Regards,

    Jean


    By Blogger Rare phenomena lover, at Friday, August 28, 2015  

  • Jean:

    I've covered here, earlier, much about the "intelligence" of vegetative life. It's intriguing.

    That plant life might have developed and evolved to the point of sentience, elsewhere, is a real possibility, as I see it.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, August 28, 2015  

  • Well....supposedly the Greys are "plant like" things since a few reports claim they are cellulose based lifeforms that use photosynthesis as their primary energy source...hence inoperative mouths...no musculature etc...at least that's what their groupies claim....

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Monday, August 31, 2015  

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