UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, January 13, 2016

UFOs and the “criminal” element

I keep being struck by how many shady people have UFO experiences, not that “good people” don’t have UFO experiences but it’s the somewhat compromised among us who have the really spectacular experiences.

I could name those in the current UFO community who fit the bill, but let me stick with those whom one can find in UFO lore (or related areas).

The Elizabethan polymath John Dee, who consorted with actual criminal types, had a plethora of UFO-like experiences, one recounted in David Richie’s litany of UFO sightings and events [UFO: The Definitive Guide to Unidentified Flying Objects and related Phenomena, MJF Books, NY, 1994, Page 63]:
Dee along with Edward Kelly, a thief, were visiting a vineyard and came upon what they thought was a gardener, the “gardener” turning out to be an entity, moving about in a small “fiery cloud” taking Dee and Kelly to a furnace from which the entity produced several books (which Dee used, apparently, for his occult studies and activity that kept him in good stead with England’s Queen Elizabeth I).

This event in the late 1500s mimics the later experience of Joseph Smith who recovered, allegedly, from an angel (Moroni) a book of “golden plates” that became the Mormon Holy Book.
As early as the 18th century, people like Emanuel Swedenborg were claiming to be in psychic contact with inhabitants of other planets. 1758 saw the publication of Concerning Earths in the Solar System, in which Swedenborg detailed his alleged journeys to the inhabited planets. [Wikipedia]
But in a more recent era we have Albert Bender, the progenitor of the Men in Black idea, promoted by Gray Barker, Bender’s experiences also with a religious/occult patina. [op. cit., Page 27 ff.]

Bender saw and entered flying saucers he declared and once met a handsome [sic], nine-foot-tall humanoid.

And we have Adamski, of course, and other contactees (Daniel Fry, Truman Bethurum, Orfeo Angelucci, Howard Menger, Billy Meier, et al. (which you can find detailed material about in Nick Redfern’s book, Contactees.)

Of course, one will tap such men, as those above, particularly, as con men, and they were…which is my point, even if their experiences were actual. (I kid)

Some of the UFO accounts, as many of you know, have elements of what some call demonology, and religious trappings always intrude, allegorically or overtly.

The mythical or Biblical accounts of seeming UFO or entity encounters obviously have religious overtones, and those recounting such things are usually (always?) encased in somewhat compromising endeavors or lives (the Hebrew prophets among them).

What compels such people to see UFOs or recount UFO events?

Do malevolent forces accrue to them or do they provoke their “experiences” in a need to prevaricate (because they are deranged or neurologically imbalanced)?

Who can say? All we have are “remarkable” stories, often stranger than fiction.

(By the way, in the current and recent UFO communities reside persons, unnamed here, who are just as wayward or ethically challenged as those noted above. But they are usually kept in check by skeptics, not debunkers who are as equally demented as UFO believers. UFOs bring out the worst in people, usually and often.)

RR

4 Comments:

  • There was more recently a certain T.Lobsang Rampa who masqueraded for many years as a Tibetan Lama (with a third eye!) and wrote about all sorts of strange experiences he underwent. He even placed a map of Lhasa in his books. In fact he had a very English name (Cyril Hoskins) and was actually the son of a plumber from Devon, UK. He had never visited Tibet! I believe he died in Canada in the 1980s, having fled there to escape his critics.

    At some point he did undergo some kind of 'conversion', but I recall readers remembering him both before and after this conversion. He had been keen on mysticism from an early age. UFOs crept into his writings, so I believe.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 14, 2016  

  • I remember the Lobsang Rampa episode(s).

    There are so many con artists out there, many in ufology, that one is over whelmed by the listing.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 14, 2016  

  • ``What compels such people to see UFOs or recount UFO events?``

    Some cognitive scientists have said that the underlying fundamental 'operating system' in human brains is one of analogy or pattern recognition. Perhaps another way of asking a similar question would be: What is responsible for the patterns that these people claim to have seen or otherwise experienced?

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Saturday, January 16, 2016  

  • ``ACSJ: Dr. Richard Carrier - Did Jesus Even Exist? A Historian Questions the Evidence``
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyudP5z2Xw

    Dr. Carrier brings up a good point at the end of the lecture around the 1:24:30 mark in the video. Which Christians are delusional and which ones are lying -- and how do we tell them apart? Because they almost look identical. You either have to catch them sincerely saying something nutty, or you have to catch them lying. And sometimes it is a little of both, of course.

    He goes on to mention something else that I think goes to your larger issue about 'What compels such people...' Namely: "Lying about Jesus is okay, so long as you get people to Jesus" or some are making it up because "They think people need to become Christians or all society will go to hell...People will 'rave across the earth and start skeet-shooting kittens' without a little lie to keep them in line.

    I think it's clear how this relates to at least some fraction of the UFO stories that are of concern to you.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Saturday, January 16, 2016  

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