UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, December 03, 2015

Hallucinations and Reality: The UFO Connection

As most of you know, I’ve viewed flying saucer/UFO accounts where entities have allegedly been encountered as hallucinatory.

That doesn’t mean I think the episodes were imaginary. I’ve always thought and noted that schizophrenics and psychotics may be perceiving a “reality” that the “normal” among us doesn’t have access to.

(I’m dealing with this at one of my other blogs.)

In my current fixation on UFOs as probes by artificial intelligences, I can see how Spanish researcher Jose Caravaca (and persons such a Jacques Vallee) offer that UFOs present an “external agent” (in Jose’s hypothesis) or a “control system” (Vallee’s offering).

But let me suggest that if UFOs are artificial intelligences, in toto, perhaps they create the scenarios that Jose and Mr. Vallee see as the product of confrontation with humans.
That is, UFOs offer presentations to humans when they come in contact with humans, presentations that provide a non-technological intercourse to determine reactive states or to control the situation in ways that are amenable to the biological constructs they (the artificial intelligent agents) stumble upon or seek out (for whatever reason).
Some of us (Tim Hebert for instance and me) see the events as hallucinatory and they are but that doesn’t mean they are unreal.
A raft of papers, which I’ll put online here and elsewhere, will show that the perception of things and events by the maligned among us, mentally disturbed (psychotics and schizophrenics), may be as “real” as that which we, who think we’re normal, perceive.

That technological intelligence could manipulate human minds and sensory data is a matter of study, outside the artificial intelligence topic, by Persinger and others.
Of course, there is psychological and neurological malfeasances that are totally oriented around mental mischief, but I contend that normal folks who’ve see or interacted with UFO entities may have been played with by artificial intelligent probes, to what end is open in my mind.
The matter is flummoxed by the “we are a computer simulation” from Bostrom and others currently in vogue.

But setting that aside, to keep the topic here constrained, what if UFOs are technological “robots” with sentience, either implanted or self-created by AI that has evolved to the point where they are the Singularity that Bostrom presents and I seem to be adopting?

This simplifies the UFO enigma for me, but what’s your take?

RR

18 Comments:

  • No takers? Hm.

    I would suggest your idea is a valid speculation on how intelligent agents might explore beyond their home world. However, I don't see any warrant to associate the idea with the UFO phenomena of our own planet.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • I'm proposing that we look to see if intelligent agents may account for UFO encounters.

    Unfortunately, getting visitors here to think outside the box is daunting and a problem endemic to ufology as Peter Sturrock makes clear in his book "Late night Thoughts About Science."

    I find UFO buffs to be devoid of creative thinking, generally.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • I would agree that some buffs may resist your idea because they are deeply invested in the notion of flesh and blood aliens visiting Earth. But you must overcome a profound barrier: demonstrating that these phenomena are intelligently controlled (regardless of what exactly is the control). There is no positive evidence of intelligent control, at least not yet.

    But we'll see what helpful cases you find.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • Geez, Terry...

    There are a plethora of encounters and accounts which indicate a machine-like intelligence, maybe not an emotional human or flesh and blood reaction of an imagined alien species, but "behavior" that bespeaks intelligence of an AI kind, if you're following the topic.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • I said "demonstrating that these phenomena are intelligently controlled," not merely alleging that they are so.

    It will be tricky. But I'm sure you'll come up with some good criteria. Most proponents are content with a negative criterion: "nothing we got can do that!"

    You will elevate the conversation, I have no doubt.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • BTW, I finally watched Forbidden Planet last night. It was better than I'd hoped. I've never been a scifi fan but I bought my godson a Robbie the Robot figurine for Christmas, so now was the time.

    I'll have to go back and read all your Krell-inspired posts.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • Thank you Terry....

    I';m looking for past sightings/encounters that mimic activity that would be something like an evolved driverless car for example.

    The Michalak encounter is one (although Zoam Chomsky insists that tale is a hoax or confabulation) and the Robert Taylor event (although Tim Hebert, and me initially put it in the epileptic seizure category or neurological episode).

    The Taylor "craft" could be imagined as an AI probe, as I see it, but those damn torn trousers of his could have come not from the probe but his accompanying dog that tried to awaken his epileptic master. That leaves the ruts in the ground.

    My point is that each encounter or flight sighting must we weighed inside a perspective of machinery or technology with AI abilities, abilities that have evolved along the lines suggested by Nick Bostrom and others.

    If you end up getting the Rosales book, you'll find (among the bad and the worse) a few encounters (among the very many) that have scenarios one can push into the AI category.

    The Aubeck/Shough book may also allow some configurations one might see as AI.....once you get beyond the boring initial details of the first few listings the guys start the book with.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • Yah, Terry...

    The Krell Id impulses fascinate and can be transposed to the evolved transmogrification that Bernal suggested (and noted in another posting here).

    I like the idea of a (Freudian) sub-conscious fused community-oriented id that brings about primitive impulses. (It almost explains the Nazi bestialities that brought about The Holocaust and other horrors.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 13, 2015  

  • "I finally watched Forbidden Planet last night."

    Pulp space science-fiction come to life in 1956; the Tempest in outer space; the primacy of matter over thought; and the triumph of physical sciences, open inquiry, self sacrifice and democratic society over the hermetic worthless pseudosciences.

    Great Stuff!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • "a valid speculation on how intelligent agents might explore beyond their home world."

    Yes, but Von Neumann probes is an idea as old as the Fermi paradox, and it is just these Von Neumann probes that Bostrom says only superintelligences might create. He didn't invent the idea.

    "I don't see any warrant to associate the idea with the UFO phenomena of our own planet."

    I've told Rich already, a spacecraft, piloted or not, is still a spacecraft--and there is no veracious evidence of spacecraft visiting the Earth.

    From Rich's own youtube clip of COSMOS: "There are reports of such things, but never the things themselves."

    That Rich can imagine a "AI" trend in the catalogue of "UFO" reports is to his credit, even if the mechanical nature of nuts-and-bolts "flying saucer" reports is a given, and some early reports feature "mechanical man" like crews.

    But just because we can spot a trend in tens of thousands of stories doesn't mean it's real, or any more true than the rest of the stories, they're all products of the human imagination.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • Zoam...

    You're such a realist.

    Those of us who spend time in the ether of our minds speculate on the possible (not the probable necessarily) but you bring us back to reality.

    Shame on you!

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • "The Michalak encounter is one (although Zoam Chomsky insists that tale is a hoax or confabulation) and the Robert Taylor event (although Tim Hebert, and me initially put it in the epileptic seizure category or neurological episode)."

    Even the trooper who first encountered Michalak and filed his report didn't take him seriously or believe a word of his story; multiple fire tower rangers said they saw nothing unusual--and certainly nothing like two glowing red "flying saucers!"

    One "saucer" turned metallic gray when it landed said Michalak, and it had a ring of rotating, strobing colored lights separating the cupola from the "saucer" body.
    Michalek drew several pictures of it, until he finally produced one that looked very much like the "flying saucers" featured in the Invaders television show that was airing at the time. (Call it the "Barney Hill Factor" of "UFO" reports!)

    Same goes for the Robert Taylor story, though the match is not as close, there was a spherical robotic device of some sort on an episode of Dr Who that Taylor might have seen. And I believe the robotic Daleks are a constant feature of that show, as are visuals like fish-eye distortions into the field of view and the iris effect.

    There's also the poison berries and/or drunk and water tank misadventure theory that's a much more plausible explanation to Taylor's wild story than visiting ET spacecraft--whether it's superintelligent "AI" or plain biologically controlled.

    The "AI" hypothesis for "UFO" reports is a perfectly legitimate speculation that does seem a good match for some stories--stories from the human imagination, but in the absence of evidence, it's no better than several other very similar utterly non-falsifiable and unnecessary "UFO" hypotheses: Hynek and Vallee's interdimensional; Keel's ultraterrestrial; Toonies' cryptoterrestrial; Owen's psychic intelligences.

    But let's call it your baby, Rich, and that makes it special.

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • LOL!

    I love ya, man!

    And a special hello to my good friend Tim Hebert! Love yoo too, man!

    Merry Christmas to All!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • Thank you Zoam...

    You make my lunacy a little easier to tolerate.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • And a Merry Christmas to you buddy...

    I think Santa will be putting a lump of memory metal in your stocking.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • I'm wishing for an unambiguously legible copy of the Ramey memo from the magical mystery computer imaging manipulations of Santa Lance Moody, Isaac Koi and team.

    Just so we can know what it does NOT say!

    But memory metal and balsa wood sticks with colored hieroglyphic tape would be nice. Thanks Santa Rich!

    By Blogger zoamchomsky, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • I bet all your wishes are granted Zoamy...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 17, 2015  

  • Merry Christmas Zoam and Rich. Sorry, I've not been participating as much due to working my ass off for the holidays! ET refuses to help with the mortgage...damn him/her/it.

    Put up the tree last night. Me and my three dachshunds listenting to Handel's "Messiah." Uplifting everytime I listen to it.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Friday, December 18, 2015  

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