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Friday, October 02, 2015

Shakespeare and Roswell

Now what would Shakespeare have to do with the Roswell incident?

Shakespeare provides in his works, especially the tragedies, the little things that bring about disaster or mayhem.

For instance, in Romeo and Juliet, the sleeping potion Juliet takes to feign death is mistaken by Romeo, when he finds her on a funeral bier, as her death, and thus kills himself in grief.

In Othello, a handkerchief, which was a gift from Othello to his wife, Desdemona, dropped inadvertently by Othello, is picked up by Iago and used to instill jealousy in Othello by indicating that Desdemona gave the handkerchief to Cassio, Othello’s chief lieutenant, because Cassio was Desdmona’s secret lover. Othello strangles Desdemona in a jealous rage.

In Hamlet, found letters push the plot to this end:

“Hamlet explains to Horatio that he had discovered Claudius's letter [about killing Hamlet] with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern's belongings and replaced it with a forged copy indicating that his former friends should be killed instead. A foppish courtier, Osric, interrupts the conversation to deliver [a] fencing challenge to Hamlet. Hamlet, despite Horatio's advice, accepts it. Hamlet does well to start, leading the match by two hits to zero, and Gertrude raises a toast to him using the poisoned glass of wine Claudius had set aside for Hamlet. Claudius tries to stop her, but is too late: she drinks, and Laertes realizes the plot will be revealed. Laertes slashes Hamlet with his poisoned blade. In the ensuing scuffle, they switch weapons and Hamlet wounds Laertes with his own poisoned sword. Gertrude collapses and, claiming she has been poisoned, dies. In his dying moments, Laertes reconciles with Hamlet and reveals Claudius's plan. Hamlet rushes Claudius and kills him. As the poison takes effect, Hamlet, hearing that Fortinbras is marching through the area, names the Norwegian prince as his successor. Horatio, distraught at the thought of being the last survivor, says he will commit suicide by drinking the dregs of Gertrude's poisoned wine, but Hamlet begs him to live on and tell his story. Hamlet dies, proclaiming ‘the rest is silence.’”

Now here’s the Roswell connection:

The Haut press release about the Army recovering a flying disc is the progenitor of the Roswell myth: a little thing – it was a corruption of “flying disc” for the era,which meant only a odd array of stuff connected to press accounts of items tied to flying saucer reports and had nothing to do with extraterrestrial craft flying around and crashing to Earth.

“Flying disc” inside an Army instigated document created and fostered a mythos that had gotten out of hand in the late 1970s by a foolish interpretation  of “flying disc” and the resultant desire of many mentally quirked Roswellians and UFO buffs to create an extraterrestrial patina to a prosaic event involving balloon debris or junk from a somewhat secret military operation.

It’s simple.

A relatively tiny misuse of a common term for the 1947 spate of so-called flying saucer accounts created an environment ripe for the preference of ufologists to tie a phenomenon to alien craft and alien intrusion of Earth, a sci-fi predilection that has grown beyond what makes for reality, and has become so embedded in the psyche of some that to shake it loose has become impossible.



  • No, Rich, it's not (that) "simple." No simple "misuse of a commong term" can account for the lingering interest in Roswell as a very unusual event. The fact remains that there are several other factors ( General Exxon's comments; several interesting documents including the IPU 1947 Report; irregular travel schedule changes for General Twining in July, 1947; etc.) that point to something extra-ordinary near Roswell in July of 1947. A recovered alien spacecraft remains a possibility although, perhaps, not one with the highest probability. But "black swan" events do happen and cannot be dismissed out of hand.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Friday, October 02, 2015  

  • Dominick:

    I'm not explaining the incident but the evolutionary spark of the mythos which is separate issue altogether.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, October 02, 2015  

  • In other words, it's much ado about nothing...

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, October 02, 2015  

  • Yes, Nick....despite the advocation of Dominick and some of the Randle crowd.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, October 02, 2015  

  • Roswell is hardly an advocation for me. But the convoluted "official" explanations over the years plus some documentary "evidence" (the 1947 IPU Report) hint at a cover-up....of something extraordinary. I put the probability of something extraordinary at about 10% (a subjective estimate to be sure)but not at 0% like you and Nick, apparently. UFO reports are like stock picks: Some are fairly predictable (and investable) while others (the biotechs) are very high risk. Roswell is a biotech. We want it in our portfolio even though we know that the risk is high that it won't pan out. But we want it there just in case we are wrong.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Saturday, October 03, 2015  

  • Dominick:

    I'm surprised you're missing my point, which is...

    There was an incident (or two) near Roswell in 1947. I have no idea what that incident (or incidents) consisted of.

    Then there is the myth (mythos) that has evolved from the incident(s).

    I'm dealing here with the myth not the incident.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, October 03, 2015  

  • What is this IPU Report of 1947? Who wrote it and where may we view it?

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, October 04, 2015  

  • We are moving away from the "myths" discussion that Rich wants BUT if he will allow it, CDA, here is the link to the IPU Report.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Sunday, October 04, 2015  

  • Thank you Dominick....

    I hope this assuages CDA's curiosity and keeps him from going off on his usual tangents.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, October 04, 2015  

  • Clearly the Roswell events of July 1947 are fueled by a belief system that not only produces a mythos but a UFO religion - a denomination all of its own.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Sunday, October 04, 2015  

  • I have had a brief look at the IPU documents and am satisfied that every one, without exception, is worthless to science.

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, October 04, 2015  

  • That's an interesting conclusion, CDA, but not unexpected. After all, these are not alleged to be "scientific" documents with scientific analysis and journal entry sources. On the contrary, these are alleged to be historical documents that tell a strange story about events in July of 1947. Are they historically true? Are the documents internally consistent? They are filled with names and dates that could be checked out against other historical documents that we know to be true. For example, is there any independent confirmation of the JFK/Roswell conection? Did Twining visit Roswell and Sandia on the dates mentioned in the IPU Report? Is there any independent confirmation that any of the Paperclip scientists were in New Mexico between July 4 and July 6th? Is there anything in the documents that is demonstrably false? And who, pray tell, would go throug all of the trouble to create such "fake" documents? Worthless to science? Perhaps. Wortheless to our historical understanding. Perhaps not.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Monday, October 05, 2015  

  • Roswell evidence points to an Aleister Crowley ritual on the same parallel line all across the world when Jack Parsons opened up a dimensional portal hole. It's well documented and goes deeper

    By Blogger James Page, at Friday, September 30, 2016  

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