UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, September 03, 2015

The “insanity” of [Adamski’s] Orthon

George Adamski provided reproductions of his Venusian visitor’s shoe-prints and symbols in a “message” left on a piece of photo stock:


These were displayed in his co-authored (with Desmond Leslie) book, Flying Saucers Have Landed.

But the symbols or “writings” come nowhere near what one would expect from an advanced extraterrestrial culture or civilization that the visitor [Orthon] was said to represent.

The “markings” look more like the scribblings (or drawings) of schizophrenic human beings:


Why did Leslie or anyone else take Adamski's offerings seriously?

Human writing evolved over time and I’ve written about the evolution of writing before here.

Some examples of early attempts by humans to communicate via symbols and writing:

                                         
Even primitive cultures displayed a sense of aesthetic decorum, as you can see.

Would an extraterrestrial civilization use math symbols, as some SETI advocates propose?

No. An alien culture would evolve totally differently than that here on this Earth; that is, the emergence of symbols, writing, language, and other modes of communication would develop spectacularly different than what has emerged here.

Even the cultural symbolic differences of Japanese or Chinese (Eastern) writing, on this sphere alone, is markedly different from Western cultures.
(I find no “explanation” as to why this is so. If you find one, let me know.)

How much more so would the writing, if there is any, of alien beings differ from that of Earth?

But even then, one wouldn’t expect the difference to be as hectic – schizophrenic – as that shown in the Adamski/Orthon examples (or other supposed UFO symbols reported).

The Orthon [Venusian] “script” alone should have discounted Adamski’s flying saucer lore. Why didn’t it?

RR

18 Comments:

  • Because of the photos! When you are 12 years old and see those photos you get "hooked" for life.....regardless of how dumb and impossible the story-teller and the story is. Same with Meier for some UFO followers. I am not agreeing just attempting to explain...

    By Blogger Dominick, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • So how would we set about differentiating between likely alien 'writing' and schizotypal/schizophrenic scribblings which seem more like 'Glossolalia' on paper? We have no Archimedean point from which to begin. And until we do, ALL will be mere speculation upon speculation...upon speculation...

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • Parakletos:

    State your response in terms that address the posting.

    There is no alien writing, so how can we assess or compare it to anything.

    We do have examples of schizophrenic renderings and Adamski's Orthon seems to have come near duplicating that, so we can suggest...

    That Orthon was schizophrenic-like -- from another world (unlikely) or an Earth being who needs psychiatric help...

    Or, Adamski was a contained paranoid schizophrenic who contrived the "messages" and the whole Orthon scenario (likely).

    Some, however, think that Adamski was a government patsy, set up to provide an alien story, to how human would react. (Unlikely as I see it.)

    (There are no aliens, thus no alien writing. I'm with CDA on this.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • RR

    That's what I said -- though differently. We have no foundation from which to compare to ACTUAL alien writing. So we can't get beyond mere speculation.

    It could be that REAL alien writing DOES look rather much like schizo writing. We just do not know.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • But wouldn't an "advanced" alien culture use symbols and/or communication that has an aesthetic value, or look and coherency?

    Otherwise they'd seem to have trouble configuring their travel devices and itinerary.

    Intelligence requires, it seems to me, a semblance of consistency and logic.

    The Adamski "messages" have neither. That's what I'm dealing with.

    Since there is no such thing as "alien writing" or alien visitation, a discussion of
    either is gilding the lily.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • RR

    Gilding the lily...that's a new one for me. I see it as a tank with only one tread operating. If you only have the major premise and no minor premise, you can't do anything but spin in circles. And then the emphasis becomes how mush prettier or perfect your circles are compared to someone else.

    Sure, semblance, consistency and logic... All good terms, but meaningless when you still have no basis. It could be that perfectly logical alien script would appear inconsistent and illogical to us. Without that 'Rosetta stone', we can't know EITHER way.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • Well, P, if Adamski's Venusian represents an extraterrestrial race and the messages he provided to Adamski indicates their script, then the Universe contains psychotics as nutty as those on this planet.

    And that doesn't bode well for the salvation (or enhancement) of mankind.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • ``then the Universe contains psychotics as nutty as those on this planet.``

    That seems to be obvious -- as the Earth contains such people, and the Earth itself is contained within the Universe/Multiverse.

    I wouldn't draw too much from it, though. Because if there is intelligent alien life off Earth, then it would likely be more than just a single species. There'd likely be quite the variety of species out there at varying levels of development and intelligence.

    And I would also suspect that they would even have varying levels of intelligence even among the same species, as with Humans. It might even be possible that some of them have something not unlike schizophrenia or schizotypal disorders as well! Whose to say that every alien that came to Earth is necessarily NOT schizophrenic/schizotypal?

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • Adamski's drawings do in fact represent something close to what a schizophrenic might draw. On the other hand he may have just fabricated the drawings using ancient cuniform as reference. And isn't that symbol on the top left heel a swastika? Space Nazis? Sounds like a B movie theme.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Thursday, September 03, 2015  

  • SOLE - SOUL

    From Sole To Soul : It was intended as a pun, I believe, as, was the later album title by The Beatles RUBBER SOUL.

    There was a time when Clarks shoes had a compass in the sole. Also some forms of artistic markings...

    "Compass Shoes-Clarks?

    Anyone recall the shoes, think they were from Clarks, with a compass in the sole?

    My nan used to manage a shoe shop, I remember having a massive card board cut out of George Best on my bedroom wall she'd give me. she even served Tom Jones and George himself, which I always thought was kool.

    Re: Compass Shoes-Clarks?

    Had a pair myself ------ Nature Treks /wayfinders
    They also had various animal paw prints on the soles"

    http://forums.doyouremember.co.uk/threads/1234-Compass-Shoes-Clarks


    Then there is the fish symbol identified by George Hunt Williamson.

    There just happens to be a fish called sole....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish)


    "We ignore the simplest things that are closest to us"

    George Adamski

    By Blogger Daniel Transit, at Saturday, September 05, 2015  

  • And Daniel your take-away (slant) is?

    That there's something worthwhile in all this?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, September 05, 2015  

  • A better question is there anything worthwhile in what was correctly labeled as "The "Insanity"?

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Sunday, September 06, 2015  

  • Well explain this image then ?

    http://i.imgur.com/XLrDuDa.jpg

    This article is all kinds of wrong !

    By Blogger Quilan Hanniffy, at Monday, September 07, 2015  

  • QH: love it, love it, love it.

    I realize I am entering the rarefied air of the UFO intelligentsia, but I have always wondered: how can one conclude what is NOT, if one does not actually know what IS? I might have missed that article where is "IS" was explained.

    It seems to me, being only a chick of the Wise One, that Parakletos must have it right, "Without that 'Rosetta stone', we can't know EITHER way."

    Forgive my naivete but why does everyone seem to presume that an alien mind is created in our image, i.e., that knowledge and understanding can only be approached through logic and reasoning? If that alien mind does not conform to these suppositions, then he/she/they/it are mentally defective???

    Very confusing to a chick. [No smartass comments are required, they haven't sexed me yet.]

    Respectfully, ZM

    By Blogger Zany Moonites, at Friday, September 18, 2015  

  • "Dominick said...

    Because of the photos! When you are 12 years old and see those photos you get "hooked" for life.....regardless of how dumb and impossible the story-teller and the story is. Same with Meier for some UFO followers. I am not agreeing just attempting to explain...

    Thursday, September 03, 2015"

    People don't necessarily get 'hooked for life.' I've read others in the UFO field stating that they changed their minds, when they were supposedly older and wiser.

    George Adamski wasn't dumb or impossible overall in the way he spoke or behaved - I've listened to hours of his talks. For me, these lines in the David Bowie song 'Oh! You Pretty Things' get close to how he comes across:

    '..written in pain, written in awe, by a puzzled man who questioned what we were here for, all the strangers came today, and it looks as though they're here to stay...'

    By Blogger Daniel Transit, at Tuesday, October 06, 2015  

  • "RRRGroup said...

    Well, P, if Adamski's Venusian represents an extraterrestrial race and the messages he provided to Adamski indicates their script, then the Universe contains psychotics as nutty as those on this planet.

    And that doesn't bode well for the salvation (or enhancement) of mankind.

    RR

    Thursday, September 03, 2015"

    I can't recall anyone saying that this was an alien script. It's referred to as containing a message. Messages conveyed by Extraterrestrials don't have to be representative of their culture, in form or otherwise.

    Remember the fern that Elizabeth Klarer said they gave her. Tim Good wasn't impressed finding that it existed on Earth. But, could it have been a clue of some sort?

    By Blogger Daniel Transit, at Tuesday, October 06, 2015  

  • Daniel:

    You make a point but the aesthetics of script denotes how cultured or refined a race or society may be.

    There is a piece in TLS [8/31/15, Page 32] about Arabic penmanship [circa 940 A.D.] that goes to the argument.

    If Orthon's message is a message for humanity, as alleged, he presented a garbled message and, as I note, that scribbling . indicates a race (Venusian) that's absolutely mad, or the person concocting the message (as a hoax) is mad, at some level.

    You write, "Messages conveyed by Extraterrestrials don't have to be representative of their culture, in form or otherwise"

    Yes, they do, if there is any sense to the Universe and any possible extraterrestrial race advanced enough to traverse the galaxies.

    (Or one can make the argument that the Universe is an insane construct, which superficially it seems to be, and therefore all races in are so afflicted. Earth is a prime example.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, October 06, 2015  

  • You will find all the answers to your questions about Orthon and his 1952 message in my new book, The Incredible Life of George Hunt Williamson, published by Verdechiaro edition, with 80 photos –– among them the photos (wide shots) of Orthon's footprints. George Hunt Williamson was a "privileged witness" to George Adamski's initial contact. See the details on Amazon
    The author Michel ZIRGER

    By Blogger Michel Zirger, at Sunday, July 17, 2016  

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