UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, November 10, 2015

Unrefined extraterrestrials?

I’ve noted, a few times in the past, that if UFOs contain alien (extraterrestrial) visitors, those visitors are semi-barbaric, unrefined and lacking cultural aesthetics.

One of the reasons I’m hung up on Zamora’s Socorro “thing” is the symbol he saw – no matter which one.

That symbol indicates a hint of metaphoric sentience.

If the “thing” Zamora saw came from an Earthly construct (Hughes Aircraft/Toolco), the symbol is understandable.

If the “thing” Zamora saw is from outside the Earth, it’s an indication of a species with a sense of a linguistic taxonomy.

But this is one of only a few instances where UFOs (or flying saucers) show any sign of  an artistic or metaphorical reference.

UFOs usually portray a rough-hewn phenomenon or, if containing “beings,” a species devoid of refinement, reserve, or dignity.

The flight gyrations in such incidents as the Gorman dogfight [1948], the Coyne helicopter “assault” (1973), or the Iran episode (1976) show a willingness for UFO “occupants” to challenge, without cause, other craft in Earth’s airspace, something akin to outlaws invading the space of others and assuming the space is theirs for occupancy.

And in all the UFO landing events, as bizarre as they are, none reflects a species flush with decorum or refined behavior.

Aside from the silly antics in such incidents, there is a palpable indication of a psychotic, by human standards, mind-set.

Betty Hill’s bookish alien (with a “star map”) would bespeak a culture or species with a sense of intellectual acumen or aesthetic values, but since her and her husband’s “kidnapping” seems a mental contrivance rather than a real UFO/human contact event, one has to discount the “abduction” as imaginary, but it would have been nice to find, in her account, a semblance of an alien species with an iota of refinement and good taste, diminished, unfortunately by the alleged examination of Betty and Barney.

There are no UFO tales or sightings that tell us extraterrestrials come from a cultured civilization.

Even humans, as barbaric as they often are, leave evidence of a cultured civilization, even when some members are slaughtering others, as outlined in Homer’s opuses.

No, if aliens are visiting Earth, they re doing so like tourists visiting Yellowstone Park and mucking up the natural environment and ruining the vacations of more reserved visitors.

Yes, aliens, should they exist and are coming here, are as barbaric and crude as some humans, and not a species to get excited about.



  • Let's take your theme further. Archaeology discoveries show that early man made gradual advancements regarding the use of tools and weapons to aid with his increase chances of survival.

    We see man advancing from the use of his hands, to sticks, to stones, then to metals as a means for survival (providing of defense, hunting, farming, etc.)

    Where is there any credible evidence that early man made any unexpected technological leaps? This argument goes to those that propose that ET visited several millennia ago. If this was so, then I expect that there would be archaeological evidence that would show the transfer of technology bridging early man's developmental gaps.

    Would the gradual change from the use of stone to the use of bronze require the benevolence of ET?

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • Tim:

    Are we getting into Tsoukalos territory here?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • Wasn't my intentions, but merely a personal observation...

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • I like Tsoukalos actually, especially his hair.

    The AA view isn't anathema to me, just improbable if I hold to my "Earth is a backwater" view.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • The Space Brothers seemed nice.

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • Hahaha....yes. Don, they did.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 10, 2015  

  • It surprised me that speculation about life on other planets in the first half of the 20th century, referred to people or humans on other planets. Even War of the Worlds' Martians got transformed into "men" from Mars. So, thus Scully's little men, and the Space Brothers (and sisters, some of whom were very nice). Then the MiBs and then the mutilators and abductors, greys and reptilians. How and why that happened...has anyone studied that? Is there a paper on it?

    Best Regards,


    By Blogger Don, at Wednesday, November 11, 2015  

  • While I can't site any specific references per se, it's always been my impression those who believe that advanced extraterrestrial life is visiting our planet hold fast to the idea that the creatures have evolved to such a point they now transcend the need for culture of any kind.

    They seem to share no interest in our music, entertainment industry, science, language, literary or artistic history, government or unique cultural differences.

    Likewise abductees have never claimed to have heard synthesized alien music while they are being dissected, nor has any bobble-headed entity ever offered a glimps of their own version of Picasso, told a traditional Twain style off-world story, or even cooked a delectable Chang or Puck alien meal.

    If this is all we can expect from our own Darwinian evolution, like these aliens we have a very boring future to look forward to.

    Very boring indeed.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Wednesday, November 11, 2015  

  • Ok...re: my previous,

    Who, among those into ufos, directed our attention to the dark side?

    The Space Brothers were happy to take contactees on space tours of their cities on Saturn and such, and talk about their government, and their philosophy. So, they had a culture, of course, superior to ours. They were affable, I guess, although rather nagging and smug. But they weren't Dero.

    We may be amused by the contactees, but I think they were reflecting a kind of commonplace notion of the American people that beings from other planets would be "people", "humans", different but still the same.



    By Blogger Don, at Thursday, November 12, 2015  

  • Indeed!

    Every aspect of the "UFO" myth and delusion is "marked by a failure of the imagination and a preoccupation with human concerns."

    It's for very good reason that most science-fiction visions of the our future, aliens and their spacecraft, and their either dying or sterile perfect worlds are most often white, blank, silent, without ornamentation or much detail of any kind. Betty's book and Lonnie's insignia being two all too earthly exceptions.

    Like the Contactees, victims of alien abduction syndrome report that the ET--whether from nearby planets or distant stars--are concerned with our biological and environmental welfare, our cosmic health and wholeness. In nearly every case I've read, the purported abductees report that they are shown images of ecological and nuclear disasters with a stern warning to transcend our base nature or face the consequences. That fact that theophany and ego death are critical elements of mythic narratives was unknown to most new-age Contactees become Abductees, but--as did Ed Mitchell looking at Earth from the Moon--they experience it just the same.

    Even during the great Airship mania of 1896-97, the pilots of the Airships were either wizard inventors, naval airmen, or visitors from other worlds--both human appearing and humanoid--but nothing even so alien as a squid or a butterfly. From the very start, all too human concerns for our future, of war, ecology, biology and spirituality dominated "UFO" stories--nothing truly alien.

    (Now let's hear the "ET insect" and "ET jellyfish" stories!)

    Here's a good "Martians in Airship Attempt Abduction" story from 1896!


    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, November 12, 2015  

  • If it wasn't clear already, Don, let me help you out: It was all there all along.

    See that "Martians in Airship Attempt Abduction" story from 1896?

    The ETH, both evil and benevolent, and the ATH (advanced technology), evil and benevolent--the horror of aerial war machines and the wonder of flight and spaceflight--existed during the great Airship mania of 1896-97.

    It was ready-made, preexisting in popular science-fiction literature. Contrary to the suggestion that there has been some development or evolution of ideas in this subject, there hasn't, not much, it's far too simple for that.

    Most if not all of the Shaver mystery--become Arnold and Roswell much later--had already been around since the 1890s and the advent of the Modern Age in Robida, Verne and Wells--and it was all extremely popular. Robida illustrated his own serialized novels of the future and future wars with airships and "flying saucers." And as evidenced here recently, fully developed "flying saucers" powered by Tesla broadcast electricity, both earthly and alien, were featured on many Hugo Gernsbach magazine covers soon after and for decades before Arnold.

    It didn't begin in 1947, far from it. There were Martians and Venusians in Airship stories, but the ETH only surpassed the ATH in 1950 as the most popular explanation for "UFO" reports.

    And an example of how so very over and done ufoology and this entire subject is in 2015 is the nonfalsifiable "Interdimensional hypothesis" of Vallee from the 1970s! It's worthless, but its neuron-tingling appeal to his fanboys is high, which translates into book sales.

    I think it was thrown up to counter the thoughtful, interesting and difficult--but ultimately unnecessary--Jungian "Psychic projection hypothesis" of the 1960s.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, November 12, 2015  

  • Zoam: "If it wasn't clear already, Don, let me help you out: It was all there all along."

    I didn't know your previous was in response to me.

    There all along. Sure. You can't have one without the other. I was asking about the contemporary situation in which there appears to have been a common sentiment in the US that beings from other planets are "people" or "humans". Quotation marks because I am quoting texts from the 1940s. We also have the transformation of Wells' Martians into "men" as in 'men from Mars' with a reference to Wells included. In 1947 we have Hal Boyle's Martian, as well. Even the 'little green men' are men.

    I don't think I wrote about a development or evolution. I asked "who directed our attention to the dark side", and in a comment previous to that the connection is simply first one thing, then something different. What's up with that?

    As for 'who' maybe Palmer, Shaver, Barker, Bender, but I'm no expert, so I asked.

    It goes like this: once upon a time it was a commonplace in the US to refer to beings on other planets as people or humans, so much so that they converted an octopus-like critter into a man (Wells). Why it happened that way, I don't know, but it did. Then it changes. The question is what happened to people, not whether there has always been a bright side and a dark side. One can't exist without the other.



    By Blogger Don, at Thursday, November 12, 2015  

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