UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, September 24, 2015

Drowning Ufologists

It’s inescapable, UFOs have become a true fringe topic, an outer fringe topic.

And those who’ve invested in the topic are striving to keep their (now) bête noire from disappearing altogether, even for UFO enthusiasts.

(The public has, pretty much, disavowed any interest in UFOs, seeking enthusiasms, instead, from celebrity and political figures.)

A friend of our, Bryan Sentes, tells me that UFOs and poetry come and go in waves. He’s right, of course.

Poetry has been making a comeback among the literati, for what reasons I’m not sure.

But UFOs’ last wave, among UFO buffs, came and went quickly with the farcical May 5th 2015 Roswell slides imbroglio.

Yet, desperate ufologists, like our friend Kevin Randle, and his quirky minions (blog followers), are clinging to that fiasco as a kind of ufological life preserver.

The problem is that no intelligent or sane person would cling to such a shoddy piece of the UFO mystique.

Thus, even the die-hards have got to see the handwriting on the wall: UFOs and especially the so-called Roswell incident, are deader than door-nails.

A recent commenter at Mr. Randle’s blog used the ridiculous term, skeptibunker, an epithet coined by the irrational crowd at the one-time, but now-dead UFO Updates.

It’s things like that which have further soiled UFO commentary, already a batch of irrational and psychopathic drivel.

While UFO oldies (geezers) are dropping like flies (dying off) – with many more to come before the end of 2015, all that is left are the UFO newbies and mid-scum buffs.

This doesn’t bode well for the phenomenon. It’s a death knell, as I keep trying to convince the rational among you.

UFOs are so remote from the public/media consciousness that the phenomenon can’t be driven to topicality, no matter how hard some try to make it so.

Those of us who see a remnant of purposeful study in the classic cases and sightings have got to go underground and pursue those case/sightings archaeologically and privately, hoping not to get caught in the swill and riptide of those who are fervently hanging on to Roswell as the savior of ufology….sorry Mr. Randle et al.

RR

14 Comments:

  • Many more UFO oldies will die off before the end of 2015? How do you manage to predict such things? I do seriously wonder now if perhaps (just perhaps) I might be one of them. But even if I am not, to enjoy the cut and thrust of UFO debate, especially all the nooks and crannies of Roswell, is a fantastic and enlightening experience.

    The only things that beat it are politics and religion. Which reminds me that the next US election is already getting too much time on UK TV, almost as much as our own politics. Oh dear!

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • CDA:

    It's easy to forecast (predict) the demise of oldies (like you and me)....we're on the cusp between life and death.

    As for Roswell, it has a mouldering, grave-like smell for some of us, but not you Randle habitues it seems.

    And politics? Gwad, what a bane on humanity, whether here or where you are.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • Two points: the thesis that "ufology" is dead (especially in light of the latest Roswell fiasco) is, it strikes me, Americocentric. In Europe, as the recent conference organized by Chris Aubeck evidences, a different kind of ufology persists. Moreover, there seems some confusion between public interest in ufology as such and ufo flaps or waves. I see little abatement in the public imagination around matters "ufological" in terms of the presence of ET in popular culture (which isn't I think what you mean by ufology, but why ignore the popular or commercial curiosity?). In terms of flaps or waves, surely you'd agree at the very least the last were in Belgium and Mexico in '90 and '91 respectively (some would argue an flap occurred in Maylasia in '99) and, if the history of the phenomenon shows us anything, then just at the nadir of sightings, out of the blue the damned things appear again with a vengeance (tho, as Vallee has observed, at IRregular intervals). So, I think you're right, that the heyday of American ufology, those of NICAP and MUFON and amateur _research_ into the phenomenon in the 50s and 60s, says, is moribund, the broader cultural and even scientific phenomenon as such persists robustly (this latter in The Invisible College) in ever new, unpredictable manifestations!

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • Bryan:

    You're optimistic as usual. UFOs remain vibrant for a few, who then extrapolate (or project) that vibrancy on the media and public, which is merely a projection.

    That Vallee remains, as you and I (and a few others), vibrant can't and doesn't extend to the great unwashed or any legitimate journalistic endeavor that I'm familiar with.

    Writing that the phenomenon is being robustly considered, by anyone (including The so-called Invisible College) is a sop to wishful thinking dredged up from our youth but still a nostalgic chimera.

    I'd like to believe that UFOs are still germane to society, even a small, excited segment, but that isn't the case from my vantage point.

    That said, you have to concede that "ufology," as a viable construct or discipline, is a canard of the most egregious kind.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • It strikes me we have very different notions of "ufology" at work: you seem focussed on the American version of a pseudoscience, while I hear the rhyme with mythology. In this latter sense, literally million of $US are invested annually in working over said mythology, in cinema, TV, and publishing. Do you deny this material evidence?

    Moreover, said working over depends upon the spontaneous presence of said mythology: the UFO is universally recognized, in a way that much of what was called High Culture is no more.

    That the UFO myth is not as feverishly developed as it was in the 90s, I'll grant, but as long as SETI persists, Hawking makes remarks about it (and invests in it!), as long as movies and tv shows and series are made about it, and as long a books are written about it (how big is that market globally in $US I wonder), and as long as teraflops of the internet are devoted to it, "ufology" in this sense persists.

    By what right (i.e. on what grounds) do you so casually dismiss such cultural activity?

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • You know my position on society, Bryan -- the cultural manifestations (of today) are generally irrelevant.

    And UFOs being such a fringe element in society, they are more than irrelevant; they are, for all intents and purposes (as they say) a dead topic, a dead issue.

    In the cultural landscape, UFOs and, especially, ufology are worthless as dog shit.

    You know this to be true, within the context, of your concerns, evidenced on Facebook.

    One can study or be interested much in the way one can study or be interested in dinosaurs. It may assuage curiosity, but it doesn't add anything to the economy or the plight of trekkers from Syria to Croatia.

    SETI is another matter -- a fevered enterprise to prove we're not alone in the Universe, but its pursuit is as chimerical as ufology, in the real scheme of things.

    I'll persist in writing about UFOs, but I know that to be psychopathological.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • I dunno, man. You seem intent on ignoring all the material evidence I present on the table. Need I link to the list of UFO movies compiled at Silver Screen Saucers, for example?--But, let's turn things around, let's agree that "ufology" in its protean and multifarious forms is not "central" to society. You, as an aficionado of psychoanalysis, will know that dreams, slips of tongue, lapses in memory, mistakes, etc., namely all manner of phenomena marginal in our day to day concerns are profoundly relevatory of what's at work in the psyche in ways the psyche itself ignores. The same case can be made for marginal cultural phenomena: their marginality is precisely an index of their import, as any student of cultural studies will tell you. Central or marginal, the UFO-as-such, as a cultural phenomenon, possesses significance, meaning. As the Stoics (I think) used to say: Nothing human is alien to to me.

    By Blogger Bryan Sentes, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • It's like that food pyramid, Bryan...

    There are important things and less important things.

    When you see human beings struggling to get to freedom and safety, UFOs take a back seat -- a really far-back seat.

    But, as I'm still enamored of Freud -- who was right: Sex permeates everything human -- I don't see UFOs and it corollary, ufology, as a significant adjunct to society, history, or human culture.

    UFOs may not be alien to you, but that's because you're interested in everything, and I mean everything!

    For me, I'm limited in my interests, lacking the energy or intellectual stamina you have.

    But let me assure you, that if you ask your FB friends what they think about UFOs, you'll get opprobrium of a great kind I think.

    They'd think you were a little crazy.

    Your reference to Silver Screen "flying saucer" movies goes to your affection for things gone by.....like your love of the 18th and 19th century German philosophers. (I bet you like Proust, a lot, also.)

    Like the witches of Salem and earlier English lore, along with hypnotism and seances, UFOs are so marginal as to be invisible to persons living in the here and now, trying to cope with humanity's insanity..

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 24, 2015  

  • Good afternoon,

    So, what remains to us to do ? To give up ? Many of us are not comfortable with the idea because they feel that there is
    definitely a real unknown phenomenon behind at least a few reports.

    The initial purpose of ufology, which is supposed to be the study of UFO reports (the reality is now far different), was to build a "business case" and to show to the scientific community that there is at least one unknown phenomenon(either natural or artificial) behind at least a few reports and to present a research program. This has been until now a complete failure for
    several reasons, particularly because many ufologists doesn't want to do real science.

    Is there a way to change this ? This is the true problem!

    Regards,

    Jean


    By Blogger Rare phenomena lover, at Friday, September 25, 2015  

  • Yes, Jean...

    There is a serious group forming, and it's not the Invisible College.

    I'll make sure to present the info here as soon as the name and parameters are made known to me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, September 25, 2015  

  • I tend to visualize the embers of a camp fire slowly going out losing their once happy glow while going dark and silent.

    And Roswell is a case that can no longer provide any further valuable information.

    There isn't anything more to "find" and the case for ET can't be proven there even if you don't like Flight #4.

    The trail there is colder than ice. Yet, it still forms the cornerstone to the alien myth.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Saturday, September 26, 2015  

  • midscum?

    By Blogger Timothy Brigham, at Sunday, September 27, 2015  

  • Mid-scum: should I name them?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 27, 2015  

  • Jean wrote above about the need to conduct real scientific applications towards the study of UFOs. This approach has been met with total abject failure. The issue of "bias" plays much in the "scientific" approach's downfall due to preconceived notions.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Monday, September 28, 2015  

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