UFO Conjecture(s)

Thursday, January 07, 2016

The Iron Skeptic: "Zoam Chomsky"

Rummaging around the internet, looking for UFO inspiration, to help create a posting here, I stumbled (again) on Zoam Chomsky's web-site:

http://www.theironskeptic.com

Then I bumped into Paul Kimball's take on The Iron Skeptic (in 2005) with a few comments by me and some by others about Zoam (Aaron Sakulich).

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2005/11/open-letter-to-iron-skeptic.html

I liked Zoam (Aaron) then, and like him still.

His views are palpably intellectual, although I think my friend, Paul Kimball, might disagree.

Anyway, for those of you, with open-minds, take a look at Zoam's (Aaron's) observations and Paul's counter arguments (and challenge).

You will be entertained, at least.

RR

12 Comments:

  • Some years ago I asked Zoam if he had ever visited the village of Portmeirion, in Wales. He did not reply. I asked him this because his blog photo closely resembles (maybe really is) that of the TV & film star Patrick McGoohan. I once visited Portmeirion and saw a photo of McGoohan in a shop window, the caption saying that parts of one episode of either his "Danger Man" or "The Prisoner" series had been filmed there. Naturally the little village was very honored to have hosted a TV episode.

    I had hoped Zoam might give his identity away, but he did not. Unless he had indeed been there, the chances that he had ever heard of Portmeirion are close to zero.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 07, 2016  

  • But we've all known Zoam's real identity, for some time.

    Known or unknown, ya gotta love the guy. He's a "disrupter" of a significant kind.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 07, 2016  

  • The entire Prisoner series (for the most part) was filmed at Portmeirion. It is essentially a character in the show and fans, like me, know the name well.

    Lance

    By Blogger Lance, at Thursday, January 07, 2016  

  • Ahh, the good old days of the cut, thrust and parry of arguing with both believers and debunkers.

    Don't miss it a bit...

    PK

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Thursday, January 07, 2016  

  • A most enjoyable lengthy read tonight, thanks RR.

    Paul, you may not miss it but I hope you smile when you look back at it. I sure did while reading it. My very best regards to you.

    BD

    By Blogger Bryan Daum, at Friday, January 08, 2016  

  • Looks like an excellent read. I'll need to dig deeper.

    By Blogger Brian Bell, at Tuesday, January 12, 2016  

  • From Paul's 2005 post:
    > Sakulich: To those of you who read this, I challenge you to a public debate
    > Kimball: Done.
    > The format?
    > Cross-examination rules

    Oh! Sign me up for the pay-per-view!

    Just last night I suggested such a format for the upcoming Roswell debate between Don Schmitt and Mark O'Connell.

    (Psi-lovers, I did not channel this idea from Paul. And a 10-year lag in psychic reception would be unimpressive anyway. I happened to be reading a book on cross-examination yesterday while prepping a friend for a child custody "discussion" -- which went very well, and so I billed her for one coffee porter. Yum!)

    Anyway, I substantially agree with Paul. Though Zoam and I are equally compelled by the UFO evidence (which means not at all), I have argued several times with Zoam about his paradoxical and sometimes cartoonish "skeptical certainty." Also unproductive is a cranky tendency to respond to most discussions about specific topics with an irrelevent and overbroad diatribe about UFOs.

    Zoam's contributions tend to be useless, except for entertainment purposes. But some of us are not amused.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

  • At least Terry, Zoam's responses are usually timely. He's not late to the game.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

  • At least Terry, Zoam's responses are usually timely. He's not late to the game.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

  • That's because his responses don't require thought: he merely repeats.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

  • But ya gotta love his chutzpah, right?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

  • Chutzpah and intemperate dogmatism are not the same.

    Don't get me wrong: I am a smartass and I do love sarcasm and mockery -- but it has to be a fit. (Hynek is wrong and Socrates is right: ridicule can be a scientific process when it is used to test the reasoning behind claims. And I'm sure Paul Kimball knows of examples from the examination of witnesses in court.)

    If people respect facts and argue in good faith, I'll try my best to respond in kind, or just let them be.

    Am I being too moralistic for ufology, which I contend is just a form of entertainment? Maybe. But we all are people too, at the end of the day.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Monday, January 25, 2016  

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