UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, October 24, 2015

Freud and UFOs

No, I’m not referring to anything like Jung’s exegesis Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies.

What I propose is that for Freud, sexuality underlay (no pun) everything human, and his thesis, discarded a few years back but receiving a renaissance in academe and other scholarly disciplines, accounts for an understanding of what’s amiss in society today (and always has been).

But in ufology (aside from the few perverse episodes by some), sexuality has played little or no part in the interpretation of the phenomenon.

Yes, abductee (experiencer) accounts are fraught with unconscious (previously repressed) elements with a sexual influence, most serious, like sexual abuse or molestation in childhood. But that’s not what I propose to deal with here.

My point is the UFO is not seen as a sexual replacement, sublimated or not, in the literature.

Sure, some will point to cigar-shaped UFOs as a sexual projection, but even Freud said, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
War, politics, conducting and orchestra, performing on stage, and advertising, among a raft of other activities, can be deigned to be sexual in motivation, unconscious and overt, and we all know that, or should.

But UFOs, not at all.
Few UFO reports, Villas Boas aside (as we all know that was a CIA/AID concoction: See Nick Redfern’s book, Contactees for a full explanation), have a sexual patina, which allows one to think that such reports are actual and comport with an actuality, Zoam Chomsky’s tirades to the contrary sidelined accordingly.

As a full-fledged Freudian, despite my friend, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson’s brilliant exposé in 1984 -- The Assault on Truth: Freud's Suppression of the Seduction Theory – I see sexuality as the original sin, the human behavior that has been deconstructed by us to the point that mankind is adrift from its transcendental purpose. (See Human Destiny by Pierre Lecomte du Noüy)

Yet, UFOs, despite the quirkiness and oddity of the phenomenon and ongoing mystery,
Remains uncluttered, pretty much, by any sexual association.

This makes for a pristine examination of the phenomenon, without any of the vicissitudes that besmirch most other human endeavors.

So, have at it, you sexually suppressed rascals, and come up with a reasonable, rational account of what UFOs are – and they indeed are, even though they represent nothing as profound as a romp in the hay, as we used to say.



  • I tend to agree with you on this one. Unless a survey was conducted for those affected with a mere sighting revealing disinhibition, impotence, frigidity, etc., but this has certainly not been a focal area.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Saturday, October 24, 2015  

  • UFOs, Tim. seem to be so not human oriented or conjoined.....alien in a way....not extraterrestrial but alien, foreign to our basic reality.

    The things don't appear to be a projection that reflects our basic instinct.

    (I may have to re-read Jung.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, October 24, 2015  

  • I have to agree, rather than a sexual component, the appeal of UFOs/UAPs, I would suggest, is more to our innate curiosity and the cerebral bent to solve puzzles. Remote in the aerial (technical) component, the result is a sexless scientific, white-coat mystery.

    You also reference Pierre Lecomte du Noüy. A quick Wikipedia read found:

    "Du Noüy believed that mankind should have confidence in science, but be aware that we know less about the material world than is commonly believed."

    I really liked that, but, in terms of our current science, it now seems quite understated. Mysteries abound in that quirk of science where the more we know the greater the wonder.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Saturday, October 24, 2015  

  • Bryan:

    I bought Human Destiny after Jack Paar recommended it in a newspaper article years ago, of course..

    I thought it so profound that I grabbed a dozen or so from the bookstore at Hudsons (in Detroit) and passed them on to friends.

    When those ran out, I got a batch of the paperbacks and gave them to readers of our RRRGroup blog in the 2005 time-frame.

    I have one copy left, for my collection.

    I suggest you grab a copy from Amazon or another bookseller (Powell's) online. You will find it to be more than interesting.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 25, 2015  

  • Freud may be useful for ufologists if there is contact, whether with the ufo or its inhabitants. Adamski, for example, describes Orthon in language that might interest an analyst if he had Adamski on the couch. Abductees and Contactees are the best examples, I think.

    For a simple (and good) sighting, though, there is no relationship (or, say, 'communication') formed. The object is transitory, here then gone. If however the witness is a "repeater", then there's something else going on; there is a relationship.

    Those who describe a 'simple sighting' -- let's say in daylight and long enough lasting for the witness to form an impression of it and describe it -- often describe their surprise or perplexity: everything was mundane and normal, then something was there that couldn't be there, then it is gone and things are back to normal. It occured to me that I should look up Freud's essay on "The Uncanny" (Das Unheimliche).

    There seems something Unheimliche about "normal" sightings. 'Unheimliche' doesn't translate easily to English. It gets subtle real fast, so I'll leave it at that.



    By Blogger Don, at Sunday, October 25, 2015  

  • No sexual elements in those "simple sightings" Don......my point.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 25, 2015  

  • RR

    Just for your info...
    Just ordered the book.


    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Sunday, October 25, 2015  

  • Where did you find it, Bryan?

    Did you get it for the $4.95?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 25, 2015  

  • You make a great point, Rich. Notwithstanding the sexual aspects of abduction stories, most of the UFO phenomenon seems to lack any buried psychosexual dimension, which kind of supports its reality. Maybe that's why the subject speaks so strongly to my inner 10-year-old (i.e., the latency period) :-)

    I agree with Don, though, that Freud remains very relevant, particularly the concept of the uncanny.


    By Blogger Eric Wargo, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

  • Yes, Eric...

    More and more people (academics among them) are coming to appreciate Freud's insights.

    It gladdens my heart, and inner 13 year old...I was a little slow.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, October 28, 2015  

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