posted by RRRGroup at
Saturday, October 10, 2015
Good afternoon,Perhaps the Earth and solar system are insignifiant in terms of size, but if intelligent life is indeed rare in the galaxy,then they are, on the contrary, very significant.I am not a supporter of the ETH for UFOs because mainly of the lack of evidence, but I think that an advanced extraterrestrialcivilization will certainly try to find if other civilizations exist, even if their home planets are "insignifiant" in comparisonto the size of the galaxy. We are already trying to find exoplanets similar to earth (and already found a few one of comparable size), so why other civilizations would not try the same? The main obstacle is, of course, the average distance separing two advanced civilizations which may be too high toallow detection.Best regards,Jean
By Rare phenomena lover, at Saturday, October 10, 2015
Jean:I've already considered, in my previous robotic alien posting,why an advanced extraterrestrial civilization, if it exists. might stumble upon Earth.RR
By RRRGroup, at Saturday, October 10, 2015
I'm not sure that "stumble upon" quite captures the intense UFO interest in, say, our nuclear sites and WSA's over the years. The work of Robert Hastings and others on this aspect of the UFO phenomenon is interesting to say the least. Our (planet)size may be insignificant but our capacity for (planetary) destruction is not and may have gotten someone's attention.
By Dominick, at Saturday, October 10, 2015
But Dominick...Can't you see that an atomic explosion here would be even more insignificant that our place in the Galaxy and Universe?Even if we were to export our barbaric use of the atom, the consequences would be nil compared to the catastrophic nature of the Universe itself.Thinking we and our weapons would be worrisome to alien cultures is a narcissism I can't abide.RR
Did I say that the UFO interest in our nuclear sites was because "our weapons would be worrisome to alien cultures"? No, I didn't say that and don't believe that. Indeed, that would be a narcissism that I can't abide, either. But there is an interest in this technology, nonetheless, so how is it to be explained? If the numerous reports are true, launch ready misseles have been taken off line and WSA's have been probed repeatedly. One explanation (certainly not the only one) is that this as an informational experience with respect to a technology and a purpose that they (it) might not fully understand. But, of course, I could be wrong.
Yes, if the probes are actual and I think Hastings has done some fine work about it.But are the intrusions extraterrestrial, or from the future (or past), or just a paranormal observation from entities unknown?No alien foray.....we (Earth) are too inconsequential in context of the Universe.RR
I would argue, Rich, that "intrusions" from the future, the past, or intrusions associated with the paranormal are just as weird, maybe even more weird, than intrusions associated with something extraterrestrial. But which is it? Impossible to know....but notice that we are granting the total reality of the intrusions themselves. Interesting.
I trust Hastings' investigations....he isn't foolish or haphazard with his research.RR
I don't think that if ET is real he would be interested in our nuclear energy. Believers claim ET is anywhere between 50,000 years ahead of us while some claim even millions of years in advance of human technology.From a human perspective, how interested today is the average person in the Upper Paleolithic era and Stone Age tools? Not many. How about the cotton gin from just a few hundred years ago?So explain why an alien culture would show intense interest in nuclear anything when for them it would seem so distant in their past it no longer holds much interest.Or is it that we should think of alien visitors as terminal degreed academic creatures such as archeologists, anthropologists, historians and sociologists who are just curious about our species' past technological and Industrial Ages?If so, none of their claimed behavior or messages indicates anything of the sort.
By Brian Bell, at Saturday, October 10, 2015
I like the archaeological/anthropological slant.That would explain the loopy encounters, at nuclear facilities and other "insane-like" sorties.RR
Rich,is an anthill a significant phenomenon to a scientist? or is a bacterial life form worthy of study for us?yes: think about Diane Fossey, she spents her whole life studying apes. Are they worthy of attention for our civilization?consider Microbial strain Thermus Acquaticus, it was discovered in geysers and this seemingly useless discovery led us to one of the greatest scientific quantum leap in medicine. In 1983, kary Mullis patented a method for in vitro Dna amplification using a Thermus Acquaticus enzyme. so, search for knowledge can be one of the major boost for an advanced eth civilization, not directly, may be through the use of advanced automated probes, i.e. von neumann probes.size doesn't matter.
By ilfakiro, at Sunday, October 11, 2015
Yes, ilfakiro...I like the "von Neumann probe" scenario, and almost say as much in the posting.But Earth and its human species is still insignificant.If God made Earth's creatures in His image, then the dinosaur(s) would emulate God -- as they existed for millions of years whereas we've only been around for a fraction of that.That some think, as a few do who've commented here, that human intelligence is the apex of thought, strikes me as erroneous in the extreme when examined sensibly.Probing Earth and its creatures, by an advanced extraterrestrial society/race, would be more of a hobby than a serious scientific thrust by alien science, it seems to me.RR
By RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 11, 2015
RRAs has already been said, we are not insignificant. life is rare and intelligence even rarer (without going into degrees of terrestrial intelligence) all in terms of our current physics. Change the physics and everything changes.Astronomy and our developing space flight awareness awareness of the linear distances involved makes it clear that without the superluminal transport or communication of some kind (as I think Brian mentioned)contact with even our closest star system is near impossible (think our closest Alpha Centauri system messages or travel taking 4 years at light speed -each way). -It makes me consider from time to time what is SETI really all aboutIf sub-superluminal probes are sent the same things apply. Ghosts and goblins need not apply but time travel or some form of phase shifting are ponderable projections to future with new discoveries in physics. That is to say that phenomena we encounter now, or even in the past, could be evidence or clues that there are spectrums that we don't yet perceive. I use a thermal imager in my work and it sees things I would otherwise walk by. It's a constant reminder for me that we don't perceive everything. Add to that mix that bombshell of the physicists telling us we only perceive 10% -or less- of what exists. Now, that is a cause for reflection and conjecture.Its not like saying there is 10% we don't understand, it's saying we are simply blind -even should we have a great discovery that defines another 50% of what exists, still blind. It's just humbling, and in that we must keep an open mind.BD
By Bryan Daum, at Sunday, October 11, 2015
Bryan:I am in agreement with you.But for me, that UFO ET believers keep insisting that aliens have been here and are still coming in droves, strikes me as irrational and a kind of theological-like belief.An analogy would be this: dinosaur bones are found in Montana, then all (all!) of science would descend on the state to get more information about the find.If there are alien probes or even paranormal probes from the past, future, or dimensions not perceived by us, that is something I can accept, in a limited way.But to posit that aliens are coming and have been coming for millennia to check out this meager planet comes across my mind as kind of crazy.RR
If UFOs are ET crafts, then it would appear that they have found a source of abundant and probably free energy. Other observations of the beings themselves, although infrequent and at a distance, seems to indicate a lack of concern about food scarcity, which I admit is a bit of a reach. Anyhow, I looked at 296 cases of ET activity when they were seen outside their crafts with the craft nearby. In the 46 cases where the observer was close enough to see what they were doing, the most frequent thing that they appeared to be doing was sample gathering and inspecting (25 of 46 cases). The second most frequent was vehicle inspection and repair (11 of 46 cases.) Once the energy and food problem are solved for a society, there isn’t much left to do except intellectual study and advancement, travel, and building things. The scientific nature of the most frequent activity of UFO occupants suggests to me that earth is of scientific interest to them, perhaps simply as a cataloging activity even if we have nothing to offer.
By charles tromblee, at Monday, October 12, 2015
Charles,Our colleague, Spanish UFO researcher Jose Caravaca has presented an hypothesis "explaining" what is happening with the UFO encounters and entity witnessed events.Some of his ideas have been presented here, and you might Google his name for more about his "theory."RR
By RRRGroup, at Monday, October 12, 2015
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